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Colorado Is Consuming Way More Pot Than Anyone Ever Believed
Time Magazine ^ | July 10, 2014 | Maya Rhodan

Posted on 07/12/2014 2:55:46 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

And most is consumed by a minority of daily users.

About 9% of Colorado’s population consumes marijuana, according to a market demand study conducted by the state department of revenue’s Marijuana Enforcement Division and the state’s Marijuana Policy Group. And those users, it’s estimated, will get through about 121.4 metric tons of pot every year.

According to the report, that consumption — calculated through survey results, demographic data and source data — is “31 percent higher than a recent department of revenue assessment, 89 percent higher than a study by the Colorado Futures Center, and 111 percent higher than an older study by the Colorado Center for Law and Policy.”

The state’s Marijuana Enforcement Division analyzed the market demand for the drug, which Colorado began selling for recreational use in January, in an effort to “effectively manage production within the regulated industry,” according to a press release.

According to the study, published Wednesday, the bulk of the demand for the drug comes from the most frequent users....

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Agriculture; Business/Economy; Government; Local News
KEYWORDS: cannabis; colorado; libertarians; marijuana; medicalmarijuana; pot; rockymountainhigh; wod
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Frito-Lay and the cookie companies must love this.

1 posted on 07/12/2014 2:55:46 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder what their tourism stats will show. Hotel stays: up! Snack food sales: astronomically up! Productivity: tanked.


2 posted on 07/12/2014 2:57:52 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The Arab Spring is over. Welcome to the Jihadi Spring." Jonah Goldberg)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cheech and Chong, the smug druglers.


3 posted on 07/12/2014 3:02:13 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Colorado is lost —


4 posted on 07/12/2014 3:12:30 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: NonValueAdded

“Productivity: tanked.”

Yep. What company in their right mind is going to want to open up shop in Colorado after they hear this?

You don’t want 9% of your workers going “Yeah, maaaannnn..... lighten up, duuude.”


5 posted on 07/12/2014 3:15:28 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Washington states first pot shop closed on Friday.

Reason?

Lack of inventory!


6 posted on 07/12/2014 3:20:07 AM PDT by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Any ideas what Obama was doing after he shot pool & drank beer with Colorado Gov. Chickenpooper the other day? Hint: Choom Gang.


7 posted on 07/12/2014 3:39:50 AM PDT by twister881
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To: NonValueAdded

Lol productivity, the same, you know stick it to the man bs


8 posted on 07/12/2014 3:42:42 AM PDT by aces (Jesus Saves not Society)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was arguing about this at the gym. Bob said, “I’d much rather meet a high driver than a drunk driver.” I said, “A drunk will blow through a stop sign like it isn’t there. But a guy who is high will stop and wait for it to change.”

Frankly, I don’t want either on the road.


9 posted on 07/12/2014 3:47:13 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Everybody must get stoned -

Bob Dylan


10 posted on 07/12/2014 3:57:41 AM PDT by DisorderOnBorder (Haley Barbour rather work for drug cartels than Americans)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll never forget one time I was living in Las Vegas listening to a talk radio show on a conservative station named KDWN and the subject was whether or not marijuana was addicting and a pot-head called in extremely angry and abusive to the radio host and claiming loudly and with great emotion that he (the pot-head) KNOWS that pot is not addicting because he’s been smoking it every day for 10 years and he KNOWS he’s not addicted.

I don’t think it was a put-up job or satire or sarcasm. I think pot really does make people that stupid. That guy really believed that his 10 years of daily pot smoking somehow QUALIFIED him to say that pot is not addictive.


11 posted on 07/12/2014 4:02:25 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman

That’s like saying people who drink alcohol every day for years are not alcoholics - it is ridiculous to think either are not addicted.


12 posted on 07/12/2014 4:09:56 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“It’s my right to be stoned at work!”/s


13 posted on 07/12/2014 4:15:36 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Uncle Chip

Testing grounds, if we can keep them high and disengaged we can roll them over


14 posted on 07/12/2014 4:20:21 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: jacknhoo

I know that almost by definition alcoholics tend to deny that they are alcoholics. But they don’t deny that alcoholism exists, they just say “that’s not me”.

But this moron (who is not alone, I assure you) wasn’t saying “I am not addicted” he was saying “pot is not addictive”.

It’s a big difference.

I know everyone wants to see equivalence between alcohol and pot, but there are many, many points of divergence.

This is one of the points of divergence, I believe, is that alcoholics defend themselves (”I am not an alcoholic”) while pot-heads defend pot (”there is no such thing as marijuana addiction”). In a sense, the alcoholics are much more reality-oriented, just in denial about where they are on the spectrum. Pot heads tend to deny that a spectrum even exists.

But the main point of divergence, in my mind, is that the effects of alcohol (especially for non-alcoholics) seem more temporary than the effects of pot (even for non-pot-heads), the first being water soluble, the second being fat-soluble. I think that creates a big difference in how long the side-effects last.

I do believe there is a long-term carry-over into memory and productivity with pot that is more dangerous than with alcohol, and certainly different. They are not the same thing. There is no equivalence.

I guess as our society moves to a permanent welfare state it doesn’t much matter if 10%, 20%, 30% or more people become permanently non-productive, permanently non-functional, permanently without the use of their short-term memory, permanently in denial about their own lifestyle. But it certainly is sad. To me, anyway. It’s certainly not something to celebrate.


15 posted on 07/12/2014 4:24:41 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman
a pot-head called in extremely angry and abusive to the radio host and claiming loudly and with great emotion

That behavior illustrates another aspect of pot use. It precipitates psychotic disorder. I don't think it can be determined yet what the exact connection is--does pot cause it? Does pot induce the disorder to show up faster in people who were going to get it anyway?

In any case, pot causes brain damage, which is apparently permanent.

16 posted on 07/12/2014 4:24:52 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom

I think the link has been established between pot and “heightened psychosis” among people who already have psychotic symptoms. I’m not sure it’s been established that pot actually causes psychosis.

Also, I personally would not say pot “causes brain damage” if by brain damage we mean killing brain cells. Alcohol kills brain cells by gluing red blood cells together so that they clump in the capillaries, tear the capillary walls and rupture nearby brain cells in the process.

As far as I have read, pot does not kill brain cells. However the link to short-term memory loss is well established and new studies show the younger the user, the more permanent the effect. I would use the phrase “brain impairment”, not “brain damage”, since to me that second phrase implies destruction of brain cells.

Also, I don’t know what studies there are regarding productivity, but my own non-scientific observation of pot-heads leads me to believe that pot has dramatic negative effects on productivity.


17 posted on 07/12/2014 4:34:38 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman

I knew people that said exactly that. I do think it falls more inside the realm of mental addiction as opposed to chemical like some alcohol addictions can be.


18 posted on 07/12/2014 4:34:47 AM PDT by CommieCutter ("For an idea to be too simplistic, it must first be proven wrong" --Thomas Sowell)
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To: CommieCutter

I think you are right about that. There are no (or very few) actual physical withdraw symptoms with pot, while they are definitely present with alcohol in a true alcoholic.

However, that psychological addiction is extremely powerful. Extremely. And with pot legal and freely available, I would say that the bar to quitting pot just got raised a significant level for pot-heads.

Also, the very fact that pot is not “physically addicting” (or at least seems not to be), makes it very easy for a truly psychologically addicted pot smoker to convince himself that its easy to smoke “just once in a while”, where a true alcoholic, once he faces reality about himself, accepts more clearly that he must quit drinking completely.


19 posted on 07/12/2014 4:39:28 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: DisorderOnBorder

“Everybody must get stoned -

Bob Dylan”

But that song is about being stoned as in having rocks thrown at you until you are dead. the dopers are just too stupid to understand it


20 posted on 07/12/2014 4:40:58 AM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Colorado Is Consuming Way More Pot Than Anyone Ever Believed

...and has been for years. Only now, with legalization, there's some way to measure the amount.

21 posted on 07/12/2014 4:41:17 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let me show you my shocked face.


22 posted on 07/12/2014 4:41:41 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: samtheman

I’ve seen it. The daily users always seem to have to have their morning wake-n-bake.


23 posted on 07/12/2014 4:45:59 AM PDT by CommieCutter ("For an idea to be too simplistic, it must first be proven wrong" --Thomas Sowell)
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To: CommieCutter

I’ve know people who wake’n’bake. They are gluey-eyed all day.

My son is 5. My wife and I have to start planning how to deal with this issue.

We have friends who have a boy in high school and they were moving to a new neighborhood in the same city and the kid doesn’t want to change schools and he told his parents, “in my current school, the drug of choice is pot, in the new school it’s cocaine”.

Wonderful thing for a parent to hear, that their kid even knows that.


24 posted on 07/12/2014 4:53:56 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Gen.Blather

I heard on the news that drug related auto deaths increased from 5% to !0% since legalization began. Can’t finds the link for it.


25 posted on 07/12/2014 4:56:21 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not a surprise at all; CO people have been in the doldrums for a decade or more really.


26 posted on 07/12/2014 5:04:18 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s a Colorado Rocky Mountain high


27 posted on 07/12/2014 5:04:58 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A couple of months ago there was an article reprinted on FR about how the CO pot retailers were doing so poorly - sales were way below projections and the government was not collecting anywhere near the tax revenues they had anticipated.
Which is it?


28 posted on 07/12/2014 5:09:47 AM PDT by louie2 (Simply a diversion)
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To: samtheman

All good points.

There is physical addictiveness to alcohol. There is psychological addictiveness to marijuana. The health and mental and behavioral aspects of the two vary widely.

I’ve known several people, personally in my lifetime, to drink themselves to death. I’ve known of one person who smoked themselves to death by overdose of carbon monoxide from pot...somewhere in Britain, according to an article I read. I’m sure there’s plenty of extraneous connections to combining these drugs with other drugs and destruction of oneself and others.

Of course there’s many ramifications for abusing any drug.

There are so many mind altering drugs, both legal and illegal, and both maufactured/concocted and naturally originating.

Regarding the brain, it seems to me, I know many people whose brains have been utterly destroyed by psyche meds than any other type of drugs...to the point where they are in a constant battle to thrive in the real world. Their brains’ chemistry have been permanently altered and they will never be “normal” again. There is a host of diabetes and metabolic disorders resulting from their use - as prescribed. I feel the numbers/percentages of these people far surpass the pot smokers and alcoholics. 7% of schoolchildren are already on them. 25% of the female population and 15% of the male population take mental health related medications.

If people are really concerned about the “level of productiveness” of our society/culture, they will of course need to be first concerned with these medications.


29 posted on 07/12/2014 5:11:15 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: samtheman
Also, I personally would not say pot “causes brain damage” if by brain damage we mean killing brain cells.

I'm talking about differences in brain structure, as revealed in imaging studies. This article talks about it.

While that article discusses one type of damage, other studies have shown different kinds of damage. For instance, studies have demonstrated durable personality changes (such as the lack of motivation that afflicts pot smokers). And yet others show that pot use in adolescence precipitates psychotic disorder. Here, adolescence refers to the period of time in which the brain is still developing, which occurs up to about age 25. In these studies, there is no way to determine whether the kids who become psychotic were predisposed, were already developing the disease, or got the disease as a result of the pot use.

As this experiment with pot legalization goes on, we will see a lot more impaired people. I'm inclined to think that the old propaganda film, "Reefer Madness" was not as over-the-top as I had always believed. I do not think that pot legalization will continue, as it becomes more and more apparent just how damaging it is and government officials roll back legalization as a result.

30 posted on 07/12/2014 5:13:30 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
One of the main reasons legalizing pot is such a bad idea is exactly what this article is about

Pot use will go up when you decriminalize it...

Based on the issues and costs associated with alcohol abuse, you would think they can add 1+ 1 = 2

More use more problems and issues and additional costs...

I wonder how much of these additional tax dollars generated from pot sales Colorado wind up being used to address these issues...

31 posted on 07/12/2014 5:14:47 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: exDemMom

Interesting article. Thanks for posting. I think I am behind on keeping up with this issue and what I posted earlier is the result of things I read years ago, probably now out of date. As a parent, it’s my responsibility to read more about this. Thanks again.


32 posted on 07/12/2014 5:19:40 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Popman
Pot use will go up when you decriminalize it...

It's been said about drugs in general:

"What we have now, with the War on Drugs, is a Criminal Justice Disaster.

"What we will have when all drugs are legalized is a Public Health Disaster."

Or words to that effect.

33 posted on 07/12/2014 5:21:27 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: louie2

Recreational MJ is much higher taxed than medical MJ and it getting a bogus medical MJ recommendation continues to be easy — so basically it’s only tourists and people who don’t want any written record they use MJ who are buying recreational.


34 posted on 07/12/2014 5:21:56 AM PDT by only1percent
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To: jacknhoo
Regarding the brain, it seems to me, I know many people whose brains have been utterly destroyed by psyche meds than any other type of drugs...to the point where they are in a constant battle to thrive in the real world. Their brains’ chemistry have been permanently altered and they will never be “normal” again.

Aren't we seeing liberalism do the same thing?

35 posted on 07/12/2014 5:24:15 AM PDT by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I was glad to see that at least there hasn’t been an increase in motor vehicle accidents or fatalities as a direct result of legalized pot use so you may be correct...


36 posted on 07/12/2014 5:28:33 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
Aren't we seeing liberalism do the same thing?

Liberalism promotes pot use and pot use leads to stupidity which leads to voting for liberals.

A classroom full of pot-stoned children makes it that much easier for the NEA to stick their idiot-dumbing-down version of American "education" down the throats of the young.

The force at the core of Common Core is the enforced ignorance of the masses, enforced by the government army of "teachers", and aided by all the forces of ignorance at their disposal, including the dumbing-down effects of marijuana legalization.

37 posted on 07/12/2014 5:30:13 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: jacknhoo

“That’s like saying people who drink alcohol every day for years are not alcoholics...”

I think they’re right. They’re drunks. Alcoholics go to meetings.

I support legalization. Individual freedom is a hallmark of conservative thought. Prohibition worked so well, after all.


38 posted on 07/12/2014 5:33:30 AM PDT by outofsalt
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To: exDemMom
I do not think that pot legalization will continue, as it becomes more and more apparent just how damaging it is and government officials roll back legalization as a result.

Thought your post was spot on...except for the last line...

Considering that the main reason pot is moving toward legalization is driven by the tax revenue generated...

Our government has a very poor history regarding public health issues when tax dollars will be impacted...

Alcohol, cigarettes, cigars, chewing tobacco come to mind. All these products are legal and far more impacting health wise than pot...

If anything government will at some point increase the tax to drive pot use down but once these tax dollars are generated the politicians will never give them up...

39 posted on 07/12/2014 5:42:47 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: samtheman

I don’t care if that STOP sign still says, “STOP.” Eventually, you’re going to have to move along.


40 posted on 07/12/2014 5:51:46 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Waiting for the STOP sign to reverse itself and say POTS.


41 posted on 07/12/2014 5:55:41 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Popman

Aren’t you making an argument for alcohol prohibition?


42 posted on 07/12/2014 5:59:03 AM PDT by sakic
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To: sakic
Aren’t you making an argument for alcohol prohibition?

Considering how well it worked last time / S

No...

My point was once the barn door is open, the cows are out...

Tax dollars revenue will drive the pot legalization debate rather than health issues...

43 posted on 07/12/2014 6:01:48 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: twister881

No dude the O man is back on the pipe big time. He has a funny grin and half the time he has no ideal what is going on around him. The whole world is looking at you so you go play pool and drink beer and make jokes? You got to be hammered to act that way in public.


44 posted on 07/12/2014 6:02:57 AM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: Popman
Tax dollars revenue will drive the pot legalization debate rather than health issues...

I think you are right about that.

And I think that pot legalization goes hand-in-hand with a permanent welfare state, which might be slightly trimmed at the edges but (sans revolution) will never, ever go away.

45 posted on 07/12/2014 6:04:54 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Popman

Chickenpoophead has said all the revenue from pot sales will not be enough to cover all the additional costs. Maybe if enough dumbass graphics artists become stoners some of these companies will have to look toward older experienced artists and i can get some work


46 posted on 07/12/2014 6:09:28 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (we shouldn't fear the government. the government should fear us.)
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To: Popman
Considering that the main reason pot is moving toward legalization is driven by the tax revenue generated...

How much tax revenue can be generated by people who have no incentive to work?

While marijuana's deleterious effects can be observed after fairly short-term, light use, alcohol and tobacco only cause health issues after years of heavy use. Meanwhile, people who drink and smoke are still able to work and produce, meaning that they remain profitable to the government for a long time. Marijuana users are far more likely to become a liability than to generate much in the way of taxes.

47 posted on 07/12/2014 6:11:12 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: samtheman

You’re welcome.


48 posted on 07/12/2014 6:11:43 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Uncle Chip

“Colorado is lost —”

So, we in Colorado all turned to potheads because it was made legal? Wrong.

The report just simply shows that pot use was far higher than thought. Nothing has really changed at all. Those that didn’t smoke pot didn’t start.


49 posted on 07/12/2014 6:18:09 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Popman

Money drives everything 100% of the time.


50 posted on 07/12/2014 6:25:24 AM PDT by sakic
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