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Scientists: Atheists May Not Exist—Seriously
Barbwire ^ | July 15, 2014 | Alex Kocman

Posted on 07/15/2014 9:37:28 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

For some, “God doesn’t believe in atheists” is just a clever (nor not-so-clever) jab directed against the faithless in our culture. But based on the findings of secular researchers, the statement may not be so far from reality.

That is because multidisciplinary research is increasingly backing the idea that human beings are hard-wired to believe in God, according to Science 2.0 writer Nury Vittachi in an article titled, “Scientists discover that atheists might not exist, and that’s not a joke.”

“[A]theism is psychologically impossible because of the way humans think,” Vittachi cites avowed atheist Graham Lawton as writing in New Scientist. “They point to studies showing, for example, that even people who claim to be committed atheists tacitly hold religious beliefs, such as the existence of an immortal soul.”

Even atheists hold to several tacitly religious concepts, including the existence of an immortal soul, according to Lawton. The article also cites another atheist researcher who demonstrated that all people engage in internal monologue, regardless of whether the person to whom their thoughts are directed is actually present.

Equally demonstrable is the intrinsic human tendency to believe in divine justice. Vittachi describes both religious and non-religious persons as possessing the innate sense that “If I commit a sin, it is not an isolated event but will have appropriate repercussions.” This sense of cosmic justice is credited for the popular belief in “karma.”

This idea, he writes, is played out on a number of differently levels—including narrative literature, where even atheist authors invariably write stories that “exist to establish that there exists a mechanism or a person—cosmic destiny, karma, God, fate, Mother Nature—to make sure the right thing happens to the right person.”

Even the staunchest nontheists are not exempted from such habits, according to the writer. “If a loved one dies, even many anti-religious people usually feel a need for a farewell ritual, complete with readings from old books and intoned declarations that are not unlike prayers,” Vittachi writes. “In war situations, commanders frequently comment that atheist soldiers pray far more than they think they do.”

According to the writer, atheists tend to exhibit the same sociological, psychological dependence on the intangible as religious folk do, even if the former reject the existence of anything supernatural. “Statistics show that the majority of people who stop being part of organized religious groups don’t become committed atheists, but retain a mental model in which ‘The Universe’ somehow has a purpose for humanity,” says Vittachi.

While Vittachi attempts to connect all these theistic proclivities to an evolutionary source, missing one key bit of evidence: it is the biblical Christian worldview, not the secular humanist worldview, which accurately predicts a human bent towards belief in God.

In Romans 1:18-23, the apostle Paul writes that “what can be known about God is plain to them”—that is, all men—and that “his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.” He then goes so far as to state that all such people “knew God” (v. 21). The implication, thus, is that man innately assumes the existence of his Creator until he convinces himself to think otherwise.

This biblical teaching is not unique to Paul. Proverbs 9:10 says, “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding,” echoing the same sentiment of other Old Testament passages. In essence, one cannot truly possess wisdom and knowledge if one denies the essential fact of existence: that the transcendent God is the ultimate measure of reality.

While Vittachi may be a few steps short of walking down the aisle at the next altar call, the findings he describes lead to one critical conclusion: perhaps it is atheists, not God, who truly do not exist.


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1 posted on 07/15/2014 9:37:28 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.

-CS Lewis
2 posted on 07/15/2014 9:39:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly.


3 posted on 07/15/2014 9:41:13 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I don't believe in atheists.)
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To: EternalVigilance

There’s definitely no dead atheists.


4 posted on 07/15/2014 9:44:05 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (If Obama hated America and wanted to destroy her, what would he do differently?)
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To: EternalVigilance
Like that Star Trek episode, where the gunslingers were an illusion.

The key was for Spock, Kirk et al to not believe in them. Then they disappeared. But not before Spock Kirk et al kicked their bwtts.

(That was a plot flaw, though. Why and how can you kick their bwtts after you know they're not really there?)

5 posted on 07/15/2014 9:48:51 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: EternalVigilance

Bookmark


6 posted on 07/15/2014 9:49:01 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: MUDDOG

Hey, atheists fight what they say they don’t believe in all the time.


7 posted on 07/15/2014 9:50:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I don't believe in atheists.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Not surprising. Atheism is illogical anyway. The only way they could prove their belief is if they were God Himself, everywhere inside and outside the universe simultaneously. Agnostics are at least intelligent enough to admit they’re not sure. But the study indicates even agnostics are faking their uncertainty.


8 posted on 07/15/2014 9:52:48 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: EternalVigilance

Kind of like Schrödinger’s cat?


9 posted on 07/15/2014 9:55:04 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: EternalVigilance

There are degrees. Some people are simply fed up with all organized religions so claim to be atheists. Some are militant and annoying as they consider those who believe in god to be deluded. Others just mind their business. We’ll all die soon enough and find out for ourselves. Too bad everyone just can’t mind their own business. Especially Muslims.


10 posted on 07/15/2014 9:57:09 AM PDT by strider44
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To: EternalVigilance

Most atheists are simply believers who are angry with God.


11 posted on 07/15/2014 9:58:31 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Steely Tom

I had to look that up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat


12 posted on 07/15/2014 9:59:42 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I don't believe in atheists.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I think humans are hard-wired to seek causality. We have a hard time dealing with randomness and will always try to find some explanation for what happens. That gives rise to all manner of superstitions — Lady Luck, curses, angry gods — that purport to trace the source of our fortunes and misfortunes.

But the existence of God is larger than that. It is simply absurd to believe that the vast intricacies of the universe are the products of chance.


13 posted on 07/15/2014 10:00:09 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack

I think that’s right.


14 posted on 07/15/2014 10:00:57 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I don't believe in atheists.)
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To: EternalVigilance
"When a man stops believing in God he doesn’t then believe in nothing, he believes anything." (attributed to G.K. Chesterton)
15 posted on 07/15/2014 10:01:19 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: EternalVigilance

bump


16 posted on 07/15/2014 10:01:30 AM PDT by dangerdoc ((this space for rent))
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To: EternalVigilance

Interesting thought: if people are biologically religious, then the same rules on things like discrimination that apply other biologically (fill in the blank) groups must also apply to the religious/devout.

So homosexuals, for instance, can’t discriminate against the religious who refuse to bake gay wedding cakes, photograph gay wedding ceremonies, etc.


17 posted on 07/15/2014 10:02:22 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: IronJack

I always find it humorous how their belief, which they deny, finds expression in the words they use. Words like “creature,” and “hard-wired,” etc. :-)

“Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.”

:-)


18 posted on 07/15/2014 10:03:03 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I don't believe in atheists.)
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To: EternalVigilance

That’s the truth, this is about people’s guilt and the fear of being judged by God, scares the hell out of them and they are unwilling to change, so they will jut go into denial.

Love it, science to back me up on this now


19 posted on 07/15/2014 10:06:50 AM PDT by dila813
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To: tanknetter

I like your argument ... I can’t help that I won’t build this cake... I was born that way.


20 posted on 07/15/2014 10:08:55 AM PDT by willyd (I for one welcome our NSA overlords)
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To: EternalVigilance
Scientists discover that atheists might not exist, and that’s not a joke.

.......the findings he describes lead to one critical conclusion: perhaps it is atheists, not God, who truly do not exist.

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21 posted on 07/15/2014 10:17:54 AM PDT by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: ConservingFreedom

“When a man stops believing in God he doesn’t then believe in nothing, he believes in global warming.”


22 posted on 07/15/2014 10:21:07 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: EternalVigilance

ping for later.


23 posted on 07/15/2014 10:25:21 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (Not since the Civil War has the country been so ideologically divided: Americans v. "World Citizens")
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To: tanknetter

New tagline...


24 posted on 07/15/2014 10:29:51 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I can't help it. I was born again this way.)
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To: tanknetter

William Blackstone:

“Good and wise men, in all ages...have supposed, that the deity, from the relations, we stand in, to himself and to each other, has constituted an eternal and immutable law, which is, indispensably, obligatory upon all mankind, prior to any human institution whatever...This is what is called the law of nature, which, being coeval with mankind, and dictated by God himself, is, of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries at all times. No human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this; and such of them as are valid, derive all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original.”

Alexander Hamilton:

“Upon this law, depend the natural rights of mankind, the supreme being gave existence to man, together with the means of preserving and beautifying that existence. He endowed him with rational faculties, by the help of which, to discern and pursue such things, as were consistent with his duty and interest, and invested him with an inviolable right to personal liberty and personal safety.

“Hence, in a state of nature, no man has any moral power to deprive another of his life, limbs, property, or liberty; nor the least authority to command, or exact obedience from him....

“Hence also, the origin of all civil government, justly established, must be a voluntary compact, between the rulers and the ruled; and must be liable to such limitations, as are necessary for the security of the absolute rights of the latter; for what original title can any man or set of men have, to govern others, except their own consent? To usurp dominion over a people, in their own despite, or to grasp at more extensive power than they are willing to entrust, is to violate that law of nature, which gives every man the right to his personal liberty; and can, therefore, confer no obligation to obedience.”

“When human laws contradict or discountenance the means, which are necessary to preserve the essential rights of any society, they defeat the proper end of all laws, and so become null and void.”


25 posted on 07/15/2014 10:33:20 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I can't help it. I was born again this way.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I don’t believe in .atheists.


26 posted on 07/15/2014 10:40:12 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: afsnco

Most atheists just don’t like God.


27 posted on 07/15/2014 10:41:45 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: EternalVigilance

Uuuuhhh I think these “scientists” are morons. Plenty of atheists exist that don’t hold any “tacitly religious” idea. None of the atheists I know believe in the soul, partly because we all know if we did we wouldn’t be atheists.


28 posted on 07/15/2014 10:45:14 AM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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To: discostu

But you are a soul.

If you weren’t you wouldn’t be here.

It’s kinda self-evident.


29 posted on 07/15/2014 10:47:27 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I can't help it. I was born again this way.)
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30 posted on 07/15/2014 10:47:29 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: EternalVigilance

Maybe in your beliefs. I don’t see a soul here, that’s a religious non-scientific concept that’s unprovable and not useful. So I don’t believe in it, and I’m not interested in it. What’s actually self evident is that mystic beliefs rely on circular logic, another reason I have nothing to do with them.


31 posted on 07/15/2014 10:50:04 AM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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To: discostu

Kind of like the premise of the American claim to liberty and self-government, right?

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...”


32 posted on 07/15/2014 10:59:10 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I can't help it. I was born again this way.)
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To: discostu

As Christians we believe our souls are our minds, our wills, our emotions, created free, in the image and likeness of God.

What exactly do you think you are if you’re not a soul endowed with a mind, a will, and emotions?


33 posted on 07/15/2014 11:02:48 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I can't help it. I was born again this way.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Actually if you throw out the Creator part it still stands pretty well. There’s a self evident truth that people are all roughly equal, should be treated as such, and if you don’t give them a government that treats them well they will eventually over throw you.


34 posted on 07/15/2014 11:11:12 AM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Well, there are no dead atheists, that’s for sure...


35 posted on 07/15/2014 11:11:47 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: EternalVigilance

An accident of stardust...

So... what moral claim could one accident of stardust make on another?
What right would one accident of stardust have to tell another one that it is “wrong”?


36 posted on 07/15/2014 11:13:03 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

No right. No right whatsoever.


37 posted on 07/15/2014 11:15:30 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I can't help it. I was born again this way.)
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To: discostu
Actually if you throw out the Creator part it still stands pretty well

Actually, the opposite is true. Throw out "the Creator part" and it crumbles into dust.

38 posted on 07/15/2014 11:16:37 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I can't help it. I was born again this way.)
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To: discostu
There’s a self evident truth that people are all roughly equal, should be treated as such, and if you don’t give them a government that treats them well they will eventually over throw you.

You're pretty much proving the article to be correct.

39 posted on 07/15/2014 11:17:30 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I can't help it. I was born again this way.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Chemical reactions in an evolved portion of the anatomy makes up the mind and will. Emotions are primarily the result of lower portions of the mind (and even the body, and just genetic code) manipulating higher portions of the mind. The genes want to perpetuate, the body has a whole section devoted entirely to genetic immortality, the lower mind makes us fall in love so that we can acquire a breeding partner.

It’s all pretty straight forward stuff actually. Pretty well explained these days backed up by experimentation, and manipulable through drugs (both with and without supervision). Religions were designed by pre-scientific people to explain things they didn’t understand. But a lot of that stuff is very understandable now. There are identifiable chemical reactions to these things now, we can look at a brain scan and say “this guy is happy, this one is depressed, this one is in the early infatuation stage of love, this one is in the long haul comfortable partner stage”. It ain’t tough, and it ain’t mystical.


40 posted on 07/15/2014 11:19:08 AM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Not at all, there’s nothing about a soul, of mystical rewards in what I said. It’s simple understandable science. Barring birth defects and genetic oddities people come out with a range of highly predictable physical and mental attributes. AKA “equal”. Among those attributes are the ability (need actually, because physically we’re a pretty pathetic species and our survival relies heavily and clustering) to organize ourselves. And part of that ability to organize is the ability to see that the current organization sucks, time to try again. Don’t need any kind of God for that, every social animal on the planet has some form of ability to change how they’re organized.


41 posted on 07/15/2014 11:24:38 AM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Nope. Stands up fine. Because it’s built on self evident truths, and they remain self evident without mysticism. We can see that humans (and other animals) seek happiness and security. We can see that they form governments. We can see that they overthrow those governments when the government fails them. All self evident without any concept of God.


42 posted on 07/15/2014 11:26:57 AM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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To: discostu

Oh, what a happy accident.


43 posted on 07/15/2014 11:29:54 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I can't help it. I was born again this way.)
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To: discostu
Barring birth defects and genetic oddities people come out with a range of highly predictable physical and mental attributes. AKA “equal”.

The writers of the Declaration were not talking about equality of physical and mental attributes. They were asserting as self-evident truth equality of God-given, and therefore unalienable, rights.

44 posted on 07/15/2014 11:32:15 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I can't help it. I was born again this way.)
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To: discostu

Don’t you just love it when others tell you they know what you believe better than you do?


45 posted on 07/15/2014 11:37:42 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: discostu
An illustration of your argument:


46 posted on 07/15/2014 11:39:08 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

If the only counter argument you have is an insult you don’t actually have a counter argument. You really just admitted you’re wrong, that the facts and logic don’t support you.


47 posted on 07/15/2014 11:43:21 AM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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To: darkangel82
Don’t you just love it when others tell you they know what you believe better than you do?

Does this offend your sense of justice?

Why do you care?

Where did you acquire that sense?

From the article:

"...atheists tend to exhibit the same sociological, psychological dependence on the intangible as religious folk do, even if the former reject the existence of anything supernatural."

48 posted on 07/15/2014 11:43:25 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (I can't help it. I was born again this way.)
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To: discostu

Your argument has no basis except self reference.
I’m surprised that someone who inherently claims intellectual superiority can’t see the baselessness of a self-referencing argument.


49 posted on 07/15/2014 11:44:28 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: darkangel82

That’s pretty much the one thing they do that bugs me. Don’t really care if people have religion, just don’t try to tell me what I think. I don’t say “well you’re Christian therefore...”, it would be rude even though I spent some time on that side of the fence and have a pretty good grip on it.


50 posted on 07/15/2014 11:45:00 AM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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