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From His Cold Dead Hands: When Should Grandpa Give Up His Guns?
NBC News ^ | July 5, 2014 | Bill Briggs

Posted on 07/05/2014 9:31:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Many Baby Boomers already dread “the talk” –- suggesting their aging parents surrender car keys –- but now two geriatric experts say another thorny, family question must be asked of some elderly folks.

Is it time to give up your gun?

In a recently published paper, the two physicians offer a five-point checklist meant to help caregivers assess whether firearms remain safe in the hands and homes of older Americans, particularly if the gun owners are exhibiting unclear thinking or depression.

“Just like with some (older) people, it’s not if you should stop driving, but when,” said Dr. Ellen M. Pinholt, a co-author and former chief of geriatric medicine at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center. “If we find some dementia present in a patient, it can be about when to lock up the weapon or whether we have the family take it away.

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“But nothing else has really been out there to help families to begin that conversation,” added Pinholt, a retired Army colonel who practices medicine in Rapid City, South Dakota. Her recommendations were informed by past home-health visits, including: one grandparent who kept a loaded handgun under a bed, a 97-year-old woman who didn’t know how to unload her weapon, and an older firearm owner who appeared confused....

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: aging; agism; alzheimers; banglist; basichumanrights; colddeadhands; dementia; elderly; guncontrol; hereitcomes; liberalagenda; selfprotection
Always trying.
1 posted on 07/05/2014 9:31:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just a matter of time before this “exam” becomes part of the ObamaCare protocol.
2 posted on 07/05/2014 9:37:27 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How many incidents involving aged people and firearms have occurred? Now how many incidents involve black men and guns?

Maybe someone is looking at the wrong risk group.


3 posted on 07/05/2014 9:37:45 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When should Grandpa give up his gun? When his son or daughter inherit it.


4 posted on 07/05/2014 9:39:12 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I guess it’s a good thing I lost all of my weapons in that terrible boating accident at the deepest part of Trinity Lake.
To bad, so sad, right?


5 posted on 07/05/2014 9:39:31 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe gramps needs an electronic headphone, encouragement to go from 9mm to .45 ACP, free range time and free ammo and the gov’t to totally leave him the H alone...


6 posted on 07/05/2014 9:40:08 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How hard is the conversation to have?

I'm not geriatric yet, but the youngest kid and I have had the talk.

I try to give her my keys every time I see her. She won't take 'em. She knows I hate driving.

She does want my grandmother's .38 special though. But that won't get transfered until it's time, just like the keys.

Everyone has a claim on their preferred firearm. Lots have already been handed down through a couple of generations.

One thing for sure... govt ain't getting any of it.

/johnny

7 posted on 07/05/2014 9:42:06 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Paladin2
Looking for an early birthday gift from the kids?

/johnny

8 posted on 07/05/2014 9:43:51 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Hints never hurt.... ;-)


9 posted on 07/05/2014 9:45:51 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

when do older folks don’t need self-defense? there have been great articles posted about older folks using their weapons to defend themselves.


10 posted on 07/05/2014 9:51:04 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Paladin2
I'm with you. Son-in-law wanted to borrow the pig gun. I sat there on the case of ammo for it (covered so he couldn't see) and worried about having enough ammo for that particular rifle.

He bought some. He got to borrow it.

When I get it back, he'll include the extra ammo he bought.

I sent it without a case, too. Guess which rifle got a new case ?;)

/johnny

11 posted on 07/05/2014 9:51:22 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Having kids in the fam who get it are a great comfort...


12 posted on 07/05/2014 9:55:54 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Try doing a search of "elderly victim shoots intruder". Tons of stories of octogenarians using firearms to stop home invaders. What kind of chance would they have without an equalizer?

"Do yourself a favor. First thing, get a firearm.

13 posted on 07/05/2014 10:04:10 PM PDT by Hugin (God made all men. Sam Colt made them equal.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When the family is able to provide 24-7-365 assurance of coverage and capable of providing safety. I would still keep a fallback option. Give it up? Not likely.


14 posted on 07/05/2014 10:10:38 PM PDT by theneanderthal
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Unfortunately certain questions from child to parent are verboten in my family and always have been unless the parent introduces the topic.My siblings and I were never allowed to ask how much money Daddy made? Or did they have sex before the wedding? Does Daddy still have Ben and Betsy? His names for two shotguns? Do we have funding and contacts for his funeral when that happens? Does he have a will written? We are all in late 50s and no one dares to ask, or at best you get the Silent Treatment.


15 posted on 07/05/2014 10:25:06 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Grandpa keeps his favorite 10 then gives the rest to the following generations when he pleases. Problem solved.


16 posted on 07/05/2014 11:22:21 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m dealing with the driving issue now, and I can see where this could be a problem in the future.

But the American Medical Association says they don’t even know if I’m a boy or a girl anymore....so I sure ain’t gonna trust a bunch of doctors to handle a complicated issue like this one.


17 posted on 07/06/2014 12:52:57 AM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: lee martell

We are all in late 50s and no one dares to ask...”

I understand all too well why you are saying this and IMO it is one of the biggest mistakes anyone, regardless of their age, can make. But I learned this the hard way after dealing with all the paperwork and legal issues after the death of my daughter and my mother.

Right after I completed all their estate issues and could deal with things a little more rationally I put together a loose leaf binder entitled “If I should die before I wake...” It has everything in it from names of utility companies and their phone numbers, who I owe money to, a list of all my possessions and who is to get what, things that could be sold and their value, all my internet passwords, list of who to call and their phone numbers, who to email and their addresses, how to run final reports for my clients, insurance policies, bank accounts, etc.

I glance through it every Saturday morning and update it as necessary. It’s kept on my desk and my son - who also has made his own book at my insistence - knows where to find it.

I have also started another book about my life. Contains some personal information I’m not sure my family really wants to know but it should make for some interesting reading for them.

Parents don’t necessarily trust their children, particularly when it comes to sharing financial information with them. But at least they should leave personal information in an organized form so that winding up their affairs is done in an orderly fashion.


18 posted on 07/06/2014 1:07:35 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My grandmother has Alzheimers. She has often been uncharacteristically aggressive towards my mother, grabbing her and pinching her, swearing at her and threatening to throw things at her. A neighbour whose husband developed alzheimers said that one day he grabbed her hair and then started hitting her in a demented rage.

I think under those kinds of circumstances, they should have their guns taken off them if they can no longer be trusted to be rational. My grandmother is still living at home for the time being.


19 posted on 07/06/2014 1:46:06 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
I hope if I ever get Alzheimer's I'll use a gun on myself while I still am coherent on when and how to use it. After that - they go to the wife and kids.

One thing that might work is to keep the guns with the old folks under a combination lock. If they can't remember the number, they can't get to the guns. Of course they still could have enough sense to defend themselves from an intruder, but forget the combo - especially under stress.

Seems like a pretty personal thing, and depends on the people involved. (Sort of like school lunches). Too bad the government and their propaganda arm have to make it a public issue.

20 posted on 07/06/2014 2:13:32 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Grams A; lee martell

My mom passed away last fall at the age of 95, and telling stories and remembering names from the photo albums from 70 years ago. She had written a bunch of notes on the computer of odds and ends of her life, and had put most of them into a history of her life. But we need to take the rest of the notes and finish out her story.

She was also very open with the finances, and gifts of certain things that she wanted which child to get. And my dad, who had passed first many years ago, had things well arranged.

My siblings and I were very blessed. The one thing if one is not keen on sharing all of that information with the children, I wonder if a third party (trusted friend, clergy, lawyer, etc.) could be given the information, and help the person make arrangements for the sake of the survivors? And perhaps more importantly, that their finances are in order so that if they live a good long time they are taken care of.


21 posted on 07/06/2014 2:22:28 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The more appropriate question should be... “Should 19-year-old Gangster Disciple gangbanger Ja’Qu’An give up HIS gun??


22 posted on 07/06/2014 2:54:14 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Keep the government bureaucrats out of our gun cases!!!

(See? It works both ways!)


23 posted on 07/06/2014 2:56:44 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My Father passed away from Alzheimer’s back in 2007. We didn’t have to worry about his guns because as soon as my Mom told all the children he was diagmosed my one older brother who lived only 45 miles from my parents started to steal all my Dad’s guns.

One day my sister opened the gun safe and it had one pistol left and that was the one I purchased for my Dad as a present back in the 1080s. All the rest of his firearms were gone, my brother had taken them.


24 posted on 07/06/2014 4:18:34 AM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: JRandomFreeper

Many years ago, before old parents got sent to nursing homes and instead lived with their kids until they died, there was no such problem. Grandpa’s guns just drifted into being the responsibility of the son or grandson.


25 posted on 07/06/2014 4:25:47 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How comfortable would these same doctors be suggesting old people give up their right to vote?


26 posted on 07/06/2014 4:35:24 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I guess I missed the epidemic of geriatric killings. Is that who is behind the slaughter in Chicago?


27 posted on 07/06/2014 4:36:09 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The thugocracy always goes after those less able, lest they have a conversation with young black men.


28 posted on 07/06/2014 4:59:02 AM PDT by firebasecody (Orthodoxy, proclaiming the Truth since AD 33)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Doctors, again, trying their anti-gun status, from a different angle, period.

It is none of their (*) busyness!


29 posted on 07/06/2014 5:31:04 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: 5thGenTexan

Exactly. Keep them in the family forever.


30 posted on 07/06/2014 5:32:59 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m 66 in August, I CCW. Hubby is 74 on the 19th, we have a 12 gauge with a pistol grip he likes to use for home defense.

We own a gun safe, as we have great grands. And like our meds guns are locked up when they come visit.

Idiots forget Meds are just as dangerous for a child to get into as finding a gun lying around. BUT no one considers that big butcher block full of knives sitting on most kitchen counters. And since hubby keeps them sharpened, they are sharp.

NEVER MENTION THE WORD DEPRESSION when you go to the doctor now that 0’care has charge of all your medical records. Or you might just lose your guns, permit or no permit.


31 posted on 07/06/2014 5:45:30 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: 5th MEB

OMG! You too??!!


32 posted on 07/06/2014 6:24:33 AM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read newspapers you are misinformed)
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To: IronJack

Remember the goal, disarm the law abiding while ignoring those that spread terror. This causes the people to cry for a government solution, which is always to oppress the law abiding.


33 posted on 07/06/2014 6:42:39 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My GGGGGgrandfather was 70 years old when he marched 40 miles to Bunker Hill to fight with his musket alongside his wounded son who was bayoneted by the British. My GGGGG grandfather shot and killed the British bayoneter but his son died.

My mother still shot a .22 when she was 94.

My great grandmother always kept a shotgun full of rocksalt next to her chair on the porch til she was 92.

After the Battle of Lexington, all the old men lined the road ahead of the British who were were retreating back to Boston and harassed them as they went by, killing many redcoats


34 posted on 07/06/2014 7:10:57 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits n firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: IronJack

Post of the day!


35 posted on 07/06/2014 8:46:50 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cold dead hands sums it up for me.


36 posted on 07/06/2014 8:49:35 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 5th MEB
I lost all of my weapons in that terrible boating accident at the deepest part of Trinity Lake.

You Too!
That's happening Everywhere these days!

Bet you that's why gun shops are so busy - people having to buy replacements.

37 posted on 07/06/2014 9:01:28 AM PDT by HammerT (The Right to keep and bear arms: A Commonsense Civil Right)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ideally it should be a private family matter that the elder works out ahead of time like my dad did with me and my mom. He knew his days were short the doctor had told him it was short and he hadn't started the morphine or stronger chemo yet. He knew his driving judgment was bad. He said it's time to stop driving and I took the truck he said was to be mine anyway. If he wanted to go anywhere or just get out and see the country side I took him gladly. When the chemo started and his mind wasn't clear I did what he expected me to do and what mom wanted me to do I took the guns all but the one Mom used and we hid that one in case she needed it herself. Firearms weren't our real concern. Falls were.

I've worked in a multi stage retirement center from houses to the nursing home itself and the apartments and assisted living building in between those. The risk wasn't firearms. The risk was fire. I think in the five years I worked there one gun was taken and that's because the man had a temper and not so good cognitive abilities. I was a maintenance man and I turned off the breaker on many a range. Falls and fires were the two realistic dangers were made priority.

Now they want to talk about when to take firearms? LOL I saw a woman about 85 years old and about 4'10" take on an entire floor staff with her cane and she was winning LOL.

I'm good on my firearms but my driving may be something I have to surrender at any point my condition worsens. I've know that for 20 years and I'm 56 now. It's not so much age as it is ability. As long as my seizures stay in my neck and shoulder blades I'm good to drive with docs blessings.

38 posted on 07/06/2014 5:41:51 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When Dad had his brain surgery, he told me to go home and pack up all the guns.

I cried that day. Dad taught me to shoot, but he will never be able to shoot with me again. Might break open the aneurysm again. Still, he loves to go with me to the range and watch.


39 posted on 07/07/2014 7:58:11 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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