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Shameless Scumbag Vladimir Putin Blames Ukraine for What HIS Bone-Headed Thugs Did
Reaganite Republican ^ | 18 July 2014 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 07/17/2014 9:40:41 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican

If you look up 'shameless' in the dictionary...

As a passenger liner with almost 300 people was shot-down, the Kremlin can see that this is the death for the underhanded crap they've been pulling in Ukraine, as for outside opinion anyway, they're toast.

Vlad was trained how to lie, obfuscate, and deflect by the KGB, and he's usually pretty good at it. But this one really takes the cake:

"This would not have happened if there were peace on this land ... and, certainly, the state over whose territory this occurred bears responsibility."

Oh really? Not the lowlife GBU Colonel and his Moscow mafia soldiers you armed with tanks and advanced AA weaponry? No responsibility there?

Why did he brag about it?

When he said 'don't fly in OUR sky', who was WE, Vlad?

Why did he say 'a bird fell', why would he say it that way, Vlad?

Why not "OMG, the Ukrainian government shot-down a passenger plane!!!"

THE KREMLIN started this war, THE KREMLIN is continuing this war, and THE KREMLIN's proxies shot down that airliner yesterday, while denying they had the weaponry to do so. Funny, everybody knows the Ukrainians didn't... but God Knows what SAM system Putin has sent over the border (oops, now we know).

Maybe the world will learn the hate the Russians as I -and any sensible person in the West- does... with their current regime, you'd have to be an idiot to ever believe a single word they say. And they MUST be resisted at every turn...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: mh17; plane; putin; ukraine
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1 posted on 07/17/2014 9:40:41 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: AdvisorB; ken5050; sten; paythefiddler; gattaca; bayliving; SeminoleCounty; chesley; Vendome; ...

***ping***


2 posted on 07/17/2014 9:41:32 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

not defending anyone here but it seems like flying a commercial jet over a war zone with known automated air defense systems in place is a bad idea.


3 posted on 07/17/2014 9:48:20 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Funny that the two most powerful men in the world go by the same name. The Shameless Scumbag Twins.


4 posted on 07/17/2014 9:55:40 PM PDT by lbryce (Barack Obama:Misbegotten, Bastard Offspring of Satan and Medusa.)
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To: RC one

good point. it also seems if we had someone who had the balls to stop Vlad, we would not be where we are today.

Vlad is doing what we all knew he would do and bammy is doing nothing about it.


5 posted on 07/17/2014 9:58:36 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparisons)
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To: Reaganite Republican

I keep asking... why is the WH unwilling to call Malaysia Air and ask for the passenger manifest?


6 posted on 07/17/2014 9:59:10 PM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: RC one

The plane was cleared by international traffic control for that route.

But that’s not the topic here- the Russians shot it down and are attempting to blame Kiev.

And I am resisting that-


7 posted on 07/17/2014 9:59:25 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican
And they MUST be resisted at every turn...

The US used to be the only superpower capable of keeping Russia (and the USSR) in check. Unfortunately, we're currently out to lunch.

8 posted on 07/17/2014 9:59:42 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: RC one

‘Putin says Ukraine bears responsibility ...’

Who knows? Maybe he’s right.


9 posted on 07/17/2014 10:00:07 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: txhurl

The truth is ALWAYS their enemy

And we plebes aren’t even worthy of it


10 posted on 07/17/2014 10:00:58 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican
The plane was cleared by international traffic control for that route.

In retrospect, that was probably a bad idea.

11 posted on 07/17/2014 10:01:44 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one
not defending anyone here but it seems like flying a commercial jet over a war zone with known automated air defense systems in place is a bad idea.

I'm sure there are battalions of lawyers gearing up who will agree wholeheartedly.

12 posted on 07/17/2014 10:06:07 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: RC one
over a war zone

And why is it a war zone? Did Ukraine suddenly start attacking Russia?

Golly, we haven't heard this "both sides are fighting, so both must be equally guilty" type of logic since the Zimmerman-Martin trial.


13 posted on 07/17/2014 10:07:03 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: tumblindice

Ukraine doesn’t have the weapons

AND Putin said they bear responsibility because it’s ‘over their territory’

That’s funny, I thought they considered Donetsk to be Strelkov’s and Putin’s territory just yesterday


14 posted on 07/17/2014 10:09:33 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: canuck_conservative

EXACTLY~

Putin says ‘if there was peace over this land’ while HE is the person most culpable ON EARTH for the mayhem in Ukraine!!!


15 posted on 07/17/2014 10:10:32 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: RC one

So no blame for the Kremlin?

When they give a bunch of yahoos advanced AA weaponry?


16 posted on 07/17/2014 10:11:32 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

It hurts Putin’s position to have this plane blow up.

For exactly the reason of articles like this - with this plane blowing up over Ukraine, Russia stands to be blamed for it.

And yet, Russia would gain nothing by shooting down a civilian airplane, other than the contempt of the rest of the world.

The US government, neocons, the UK government, Western banking, etc., - they all benefit from articles like this.

They want the US military to engage in Ukraine to prop up the regime in Kiev and get Ukraine to sign itself into the European Union.

If the US government and its “controllers” can use this plane blowup to rally neocon support for American military action in Ukraine, the event benefits their goals more than anyone else.

Going by who stands to benefit from the event, the finger must point at a Western-backed black op to knock this plane out of the sky over Ukraine.


17 posted on 07/17/2014 10:12:29 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Putin head psychopathy of a nation of psychopaths.


18 posted on 07/17/2014 10:12:59 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Taking a page out of the Obama playbook.


19 posted on 07/17/2014 10:17:16 PM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: PieterCasparzen

Tinfoil much?

CC


20 posted on 07/17/2014 10:17:32 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: PieterCasparzen

You do know the Russian thugs already admitted to shooting it down? You’re late with the conspiracy theory.


21 posted on 07/17/2014 10:17:57 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: PieterCasparzen

Too complicated

Occam’s Razor

Probably some separatist a-hole was drunk and fired at a plane


22 posted on 07/17/2014 10:27:07 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: PieterCasparzen
Going by who stands to benefit from the event, the finger must point at a Western-backed black op to knock this plane out of the sky over Ukraine.

Perhaps a stray Chechnyan. They build teams in a hurry over there, and what about the speculation that Putin himself was in range of the missile reported earlier?

23 posted on 07/17/2014 10:30:38 PM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Except for Strelkov bragged ON TWITTER that they’d taken a plane down when he still thought it was Ukrainian Air Force transport

Somebody told him a civilian plane was reported down and he promptly deleted it... so they did it


24 posted on 07/17/2014 10:34:05 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: KOZ.

“You do know the Russian thugs already admitted to shooting it down? You’re late with the conspiracy theory”

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Thank you, KOZ


25 posted on 07/17/2014 10:35:25 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

Once a commie always a commie


26 posted on 07/17/2014 10:45:22 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Anti American forever, anyway


27 posted on 07/17/2014 10:47:02 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: All

BTW this is the BUK missile system that took the plane down... obviously Russian or Russian proxies did this- it’s not some shoulder-mounted thing, and the system has never been sold to the Ukrainians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system


28 posted on 07/17/2014 10:48:50 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

I’m not defending anyone. I’m just making an observation.


29 posted on 07/17/2014 10:49:56 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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Somebody posted a ‘Ukraine’ link at the bottom of the BUK page, but it’s dubious with dead link and no other info on web


30 posted on 07/17/2014 10:52:24 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

That too.

Mark Levin played Reagan’s response to the Soviet shoot down in 1983 on his show today. How I miss having a President


31 posted on 07/17/2014 10:57:07 PM PDT by Nifster
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WHAT A REAL PRESIDENT LOOKS LIKE:
Ronald Reagan Adresses Nation After Russians Shoot-Down Passanger Flight KAL 007

http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/2014/07/what-real-president-looks-like-ronald.html


32 posted on 07/17/2014 10:58:43 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

Putin’s blame shifting was absolutely Obamian!


33 posted on 07/17/2014 10:59:18 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: Nifster

And Levin made an excellent point- the Russians have been shooting down planes from the same location as yesterday -3 just this week- and it IS actual Russian Air Force doing it, imho...


34 posted on 07/17/2014 10:59:57 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: PieterCasparzen
If the US government and its “controllers” can use this plane blowup to rally neocon support for American military action in Ukraine, the event benefits their goals more than anyone else. Going by who stands to benefit from the event, the finger must point at a Western-backed black op to knock this plane out of the sky over Ukraine.

You're supposed to wear the foil, not smoke crack with it.

35 posted on 07/17/2014 11:02:01 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: Reaganite Republican
Ukraine doesn’t have the weapons

Actually, Ukraine is one of about a dozen countries that SA-17 missile systems, so the Ukrainian Army does have them. And given the amount of equipment that the pro-Russian separatists have gained from capture and defection from Ukraine forces and from seizure from warehouses in eastern Ukraine, there should be no surprise that the rebels also now have Grizzly systems. But neither side stands to benefit from shooting down a passenger airliner, so the most logical explanation is that the rebels mistook the Malaysian B777 for a Ukraine Air Force transport. I believe there has been at least one recent shootdown of a UAF AN-24 over rebel territory. Cui bono?

36 posted on 07/17/2014 11:06:41 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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Here’s an interesting point/2nd angle- the Ukrianians DID have some BUKs, but the rebels took ‘em...

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a post on the official Twitter account of the Donetsk People’s Republic, and later removed, claimed that the separatists earlier had seized a missile system called Buk from the Ukrainian army, capable of downing a jet at that altitude.

“dnrpress: self-propelled Buk surface-to-air missile systems have been seized by the DNR from (Ukrainian) surface-to-air missile regiment A1402,’’ said the post.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/aviation/separatist-leader-igor-strelkov-tells-vk-a-bird-fell/story-e6frg95x-1226993041738?nk=1cc09773df43b0dbdd72aa5abce49a5c

Since the Russian Air Force seems to have shot down a Ukrainian MIG three days ago, I was convinced the Russians did this but maybe it WAS their proxy force in Donetsk after all


37 posted on 07/17/2014 11:17:06 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

Mac daddy will save the day with an extra wide red line.


38 posted on 07/17/2014 11:17:58 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: Reaganite Republican

Who was on that plane?

300 or so people died, for what?


39 posted on 07/17/2014 11:28:05 PM PDT by 80skid
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To: chiefqc

yup, right after he’s done with the fundraiser


40 posted on 07/17/2014 11:30:27 PM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: RC one
In retrospect, that was probably a bad idea.

About as dumb as giving Obama a Nobel Peace Prize. Let me guess, we are still flying commercial routes over Iraq ? Over Syria ?

Hate to break this to the World War IIIers, but Russia has already plainly stated, they will go nuclear if they have too. So don't act surprised when you see the mushroom clouds.

41 posted on 07/17/2014 11:33:28 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: justa-hairyape

Why would Russia have to go nuclear, is someone harassing Russia?


42 posted on 07/17/2014 11:35:45 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Reaganite Republican
“Shameless Scumbag Vladimir Putin”

The faster this garbage kicks the bucket, the better. It's time to take the gloves off and just make the garbage have an accident once he flies somewhere outside of his mongoloid shit hole.

43 posted on 07/17/2014 11:38:32 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Always A Marine
...so the most logical explanation is that the rebels mistook the Malaysian B777 for a Ukraine Air Force transport.

There is one problem with that. There is no way you can mistake a commercial target at over 30,000 feet for a cargo plane at 10,000 feet. Not possible. Visually there is a massive size difference and the altitude should have been displayed on the radar guidance system controls. And commercial planes, the ones flown by idiots, were traveling through that airspace at altitude throughout the day.

44 posted on 07/17/2014 11:40:06 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Quite a bit of the old soviet gear was built in the Ukraine. The Ukranians even kept the old Soviet nukes on their territory, at least for awhile.


45 posted on 07/17/2014 11:42:17 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: ansel12

Ask them. They stated it. Not me.


46 posted on 07/17/2014 11:43:04 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: justa-hairyape
There is one problem with that. There is no way you can mistake a commercial target at over 30,000 feet for a cargo plane at 10,000 feet. Not possible.

Is it possible that Putin provided these weapons to people who aren't as competent as you assume them to be?

47 posted on 07/17/2014 11:43:28 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: luvbach1

You got that right.

48 posted on 07/17/2014 11:48:51 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: justa-hairyape
Hate to break this to the World War IIIers, but Russia has already plainly stated, they will go nuclear if they have too. So don't act surprised when you see the mushroom clouds.

They aren't going nuclear.

49 posted on 07/17/2014 11:50:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Tau Food
They had not shot down any planes the previous few days. So I guess they just had a bad hair day ? Unless of course you believe Putin rode a live bear across the border and jumped on the missile truck firing station and fired the missile himself.

Look people, this is the start of World War III. We are already over a year into it thanks to the corrupt cronies running the US into the ground. Expect more bad. And I think they did not care what kind of plane that was. No will they in the future. Who ever shot it down. Just listen to their own words. Must have been spies then.

50 posted on 07/17/2014 11:53:15 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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