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Bible is clear on helping immigrants
abqjournal.com ^ | July 13, 2014 | Justin Remer-thamert / Program Director, New Mexico Faith Coalition For Immigrant Justice

Posted on 07/13/2014 7:53:34 AM PDT by moonshinner_09

Southeast New Mexico is facing a crisis that cuts at the heart of Christian faith and practice.

With Immigration and Customs Enforcement bringing some 600 Central American refugees to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, local citizens are rallying. Tragically, the most vehement response is exceptionally negative, couched in fear, fueled in politicized rhetoric and grounded in anything but biblical, moral and humanitarian concerns.

As faith leaders and pastors in Eddy and Lea Counties, we call for Christian grace, morality and common sense given the looming crisis. We commend events like a planned July 15 interfaith vigil at Immaculate Conception Church, 619 Copper NW in Albuquerque at 6 p.m.

Scripture repeatedly and unapologetically calls us to welcome the stranger, the orphan, the widow. Leviticus 19:33-34 recalls when the people of God were unwanted immigrants in Egypt. Central to the biblical narrative is the call to remember the treatment of the Hebrew people so we never return such inhumanity upon others.

Jesus emphasized this vital law of God’s grace and welcome. Most notably, Matthew 25 reminds us that salvation hinges on caring for “the least of these.” James writes that for faith to be authentic, it must prioritize our care for the orphans and widows in distress. As Central American women and children are brought to our backyard in Eddy County, Christianity demands compassion.

Extending hospitality to the stranger is not an easy practice. We fear what we don’t understand. Accordingly, many have expressed outrage at the decision to house these immigrants at FLETC.

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How come God never demands love, not punishment for all these folks leaving their countries to come north to America ?. Also as the Pastor points out here- Let us seek to understand the immigrant’s reasons for coming and to work collaboratively for just and reasonable immigration reform. Where is this same pastor and the many more like him out there daily speaking of how the many,many like him that they clearly cannot see that Americans already here cannot find jobs.Where is the let us understand that millions of Americans already here are reasons that are stated here how illegals making Americans move from state after state only to find there is no work in any other sates just the way it is due south.Should Pastors like him stop and ask themselves we have over last report there are about 100 million Americans unemployed if and when they are employed the wages = slave wages..These faith leaders who not bring up the topic that we come together to speak with all the out of work Americans and Immigration and Customs Enforcement ,Congress,Obama intends not to put Americans first ?Why is it faith leaders like these listed here would dare not say anything regarding millions of Americans out of work yet can talk with you all day long about illegals who come here illgally and we speak about them and how we must help them in anyway we can..How come illeglas get dr's apointments right away and at the same time our vets must wait ,wait and hurry up and wait and wait and wait.
1 posted on 07/13/2014 7:53:34 AM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

They are not orphans. Now, if they want to allow us to adopt them and sever all ties with their families that’s fine.

This thing reminds me of the person that stops traffic and risks serious accidents to let a car pull into traffic that could have just as easily waited for the next opening in traffic.

Sometimes there are consequences to helping. Like when my kids got head lice when we took in a green card carrying Mexican woman 20 years ago with her six kids. Never again.


2 posted on 07/13/2014 7:57:57 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Well ... this would make perfect sense ... if the government and God were the same thing.

But they’re not.


3 posted on 07/13/2014 7:58:15 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: moonshinner_09
If we extend our largesse to these invaders, why stop there? There are millions of other "oppressed" people around the world. Why not open our borders to them too? In fact, why not become the garbage disposal for all the world's trash? Think of the service we'd be doing our downtrodden brothers and sisters if we took all their parasitic, diseased, criminal, insane, and barbaric refuse into our homes. Then those countries could proceed to build themselves up, knowing they had kept only the desirable elements because someone else was stupid enough to take the leavings.

America: the World's Landfill.

4 posted on 07/13/2014 7:58:31 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: moonshinner_09
I love it when Liberals turn to The Bible. God works in mysterious ways.

Say, Justin, how about doing a segment on what The Bible says about engaging in homosexual acts or about why a man and woman should leave their families and all that stuff.

That oughta be a fun read.

5 posted on 07/13/2014 7:59:39 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: moonshinner_09
Bible is clear on helping immigrants

Yeah, LEGAL immigrants, not illegal border-jumpers!

6 posted on 07/13/2014 8:00:16 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: moonshinner_09
Scripture repeatedly and unapologetically calls us to welcome the stranger, the orphan, the widow

It also has a few things to say about bearing false witness.

Look into it. You might be surprised.

7 posted on 07/13/2014 8:01:28 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: moonshinner_09

In 1500 BC, there were no immigration laws. The Israelites were invited into Egypt. They did not invade. When they did invade Canaan, they had to fight.

I’m all for helping the poor...in their own country. I support LEGAL immigration, although I wish we would write our laws to take in people who would help America instead of being a burden. My wife is a LEGAL immigrant from the Philippines.

What I oppose is an invasion of foreigners with different ideals and political beliefs flooding in from Mexico across the southern border. I object to the idea that people who wish to immigrate to the US legally have to wait their turn, UNLESS they come from Mexico or Central America. I object to having a flood of people entering illegally and trying to change our culture into one of never-ending entitlement to my money instead of supporting themselves.

I do, however, donate food, money and clothing to orphanages in northern Mexico...


8 posted on 07/13/2014 8:02:38 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: moonshinner_09

Oh? They had tattooed gang members and drug cartels in Biblical times?


9 posted on 07/13/2014 8:02:58 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: moonshinner_09
Justin Remer-thamert / Program Director, New Mexico Faith Coalition For Immigrant Justice

Say, Justin, how much does that gig pay?

10 posted on 07/13/2014 8:03:06 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: moonshinner_09
They can't have it both ways. Liberals don't want and fight against every attempt to make America a "Christian" nation and have succeeded in turning America into a secular, humanistic nature whose laws are based on whatever popular opinion is.

They can't turn around and cite biblical examples of a true Godly nation, led by the Lord himself, and say that we have to do the same thing unless they're wiling to actually turn the government over to God.

11 posted on 07/13/2014 8:03:37 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: moonshinner_09

Bible is clear on helping immigrants

Pharaoh invited Joseph`s father and family to cross the border LEGALLY into Egypt.

Gen 45-17

“Now when the news was heard in Pharaoh’s house that Joseph’s brothers had come, it pleased Pharaoh and his servants. 17Then Pharaoh said to Joseph, “Say to your brothers, ‘Do this: load your beasts and go to the land of Canaan, 18and take your father and your households and come to me, and I will give you the best of the land of Egypt and you will eat the fat of the land.’…


12 posted on 07/13/2014 8:03:54 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits n firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: moonshinner_09

I hate when libs cite religion as a reason to do anything. The Bible is clear on many things, but as is often said we do not live in a nation governed by the Bible, and I think for the most part that’s a good thing.


13 posted on 07/13/2014 8:04:16 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: cuban leaf
The 'good' Catholic Nancy Pelosi says it is OK to murder babies in the womb, but we have to obey her and her ilk regarding illegal aliens. What a pile of crap.

Nancy Pelosi washes immigrants’ feet in humble Holy Week act — then promotes on Twitter

14 posted on 07/13/2014 8:04:17 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: moonshinner_09

These are ‘immigrants’?


15 posted on 07/13/2014 8:04:17 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: moonshinner_09
So give them a hot meal, some shots, $100 and send them back where they came from.

Or, are we to rescue the entire world?

16 posted on 07/13/2014 8:04:29 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: IronJack

Don’t let Godless and Amoral Press like the Albq Journal lecture you on the bible. When the left does this they look for power over the Judeo-Christian majority here in America. It pisses me off when anyone tells me that Jesus would do this or that it is the Christian thing to do. REALLY?? Do they hold themselves in such high esteem that they know what God is thinking?? Our God is a Righteous God that believes in the FORGIVENESS of sins. He is not a TOLERANT God. In order to FORGIVE sins one must have committed a wrong—Which is NOT tolerated, but is forgiven for all.


17 posted on 07/13/2014 8:05:15 AM PDT by timlilje
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To: ClearCase_guy
Well ... this would make perfect sense ... if the government and God were the same thing.

But its easy to see how the statists would believe they are.

18 posted on 07/13/2014 8:05:58 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: moonshinner_09
Endangering your children with criminal gang-bangers and contagious diseases is “Christian.”

Right!

19 posted on 07/13/2014 8:06:06 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: moonshinner_09

Churches aren’t allowed in the camps, along with congressmen or cameras. But Big Br’O wants the Catholic Bishops’ help—as long as they don’t use the Name of Jesus.


20 posted on 07/13/2014 8:06:17 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: KeyLargo

I did that feet washing thing with some Christian group shortly after I moved to KY. It felt like symbolism over substance. After getting my feet washed and using my God given human reasoning power I saw it as stupid and said so. Politely, of course.


21 posted on 07/13/2014 8:06:49 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: moonshinner_09

These aren’t homeless people abandoned and wondering in the dessert.

This is an orchestrated flood of foreigners being ILLEGALLY invited to move from their homes.

The objective is to drain our treasury, destroy our economy, and ensure an eternally dependent class of voters for the socialists and fascists power base.

The “Christian” thing to do would be to fix their corrupt governments at home.


22 posted on 07/13/2014 8:07:00 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Texas Eagle

Religion & Illegal Immigration

(Scroll down for information and articles regarding religion and illegal immigration in the United States of America)

Religious groups supporting illegal immigration: Why?

By Steve Salvi, Founder, OJJPAC.org

http://www.ojjpac.org/Religion.asp


23 posted on 07/13/2014 8:07:08 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: moonshinner_09

This is just more nonsense from social justice proponents who conveniently ignore Scripture that contradicts their emotionalism.

The Bible instructs us to obey the laws of the government. God had no problem with Israel maintaining its borders, and, in fact, stood behind them when the time came to do battle over them. “Stranger” in the context of the singled-out Scripture does not mean one who is engaged in lawbreaking.


24 posted on 07/13/2014 8:07:14 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: moonshinner_09; All

The Bible says “Those who don’t care for their own are worse than infidels” If a country’s government advocates policies that ignore the needs of its own populace in favor of those of other countries, then the government has violated its ruling compact with its own populace and must be swept aside. If a religious leader is preaching a sermon that attempts to persuade his congregation that the needs of poor illegals are more pressing then the poor and needy Americans who are unemployed...then he is a traitor to our country and an infidel to the faith!(and he must be swept aside and kicked out of his position)


25 posted on 07/13/2014 8:07:18 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: moonshinner_09
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Serve them a hot lunch ... and DEPORT these people (specifically children) back to their EVIL governments ...

These EVIL Governments (Mexico, Guatemaula, etc) are using these CHILDREN as "Trojan Horses" to SPREAD disease, crime, poverty to the United States.

Period.


The cowardly Hamas and Palestians use children as "humas shields" as a MILITARY WEAPON.

These EVIL Governments (Mexico, Guatemaula, etc) are doing EXACTLY the same.



IF I were POTUS I'd first deport the illegal invaders (100 percent), STOP all FOREIGN AID to these third-world cesspool nations, and terminate diplomatic relations.



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26 posted on 07/13/2014 8:07:20 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (.)
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To: Ken522

The bible is also clear on dealing with criminals and thieves, no?


27 posted on 07/13/2014 8:07:37 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: moonshinner_09

suddenly, liberals recognize the authority of the bible after all...

let’s see how they apply that thinking to abortion and homosexuality

this is an invasion being scripted by the govt’s of mexico and guatemala

the illegal immigrants should be treated humanely, but they should also be sent home


28 posted on 07/13/2014 8:07:52 AM PDT by Reverend Wright (liberal logic: Sarah Palin is not a real woman but "Chelsea" Manning is...)
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To: moonshinner_09

What nonsense. Ger Toshav [the stranger who dwells] is not a foreigner, it is a non-Jew that has adopted the lifestyle, culture, and G-d of Israel.


29 posted on 07/13/2014 8:08:21 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: moonshinner_09

There is a difference between a guest and someone demanding you house and clothe them.

At most, they should have a wash, medical check up, a full belly and a plane ticket back home. And that’s just for the kids. Adults knowingly break the law and deserve to be tossed back.


30 posted on 07/13/2014 8:09:15 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Leviticus 19:33-34 recalls when the people of God were unwanted immigrants in Egypt. Central to the biblical narrative is the call to remember the treatment of the Hebrew people so we never return such inhumanity upon others......Ok, alrighty! This guy says enslave these “migrants” and keep them in bondage for hundreds of years until Mose’ comes to lead them into the desert for forty years. I thought the Libs were compassionate?


31 posted on 07/13/2014 8:09:22 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: timlilje

The best help we can give them is a shower..clean clothes and a flight back wherever. That will convince others it isn’t worth the trouble and prevent a lot of deaths..on both side of the border.
Otherwise we need to ask our Christian brothers and sisters..How many will you take in your home EVERY YEAR? How many will you assume 100% financial responsibility for? Have you ever looked at the Financial Responsibility form that must be filled out by sponsors for immigration? Are you personally willing to do that?


32 posted on 07/13/2014 8:09:37 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Mr Rogers

Do you have a way of confirming those donations go there vs being diverted by drug cartels or corrupt local officials?


33 posted on 07/13/2014 8:09:37 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: KeyLargo

You have to hand it to her... She prays louder than anyone else in public.

That’s a good thing right?


34 posted on 07/13/2014 8:10:53 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: moonshinner_09

I’m glad the pastor is offering his home to 20 or 30 immigrant kids cause I ain’t.


35 posted on 07/13/2014 8:12:59 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: moonshinner_09
Clothe the Naked
Feed the Hungry

The Second Great Command
Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself

I get it...

As individual Christians we are called to do these things.
As the Body of Christ, we are under command to do these things.

But Government is neither of these things
It does not Love, it Compels
It is not Serve, it Demands Service
It takes under threat of Punishment, Imprisonment, and Death

That which is done under compulsion
IS NOT an Act of Love, Caring, Kindness, Forgiveness
IS NOT an Act of Doing Justly, Loving Mercy, Walking Humbly...

It is Enslavement...

36 posted on 07/13/2014 8:13:40 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: moonshinner_09
The Bible does seem pretty clear:

John 10:1
Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.

37 posted on 07/13/2014 8:14:17 AM PDT by Flag_This (Liberalism: Kills countries dead.)
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To: KeyLargo
I am not a biblical scholar but I have studied the illegal migration issue for almost a decade.

Ahhhhhh. Notice how Steve subtley changes the word "immigrant" to "migrant".

These people are not migrants. They are not planning on going home after the harvest. True, they may send a lot of their money home after they convert their food stamps into cash.

But they have no intentions of going home.

If they are truly IMMIGRANTS, legal or otherwise, they would (or should) be more than happy to forego any public assistance of any kind so-as to prevent themselves from becoming dependent on other's charity and generosity and provide for themselves.

The simple fact is, people like Steve needs these kinds of human chattle (chattel?) in order to justify his own otherwise useless existence.

38 posted on 07/13/2014 8:16:25 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: mdmathis6

“Do you have a way of confirming those donations go there vs being diverted by drug cartels or corrupt local officials?”

A friend of mine drives the truck to the border, where the guy who runs the orphanage picks up the food and clothing. Many churches are actually quite good about getting stuff into the hands of the needy instead of drug lords.


39 posted on 07/13/2014 8:20:14 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: bunkerhill7

I wouldn’t use that passage as a base theological tentpole as to how to approach immigration. Pharoah invited a family, not a whole race of genetically related people to Jacob and Joseph in the numbers of thousands who would come in and overwhelm Egypt’s economy. Pharoah wouldn’t have known that over 400 years, this “family” would stay more to themselves and not integrate into Egyptian society, growing into nearly 3 million souls(600000 warrior aged men not counting families and children).

The Egyptians got more out of them economically keeping them enslaved, but they also feared them as a security risk and tried to limit their numbers passing laws enforcing infanticide of their 1st born.


40 posted on 07/13/2014 8:23:19 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: moonshinner_09

The way that the Democrats are arguing on this matter is interesting. They talk all around the subject. It leads me to believe that there is money in this for the Democrats.


41 posted on 07/13/2014 8:25:01 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: timlilje
This falls under the same classification as enabling a drunk or a drug abuser. Yes, we can take in these invaders. Yes, it could be considered an act of Christian compassion. But so could buying a drunk with the DT's a drink to calm his nerves, or handing an addict a dime bag of crack because he's hurtin'.

Sometimes the greater act of compassion is to say "No, I will not enable your continued sin. I will not empower you to destroy yourself -- and me with you."

THAT is what we should be telling these people, and more importantly, their enablers. "Do NOT send them here. They are YOUR problems to deal with, not ours."

42 posted on 07/13/2014 8:25:28 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: moonshinner_09

Horsespit and pablum claptrap.

Pastors need to stick to the gospel and not social reconstruction. I’m about as tired of them and their opinions as I am “celebrities”. One has slightly more reasoning ability than the other.


43 posted on 07/13/2014 8:26:07 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: mdmathis6

I would tend to disagree- several hundred years ago thousands of French Canadian families crossed illegally into northern NY State -settled near Saratoga -
The NY governor protested the illegality of it all and the Canadian governor of the Province begged and pleaded and they worked out a deal, but it was illegal period for them to cross the border..some also settled next to my grandma`s house.
I doubt very much if Canada would allow thousands of Americans to cross their border illegally into Canada- well duhhhhh I wonder why- coz it is illegal!


44 posted on 07/13/2014 8:30:53 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits n firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: cuban leaf

If we as a society had the practice of washing our feet prior to coming into a house after a dusty walk, then the practice would have had more significance for you(...especially if the pastor and deacons of a church had done the foot washing....as a way of explaining how Christ was a servant to us all and so were they). If you read the story, Christ washed all of his disciples feet and gave a lesson on Christian love and Christian leadership...”He who is the leader of all is the servant of all”

I think the way that these foot washing services go...with everyone washing each other’s feet... that Christ’s massage of servant hood and leadership is lost or diluted. To see immoral DEM politicians do it like Pelosi is cynical and is a mockery to Christ!


45 posted on 07/13/2014 8:35:25 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: moonshinner_09

So go to Guatemala or Nicaragua and help them.


46 posted on 07/13/2014 8:38:34 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: bunkerhill7

Different times, and a deal was reached. They were farmers and tradesmen getting their largesse from the land, and the government didn’t exactly give them free cell phones and welfare. Also did they maintain their allegiance to France(or had the British taken Quebec by then)? The question was whether or not the story of Jacob and family being “invited” to Egypt formed a theological argument to justify the overwhelming of our borders by illegals from other lands as abetted by avowed Marxists who hate our country and want to destroy it?


47 posted on 07/13/2014 8:44:07 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: moonshinner_09

The least among us would seem to be the displaced American workers, particularly the black workers, who are displaced in disproportionate numbers, and the companies, particularly the small contractors, who will not hire illegals. How can the rule of law survive if they are not given remedies for the injustices done to them?


48 posted on 07/13/2014 8:46:54 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: moonshinner_09

So we need to allow everyone in the world in who wants to come here?

He probably defends homosexual marriage, never mind what the Bible says.

I am beginning to hate these people. No logic, no common sense. Just feel-good garbage.


49 posted on 07/13/2014 8:47:42 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: moonshinner_09

The trouble is that we already send these countries huge amounts of aid, that is probably stolen by the Jefes. Their own leaders are exporting their dregs so they can get out of paying the social costs. Mexico prints pamphlets informing its citizens on sneaking into the US to get free medical care. This is an act of sabotage, frankly! For every illegal alien stepping on our southern border I would charge Mexico $100,000, and take it out of their accounts in NY. This nonsense would dry up in a heart beat.

We are more generous than any nation on Earth. So enough with the moralizing.

We are not going to be Uncle Sucker. Most of our states and education systems are out of money. We cannot take thousands of students, period! Our inner cities are apocalyptic crime zones - and we do nothing to stop that violence. Funny, Obama worries more about violence in Guatemala than he does in Chicago!

Why are we not making Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala pay for this! Where is their contribution? Why isn’t the UN in these countries investigating all these rapes? If it is a crisis then let us get the world involved. Why does only America need to pay.


50 posted on 07/13/2014 8:48:29 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus (It doesn't matter who votes for whom, it only matters who counts the votes - Joe Stalin)
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