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School Principals Use Police Against Parents with Gun Permits
Gun Watch ^ | 25 June, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 06/25/2014 7:42:58 AM PDT by marktwain


Two principals in widely separated states tried to use police against parents with gun permits.   Both principals ended up on the losing side, when the parents refused to fold, and took them to court.  In the most recent case, the principal at Stratton Elementary School in Massachusetts contacted police after the father showed the principal his gun permit.   The father had come to talk to the principal about a drawing the son had made.  From whdh.com:

The principal said the boy had drawn a phallic symbol, but 40-year-old Robert Goodwin said his son had actually drawn a gun similar to one he’d seen in ‘Despicable Me.’

Goodwin then reportedly took out his gun permit and the principal notified police.
The police charge Goodwin with threatening the principal, suspended his gun permit, and confiscated a rifle from his home:
Officers later went to his home where they took away a hunting rifle; his gun license has also been suspended.
Under oath, the principal admitted that he did not feel threatened, and the charges were dropped.   There is no mention of whether the rifle was returned or the gun permit restored.
When questioned under oath, the principal told a clerk magistrate he did not feel threatened.
By itself, this is an interesting story:  A principal using the police to harass a gun owner.   It reminded me of another story out of Georgia that had a similar theme.  In it, the principal had contacted the police to ban the parent from school because she had a picture of her carry permit on her facebook page.   From ljreview.com:

In what I’d call a severe case of overreacting, Army veteran Tanya Mount was banned from her disabled daughter’s elementary school after she posted a photo of her concealed weapons permit online.
The mother, who often volunteered at the school, said she was approached by a police officer near campus one day and warned that Principal Janina Dallas had filed a “no trespass order” against Mount.
Tanya Mount transferred her daughter to a different school.   The principal later claimed that the permit was not the reason for banning Ms. Mount from the school.   A settlement was reached in which the school paid $1,000 and legal fees, according to wrdw.com:
 Tanya Mount said she'll receive $1,000 and an undisclosed amount for legal expenses.
Taken separately, these two cases might be dismissed as odd incidents.  Together they reinforce the idea of schools as intolerant, politically correct bastions of citizen disarmament orthodoxy.   How many of these cases exist, where the victim with the permit did not have the courage or wherewithal to fight the system in the courts?  How many of these cases never make the news, because most police have more sense?  I would appreciate any information about other cases.


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TOPICS: Education; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunpermit; homeschool; police; school
Was there another case in Michigan where a parent was harassed for having a gun permit? My memory is not as good as it once was.
1 posted on 06/25/2014 7:42:58 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

People who don’t homeschool are like people who vacation in Mexico. Wake up!


2 posted on 06/25/2014 7:49:46 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: marktwain

This is one of many reasons why you shouldn’t advertise you carry or have a carry permit. Keep it to yourself if for no other reason than that it’s always a big advantage to have surprise on your side.


3 posted on 06/25/2014 7:56:33 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: marktwain

If I had a dime for every time a drew a phallic symbol, I’d have a whole lot of dimes.


4 posted on 06/25/2014 8:01:15 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: marktwain

i am sorry but, why in the world does anybody other than liberals who cannot afford private school send their children to government school? for the life of me, i do not get it... i do not know if those parents with gun permits in this story are conservative, but if they are—well, you send your kids to government school, you have to deal with government employees... and most of them are against the very things you are for...


5 posted on 06/25/2014 8:02:57 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: circlecity
This is one of many reasons why you shouldn’t advertise you carry or have a carry permit. Keep it to yourself if for no other reason than that it’s always a big advantage to have surprise on your side.

i agree... i do not want anyone to know whether or not i have firearms... if i have one, i do not want anyone to know... if i do not have one, i do not want anyone to know...

6 posted on 06/25/2014 8:05:05 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: circlecity
This is one of many reasons why you shouldn’t advertise you carry or have a carry permit. Keep it to yourself if for no other reason than that it’s always a big advantage to have surprise on your side.

i agree... i do not want anyone to know whether or not i have firearms... if i have one, i do not want anyone to know... if i do not have one, i do not want anyone to know...

7 posted on 06/25/2014 8:05:06 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: circlecity

plus—the parent is crazy to have her FB so public that the school principal can access her wall...


8 posted on 06/25/2014 8:07:07 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: circlecity

Keep it to yourself if for no other reason than that it’s always a big advantage to have surprise on your side.


Like George Zimmerman did.

OTOH, I’ll bet the guy that ended up dead in a theater would not have thrown popcorn on the guy if he had known he was carrying.

An armed society is a polite society.


9 posted on 06/25/2014 8:08:42 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: marktwain
"schools as intolerant, politically correct bastions of citizen disarmament orthodoxy."

Bears repeating.

10 posted on 06/25/2014 8:10:02 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: circlecity
...you shouldn’t advertise you carry or have a carry permit. Keep it to yourself if for no other reason than that it’s always a big advantage to have surprise on your side.

I know, right? It's like the abused female who shouts, "I'm leaving you!" to her abuser, and then gets beaten or shot.

11 posted on 06/25/2014 8:11:19 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: demshateGod

Yes, homeschool or put your kid in private school. The public school system is a cesspool.


12 posted on 06/25/2014 8:12:32 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: cuban leaf

I live in Oklahoma, where we have open carry. My first thought in considering whether or not to throw popcorn on someone open carrying isn’t whether or not he’ll shoot me. That’s not about “politeness.”


13 posted on 06/25/2014 8:25:45 AM PDT by cizinec ( For the Republic!)
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To: marktwain

This is my rifle, this is my gun; one is for killing, the other is for fun.


14 posted on 06/25/2014 8:27:20 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: marktwain

Aren’t all guns phallic symbols?


15 posted on 06/25/2014 8:28:23 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: cizinec

My first thought in considering whether or not to throw popcorn on someone open carrying isn’t whether or not he’ll shoot me. That’s not about “politeness.”


Actually, I think it is. It’s how MAD worked (Mutual Assured Destruction). The reason we have not had WWIII yet is the fear of it going nuclear. When you’re facing a guy you never met and he’s asking you to do something regarding your use of your cell phone, you are actually less likely to throw popcorn on him if you see an open carry sidearm on him. You don’t want to escalate the situation.

And not throwing popcorn is more polite than throwing popcorn. So the overt presence of a gun reduces (but doesn’t eliminate, if you have brass ones) the amount of impolite behavior.

FWIW, this is one reason I KNOW George Zimmerman didn’t start the physical stuff with Martin. The guy without a gun is the guy who escelates physically. And that is impolite.


16 posted on 06/25/2014 8:43:15 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cizinec
My first thought in considering whether or not to throw popcorn on someone open carrying isn’t whether or not he’ll shoot me.

In that situation... hard to imagine, but I'm trying here... my first thought would be "What am I, some kind of moron?" and I discard the impulse out of hand.

17 posted on 06/25/2014 8:44:01 AM PDT by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: latina4dubya

I instructed my son to let me know the instant anyone at his school asks him if we have firearms. Or anything else for that matter.


18 posted on 06/25/2014 8:50:04 AM PDT by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: marktwain

Fascist bastards.


19 posted on 06/25/2014 9:26:27 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: marktwain
Stratton Principal: Michael Hanna

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20 posted on 06/25/2014 11:11:39 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: latina4dubya

When both parents work it’s not easy to pull them out.


21 posted on 06/25/2014 11:39:00 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: latina4dubya

No Facebook for me, no how, no way, and.....no problems.


22 posted on 06/25/2014 11:40:45 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: circlecity
This blue ribbon is for you.
23 posted on 06/25/2014 11:44:51 AM PDT by Holdem Or Foldem (Life isn't fair, so wear a cup.)
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To: cornelis
When both parents work it’s not easy to pull them out.

i know this firsthand... i work, and my husband works... there was 13 years when only he worked... you are right--it is not easy... whether one parent is working or both are working... in both cases, it takes sacrifice... major sacrifice...

24 posted on 06/25/2014 12:06:15 PM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: marktwain

Homeschool.


25 posted on 06/25/2014 12:23:13 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: marktwain

Showing a gun permit to a liberal can only be interpreted one way; it is a THREAT!


26 posted on 06/25/2014 12:38:06 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: latina4dubya

There is a movement, gaining strength, to either turn private schools into public schools or just out and out ban them.

For the good of the neighborhood you know.


27 posted on 06/26/2014 12:35:01 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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