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ID: Moscow Restaurant Encourages Open Carry of Guns
Gun Watch ^ | 22 June, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 06/24/2014 6:16:41 PM PDT by marktwain


In Moscow, Idaho, a restaurant offers a discount to people who openly carry firearms.

In the vast majority of states, openly carried firearms are legal.   The right to open carry has been used in a number of states to push for the passage of "shall issue" laws to allow people to legally carry firearms concealed.  Virginia, Ohio, and Wisconsin are states that readily come to mind.  Texans are currently  using the legal open carry of rifles, guaranteed in their State Constitution, to push for the legal open carry of handguns.  Arizonans used the right to open carry to remove illegal regulation.  Guam had open carry before they passed a "shall issue" law this year.  The strategy  has generally worked. 



41 states and a territory have "shall issue" statutes, eight states have "may issue" laws, which allow local authorities to deny carry permits without clearly stated reasons; 1 state, Vermont does not require a permit to carry a gun and does not issue one.  Four of the "shall issue" states do not require permits, but issue them for reasons of reciprocity and special circumstances.   There are currently 45 states in which the open carry of modern, holstered pistols is generally legal, as it has been in most of nation for most of its history.  The one state that restricted open carry further, California,  has become the location of a federal court decision that states that if you restrict open carry, then you must, at minimum, have a "shall issue" concealed carry policy.  California is a weird outlier, as it is one of only six states that have no state constitutional protection for the right to keep and bear arms.

Restoration of the right to carry firearms has been met with fierce opposition in the old media.   The argument has always been that there will be "blood in the streets" and a return to "the wild, wild, west".  It never happens.  The west referred to was mostly a fiction created by the media starting with dime novels, then moving to the movie theater and then television.  The wild west was more peaceful than modern urban centers, which have become the modern frontier

Private establishments have always had the right to bar customers from carrying arms on their property, a right that was usurped by the government in many states.  When the general right to bear arms is restored, many store owners are exhorted by the media to ban the carry of arms on their premises.  In some locations, the local governments applied some persuasion to this end, even buying "no guns" signs to "give" to store owners to "assist" them in making the decision.   After the stores start losing customers, and are told why, the signs come down

Some establishments have discovered what has long been established by various studies: gun owners tend to be better educated and more prosperous than the general public.   Crime rates tend to drop with an increase in citizens carrying legal guns.   Some of these establishments have put these facts together and come to the obvious conclusion:  It is a good idea to attract gun carriers as customers.  The value is clear.  Not only does the store or restaurant gain business, it gains a considerable increase in security for almost no cost.   Everyone understands why police bars, donut shops, and gun shops are seldom the targets of armed robberies: criminals do not wish to be shot.

Here is the notice From cdssmokepit.com, located in Moscow:  
Do you offer an open carry discount?
Yes.  Since opening in 2010 we have offered a 10% discount if you open carry a handgun.  Before we opened up, we knew we wanted to offer this as an incentive to folks who carry guns.  We wanted to offer this friendly invitation to fellow members of the firearms community since not all businesses are always ‘carry friendly’.  While it may turn some heads and has sparked some interesting conversations, it has also brought CD’s a variety of very cool, very friendly regular customers. Don’t worry – all of our gun-toting fans display responsibility and safety! If you’re ever in & would like to know more about this policy or firearms related information in general, feel free to ask!

CD's Smoke Pit has hit on a business model that appears to be working well.  Other establishments have welcomed legal firearms owners, CD's goes further by working to attract them.   I suspect that we will see more of this strategy in the future.

©2014 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice is included.
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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; id; moscow; opencarry
Some other businesses have worked to attract armed citizens, I forget names at the moment.
1 posted on 06/24/2014 6:16:41 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Can assure you this place will not get robbed often. ;-)


2 posted on 06/24/2014 6:18:21 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: marktwain
It's my favorite barbecue place and the story is absolutely true. It's also so popular at lunch time on Friday that you can't sit down. On the wall is the Gadsden flag, a framed copy of the Declaration of Independence, and a display case with cartridges dating back to the Civil War. On the ceiling are flags from all the armed services. The condiment-and-napkin dispensers are ammo cans.

It's a sort of subtle message, actually. ;-)

3 posted on 06/24/2014 6:23:20 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: marktwain

That’s the America I know.


4 posted on 06/24/2014 6:24:11 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: marktwain

If businesses do not want people to carry firearms on their premises, then they would ask people not to do so. Clearly, most businesses welcome gun owners. (As for those who don’t, I wonder if the government should require businesses to allow open carry. The government does have an incentive to promote the general welfare, and if the business owners are too stupid to see the benefits of open carry, then the government can force them to see the light at little to no cost to the taxpayer.)

I am positive that Democrats and RINOs work to ban open carry laws precisely because they want businesses to fail, patrons to get shot, and business owners to have no protection against Federal thugs who want to seize property.


5 posted on 06/24/2014 6:33:54 PM PDT by Objective Scrutator (All liberals are criminals, and all criminals are liberals)
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To: marktwain

Now that’s the way to build a business!


6 posted on 06/24/2014 6:57:52 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: marktwain

How much of a discount can a Muzzie receive if he brings in an Obama-given MANPADS complete with missile borrowed from his uncle Achmed who is a member of ISIS?


7 posted on 06/24/2014 8:45:13 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Billthedrill
This place sounds great and I'll visit on my next road trip (assuming the laws allow furriners to carry there). ;-)

But it looks like they also serve lots of cheap beer:

Do you really serve Penny Pitchers on Vandal home games?

Yes we do — until 2:00 or the kegs blow! If you’re 21 or older, can handle a wall-to-wall crowd & are willing to be responsibly Nasty and Inebriated, this is the special for you! We gather up a few kegs of Pabst and open up at 10:00 am to serve our delicious breakfast sandwiches with homemade grits. We don’t have many strict rules around The Smoke Pit; however, you must buy food if you want to drink for $0.01 — even if you’re sharing a pitcher among friends or keeping it to yourself.

Just curious - how does this work with the open carry? Is it legal to drink while you're carrying in Idaho?

8 posted on 06/24/2014 9:07:43 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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Ah, some explanation is in order - those are Game Day parties - not much in the way of firearms to be found then because the attendees are headed to the football game and you can't carry on campus. (This will change on 1 July for those holding Idaho Enhanced CCW's but for everyone else, it's a no-no). "Nasty and Inebriated" refers to a comment the president of Boise State University made concerning the Vandal fans. It's become a slogan at the U of I. Apparently they have a university with a football team down in Boise, or so we are told.

In answer to your question I don't believe it's legal to carry where the establishment is a bar, i.e. where you have to be 21 to get in. Not the case here.

9 posted on 06/25/2014 12:23:45 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: MV=PY
Just curious - how does this work with the open carry? Is it legal to drink while you're carrying in Idaho?

Might be. It is in Mississippi.

10 posted on 06/25/2014 12:23:50 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate)
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