Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

How Hobby Lobby Undermines All Americans' Freedoms (They're flipping their lids)
Lincoln Mitchell blog ^ | July 6, 2014 | Lincoln Mitchell

Posted on 07/06/2014 5:32:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Supreme Court's recent decision in the Hobby Lobby case demonstrates that the court, at least the five justices who voted in favor of Hobby Lobby, has little concern for, and probably little understanding of, women's health care. By ruling that corporations, on the grounds of the alleged religious views of their owners, can deny women access to some forms of contraception, the court set a horrible precedent that if followed will endanger the health and lives of many American women.

The Hobby Lobby ruling may at first seem like a victory for the minority of Americans who think that both abortion and contraception should be illegal, and for those who believe that the US should operate more as a theocracy than a country where state and church are separate. However, the ruling not only is terrible news for women seeking a guarantee of good healthcare through their employer, but also for anybody who believes in personal freedom.

In the US, where health insurance is linked to employment, health insurance is part of the compensation package. When most Americans are about to start a new job, or choosing between two or more jobs, one of the first questions they ask is about the quality of the health insurance they will get. In most cases, health insurance varies because some companies offer plans with lower co-pays, better dental care or things like that. Firms that deny dental care are doing it because of concerns about costs, not because they have an ethical or religious problem with healthy teeth. Hobby Lobby is doing something different, denying women access to some forms of health care because of the personal beliefs of the people who run the company.

This decision raises the question of whether the Supreme Court will next rule that employers can tell workers how to spend the money they earn at their jobs. This sounds a bit extreme, but in a very real way that is precisely what the court just did. By limiting how workers can use some of their compensation, the court, despite its own assertions that it was not setting a precedent, opened the door for further limitations. If Hobby Lobby can tell people how they can or cannot use their health care benefits, why can't they also tell people they can't, for example, use their salaries to, for donate to pro-choice political candidates or pro-marriage equality causes? The answer, one would think, would be obvious, but the recent court decision makes it considerably less clear.

The Republican Party has long, if not always sincerely, repeated a mantra of individual freedom, but the Hobby Lobby decision, in which all five justices who formed the majority were appointed by Republican presidents, undermines that. A central belief of all Republican politicians is that Americans should have a right to do what they want with, and keep as much as possible of, their hard-earned money. The Supreme Court made a big move against that idea this week, but the outrage from the Republican side has been absent.

Conservative opposition to healthcare have consistently argued that decisions about health care should be made by patients and doctors, not by the government. The death panel hysteria that Sarah Palin unleashed on the American people a few years ago took that point to a nutty extreme. After last week, conservatives who support Hobby Lobby should probably change their position and argue that health care decisions should be made not by a patient's doctor, but by a patient's employer. Similarly, for supporters of the Hobby Lobby decision, the new mantra of individual freedom should now be that Americans should be allowed to do whatever they want with their hard earned money, as long as their boss approves, but somehow that seems an unlikely campaign slogan for Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio.

The Hobby Lobby decision is about women's health care and individual freedom, but it also another sign of the consolidation of power by big corporations in the US. It is now legal for corporations to deny workers important medical services, and redefine their compensation packages, simply because, religious claims aside, they want to. During a very tenuous recovery in which real wages have not recovered, unemployment remains high and economic uncertainty on the part of working Americans is an enormous problem, the Supreme Court just gave more rights to corporations while taking wealth, as health care benefits are a form of wealth, out of the hands of working Americans.


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: abortion; contraception; contraceptives; hobbylobby; obamacare; palin; scotus; tedcruz
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-96 next last
Got that?
1 posted on 07/06/2014 5:32:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Their rhetoric would have you believe that Hobby Lobby has assigned a chaperone to every employee and any attempt to “access” an abortifacient is quickly denied by the chaperone.

They rage at a strawman.


2 posted on 07/06/2014 5:35:19 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hobby Lobby has freedom rights also!


3 posted on 07/06/2014 5:37:18 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ray76

Reminder: Hobby Lobby Provides Coverage for 16 Types of Contraception
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3174342/posts


4 posted on 07/06/2014 5:38:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Ray76

Basic common sense is not a strong point with these gits.


5 posted on 07/06/2014 5:38:36 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
Evidently the definition of freedom is "free stuff."
6 posted on 07/06/2014 5:43:03 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

The left is just showing how unhinged they really are.


7 posted on 07/06/2014 5:43:11 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Boy, talk about delusional.
Funny how they always care so much about republicans
and the “mistakes” they make...


8 posted on 07/06/2014 5:43:40 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ray76

They would have you believe that Hobby Lobby has a prison where they send their pregnant employees to force them to give birth. But this happens whenever they fear their precious right to murder their unborn is in danger.


9 posted on 07/06/2014 5:45:28 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Blood of Tyrants

Not unhinged or delusional.

The memo has gone out: This is a WEDGE issue. They have a terrible economy, overrun borders here, and foreign policy in collapse.

Rats have NOTHING to run on.

But...

lies and distortions.

“Republicans and the war on women. They are taking away your birth control” etc.

That’s all they got and they’ll play that card again and again.


10 posted on 07/06/2014 5:45:55 PM PDT by TigerClaws
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Lincoln Mitchell has over a decade of experience working in political development and consulting. In addition to serving as Chief of Party for the National Democratic Institute (NDI) in Georgia from 2002-2004, Lincoln has worked on democracy and governance related issues in the former Soviet Union, where he has advised businesses and other organizations as well, Eastern Europe, the Caribbean, the Middle East, Africa and Asia. Lincoln also was on the faculty of Columbia University’s School of International Affairs from 2006-2013 and worked for years as a political consultant in New York City advising and managing domestic political campaigns. “

Everything and more than I EVER wanted to know about this dolt


11 posted on 07/06/2014 5:46:16 PM PDT by Nifster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

12 posted on 07/06/2014 5:47:08 PM PDT by JPG ("So sue me". OK, we will.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
By ruling that corporations, on the grounds of the alleged religious views of their owners, can deny women access to some forms of contraception,

That's not what the Supremes ruled. They ruled that Hobby Lobby couldn't be forced to pay for that contraception. The women still have access to it.

The author is a liar. And a poor liar.

/johnny

13 posted on 07/06/2014 5:49:44 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

IN the words of Leftist Regressives who hailed the SC’s ruling on Obamacare- It’s SETTLED Law, Get Over It.


14 posted on 07/06/2014 5:50:58 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Ob)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is another area where the government should be challenged.
Requiring employers to provide health insurance for employees. Employers have traditionally provided health insurance (and different levels of health insurance) as an additional perk to attract the best employees.

Now the government has taken it upon themselves to mandate a very high level of insurance for every employee.
That takes away one of the employer's tools for building a successful business.
If they continue along the same path, they will mandate that private enterprise employees be governed by civil service regulations which determine how, when, and which "benefits" the employer must provide. Maybe they should provide pay scales for each classification of employee and when they are entitled to pay raises and inflation adjustments. Let's not forget about telling employers how many employees of which kind they need and how they must post job vacancies.

Isn't this the classic definition of socialism?

15 posted on 07/06/2014 5:51:02 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
The left’s war on the unborn trumps all. KMA you despicable lefties.
16 posted on 07/06/2014 5:52:02 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

The article was written by a fool.

The supreme court decision has nothing to do with women’s health.

The same health care for women is available today that was available last week.

The author is a hysterical fool.


17 posted on 07/06/2014 5:52:18 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
This decision raises the question of whether the Supreme Court will next rule that employers can tell workers how to spend the money they earn at their jobs.

As opposed to the Government telling workers how to spend the money they earn at their jobs....

18 posted on 07/06/2014 5:52:58 PM PDT by freebilly (How about this-- we stop trying to elect the unelectable)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JRandomFreeper
The author is a liar. And a poor liar.

True, plus statements like:

This decision raises the question of whether the Supreme Court will next rule that employers can tell workers how to spend the money they earn at their jobs.

kinda proves that she doesn't know how to form a cogent argument. Man, talk about non-sequiturs...

19 posted on 07/06/2014 5:54:12 PM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

The author seems brain damaged.


20 posted on 07/06/2014 5:54:23 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

they can’t stop women from buying them themselves. they are hardly banned from using them by their employer.

they just aren’t going to pay for them.

tyranny is being forced into a contract you don’t want to be in and don’t agree with.


21 posted on 07/06/2014 5:56:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
"It is now legal for corporations to deny workers important medical services . . . "

If the author means that it is now legal for corporations not to PAY for SOME medical services, as was the case for 99% of our nation's history, he is correct. So "now legal" is very misleading. It was, until two years ago, legal, and always had been.
22 posted on 07/06/2014 5:57:18 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamacares-muslim-exemption/


23 posted on 07/06/2014 5:58:15 PM PDT by big bad easter bunny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: econjack
Sometimes, authors of crap like this come to FR to see the comments. I hope the author sees the comments.

No-one is buying it. Lead balloon.

/johnny

24 posted on 07/06/2014 5:59:19 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1f3qTt1YDk

How Does the Pill Kill Women?


25 posted on 07/06/2014 6:01:32 PM PDT by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is a textbook example of how difficult it is to reason with liberals. First the gov. forces a business to provide some sort of healthcare for its workers. Then it tells the company it must provide every kind of “healthcare” including killing children. The company must obey the dictates of Big Government. If they do not help an employee kill their child, by liberal “logic” they are denying healthcare. Sure sounds logical and constitutional to me. (snicker)


26 posted on 07/06/2014 6:04:32 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: old curmudgeon; oldbrowser; Ray76; TribalPrincess2U; Army Air Corps; E. Pluribus Unum; ...

Parody News: “Couple Avoids Jail: Will Keep Record Store Open”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3176510/posts


27 posted on 07/06/2014 6:04:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

The leftists are freaking out because the supremes based their decision on the duly passed and enacted Religious Freedom Restoration Act from 1993 - settled law baby!

Hopefully this ruling will prevent any more cake makers being forced to make Adam and Steve wedding cakes.


28 posted on 07/06/2014 6:04:38 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Army Air Corps

“Basic common sense is not a strong point with these gits.”

So very true.


29 posted on 07/06/2014 6:04:58 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The Hobby Lobby ruling may at first seem like a victory for the minority of Americans who think that both abortion and contraception should be illegal”

This is how the argument is one.

“If it truly is a “minority of Americans” Hobby Lobby’s business will soon drop like a stone and they will be gone. If in fact the overwhelming majority of people ARE actually moral and sane, then I guess their business will do just fine.

Why don’t we let the marketplace decide.”


30 posted on 07/06/2014 6:05:26 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name (\w)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

And I have yet to see an employer willing to buy me the gun I have an actual constitutionally named right to.


31 posted on 07/06/2014 6:06:08 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: I cannot think of a name

I think you meant “won” but I get what you mean.


32 posted on 07/06/2014 6:06:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another moron gets it wrong. Asking you to pay for something yourself is not denying you to have it.


33 posted on 07/06/2014 6:07:02 PM PDT by Dave911
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

I frequently think faster than I can type!


34 posted on 07/06/2014 6:07:41 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name (\w)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: cripplecreek

I know, what up with that? Actually, I’ve had three employers buy me guns, but two out of three wanted them back when I left.


35 posted on 07/06/2014 6:08:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

We may have found the missing Linc!


36 posted on 07/06/2014 6:08:57 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The future must not belong to those who slander bacon.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ray76
"access;

Next it will be "free" food. The government will demand that businesses provide free lunches for its workers. If the businesses refuse and say it is not responsible for feeding its employess, by liberal logic it will be denying food and sustenance to the workers. Since people can't survive without food, supplying "free" food will be seen as the same as supplying healthcare. That's lib "logic" for your.

37 posted on 07/06/2014 6:09:06 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s a good one! Bookmarked!


38 posted on 07/06/2014 6:11:06 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
"The Hobby Lobby decision is about women's health care and individual freedom, but it also another sign of the consolidation of power by big corporations in the US [emphasis added]."

The Constitution's Clause 8 of Section 8 of Article I grants Congress the power to reward inventors and authors with temporary monoply power with respect to benefitting from their intellectual property.

Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

But note that Section 8 does not include language which prohibits citizens from enjoying their other privileges and immunities while also enjoying their monopoly power. So Section 8 is constitutional evidence, imo, that citizens can enjoy their constitutionally enumerated pretections which can also include corporate power.

As a side note to this post, I noticed what appears to be a discrepancy in Hobby Lobby's corporate definition. While one source is calling Hobby Lobby a franchise, Hobby Lobby web site seems to be claiming that it is not a franchise.

What am I overlooking?

39 posted on 07/06/2014 6:12:34 PM PDT by Amendment10
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
And the distortions of the marketplace continue. How many people remember the history behind employer-provided health insurance? Much of the push can be traced to the federal wage controls imposed during World War II. To compete in the labor market, companies started bundling health insurance as a lure. The wage controls were lifted after the War, but the practice of bundling health insurance continues.

Tax law continues and aggravates this distortion, by allowing companies and not individuals to deduct insurance expenses.

ObamaCare did nothing to correct this distortion.

40 posted on 07/06/2014 6:14:03 PM PDT by asinclair (Political hot air is a renewable energy resource)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: E. Pluribus Unum
Evidently the definition of freedom is "free stuff"...

...and the ability to murder your unborn child any way you want at any time you want and get others to pay for it.

41 posted on 07/06/2014 6:17:22 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

And who is Lincoln Mitchell when he’s at home?


42 posted on 07/06/2014 6:17:27 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: econjack

You mean like buying Obamacare?


43 posted on 07/06/2014 6:19:19 PM PDT by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Nifster

Wow, what a CV. I’d be so ashamed of that I’d probably retire to a remote island where they never heard of me.

Another person who has reached adulthood without having done anything constructive in his entire life. The Left is full of these parasites who self-proclaim they are our betters and know how we should live our lives.


44 posted on 07/06/2014 6:20:09 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Ray76
My vision care for years did not cover a Dr. I chose to use. I used him since he did additional tests for a condition that ran in my family.

I was not denied access. I CHOSE to use a doctor that was not covered, and paid full price. Isn't that what they mean by pro-choice?

45 posted on 07/06/2014 6:20:40 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

I imagine it would be possible to delude one’s self even more about some issue than this article does but it wouldn’t be easy. There are just so many assertions about this ruling that are completely false in there.


46 posted on 07/06/2014 6:21:10 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lincoln Mitchell, you are an idiot


47 posted on 07/06/2014 6:21:19 PM PDT by kushnejz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

His bio also says he writes for Baseball Prospectus and blogs about baseball. If he understands baseball as well as he understands the Hobby Lobby case, he probably thinks the Yankees need a new quarterback.


48 posted on 07/06/2014 6:30:49 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Every time you say no to a liberal, you make the Baby Barack cry.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: OrangeHoof

:)


49 posted on 07/06/2014 6:35:40 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not even a doctor should come between a woman and her birth control. Make all birth control over the counter.


50 posted on 07/06/2014 6:37:02 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-96 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson