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Golden Rice: GMO "Super Gruel" for the Masses
Land Destroyer ^ | 7-16-2014

Posted on 07/19/2014 6:58:29 AM PDT by Renfield

July 16, 2014 (LocalOrg) - Corporate biotechnology monopolies like Monsanto, Syngenta, Bayer, and others have met increasing resistance to their attempts to patent and control global agriculture. They have spent untold fortunes attempting to sway the public but to no avail. Local, organic agriculture is growing in popularity and proliferating across all social-strata. The introduction of technology to automate and augment organic farming is making it as competitive and accessible or more so than the capital-intensive models of monopoly employed by big-ag. 

In response, big-ag has attempted several distasteful public relation stunts, including "super bananas for Africa" and "Golden Rice" to allegedly feed Asia's poor.

They claim these initiatives are purely altruistic. Business Insider in its article, "A Miracle Rice Could Save Millions Of Lives," claims: 

Golden Rice, once it is widely released, will be much more cost-effective, as agricultural economist Alexander Stein has shown. Despite common misconceptions, no one stands to get rich when poor farmers start growing Golden Rice. Instead, it will represent a fundamentally different approach, an embodiment of the old "teach a man to fish" adage.
Business Insider's source? Big-ag giant Syngenta and the "Golden Rice Humanitarian Board." The board, of course, is stacked with big-ag-funded "NGOs," USAID representatives, and representatives of big-ag itself. The board represents the revolving door between corporate monopolies and big-government - and their combined efforts to use every means necessary to advance their collective self-interests.  

Contrary to their claims of altruism, the initial profit of selling the rice to farmers will be immense. Posing as an act of charity will secure taxpayer subsidized funding from governments around the world to "feed the children." 

Once the genetically engineered rice is being grown, big-ag herbicide, pesticide, and chemical fertilizer regiments will reap billions more, all likely to be subsidized as well - diverting state resources away from traditional, localized, and more effective nutritional and agricultural development programs.  


There is also another profit to be made, one not of money directly, but in terms of public perception. Using the Trojan Horse of  "charity" to proliferate genetically modified crops that are otherwise wholly rejected around the world, will constitute big-ag's "foot in the door" in gaining wider acceptance for their monopolizing and destructive business model. 

The very name, "Golden Rice Humanitarian Board" reflects the frequent ploy of inserting "humanitarian" anywhere exploitation and human rights are being violated the most. The "humanitarian war" for instance, is a term used to sell unpopular extraterritorial military aggression. For big-ag, "humanitarian crops" are used to push unpopular and dangerous biotech products on the planet's most vulnerable people.  

Don't You Want to Save the Children?
The paid-for narrative of big-ag's lobbying efforts to push Golden Rice revolves around portraying anti-GMO activists opposing the scheme as wanting to "starve children." The simplistic propaganda ploy is as dishonest as it is insulting. The very concept of relieving suffering throughout the developing world with a monoculture of genetically altered "super gruel" at face value is both undignified and untenable.

In Thailand for instance, one of the world's leading producers of rice, those who grow rice - and would potentially grow Golden Rice - do so for the sole purpose of selling it. They do indeed consume part of their annual harvest - but the species they grow are determined by market demand.  Not only is there no demand for genetically modified rice species, nor will there ever be, Golden Rice contaminating the thousands of varieties of native, organic rice species Asia's rice farmers do depend on for their livelihood would be an immeasurable catastrophe. 

Tainting native species, however, will be a boom for big-ag - opening a door that cannot be closed again and inviting the rest of its business model into markets it was previously restricted from. Consumers unable to avoid genetically modified rice would have no choice but to accept it, along with other genetically modified products. This is the truth behind the tangibly desperate drive to push Golden Rice through. 

Additionally, encouraging people to sustain themselves on a single crop is irresponsibly dangerous - with the practice of monoculture farming already responsible for miring thousands in debt when their single crop fails or market fluctuations make their single crop unprofitable. For farmers already existing along the edge of poverty and debt, depending on a single crop multiplies, not hedges the potential for disaster.

At every juncture big-ag claims its products are for the benefit of the impoverished, starving, and those who till the land. But today, most farmers still scratch a living at the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum - particularly those who regularly buy into big-ag's various monopolies over seeds, fertilizer, herbicides and pesticides.

How to Really Feed the Poor 

As Greenpeace and Grain.org have noted, the solution to malnutrition can be as simple as having farmers diversity their crops and for rural populations to grow their own personal or community gardens.

Greenpeace stated in a statement on Golden Rice that:
...a range of projects, such as ecologically farmed home and community gardens, that increase access to healthy and varied diets can eradicate not only VAD, but simultaneously tackle other nutrient deficiencies. Ecological farming can in fact better contribute to healthy and diverse diets by empowering people to access and produce their own healthy and varied food, which is the real long-lasting solution populations affected by VAD need.

Grain.org reported in a paper titled, "Grains of delusion: Golden rice seen from the ground," that: 
IRRI says that the Green Revolution may have actually increased malnutrition among the poor. Consumption of vegetables in most Asian countries has remained stagnant since the Green Revolution and vegetable prices have increased in both real and relative terms. In India, annual rice and wheat production has more than tripled from pre-Green Revolution levels. On the other hand, household consumption of vegetables has dropped 12 percent over the last two decades. Pulse and legume consumption is down even more and is becoming more and more costly, and malnutrition remains high.

Monoculture farming for a globalized economy renders entire nations as producers for markets beyond their borders leaving less room and resources to cultivate what is needed for local populations. Net exporters are generally so because they work and sell for far less than nations that import goods. 

Not only do community gardens and diversifying crops give farmers and the impoverished access to a more varied and dignified diet, it opens the door to polyculture - the growing of more than one crop for both personal consumption and for additional income. Organic polyculture is promoted in Thailand by the head of state as part of a national self-sufficiency program and those that practice both self-sufficiency and sustainable economic growth, avoid both the pitfalls of debt and the dangers of monoculture farming. 

Education is also key. Raising awareness as to what causes malnutrition and how to prevent it will raise the demand for a variety of fruits and vegetables giving farmers added incentives to diversify their crops. It will also produce the political impetus to pursue other pragmatic solutions, such as community gardens and networks of local farmers' markets.  

Ultimately, if immense amounts of government funding must be spent to solve global malnutrition, why not spend it on initiatives that will give the poor access to the same variety and dignity in diet that the rest of the world enjoys? Why insist on an expensive, risky, and proven dangerous genetically modified monoculture model that will essentially feed the poor "GMO super gruel" instead? The benefits for big-ag and perpetuating their immense and unwarranted power over global agriculture is clear - so are the dangers and exploitation faced by the impoverished poor these monolithic corporations are pretending to help. 


TOPICS: Agriculture; Food; Gardening
KEYWORDS: food; foodsupply; gmos; rice; syngenta
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I raise a large garden and produce most of my own fruits and vegetables. After a recent spate of health problems, I decided to place myself on a very restriced diet; and among other things, I stopped eating all grain products...no wheat, rice, corn, barley, rye, or oats. I've lost 12 pounds in three weeks, feel better than I've felt in years, and my allergies -- from which I have suffered severely for almost 50 years -- have virtually disappeared!
1 posted on 07/19/2014 6:58:29 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield
I stopped eating all grain products

Part of the perfect diet - No sugar, no grains, no processed foods.

2 posted on 07/19/2014 7:05:11 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Renfield

Cue the Kanamits


3 posted on 07/19/2014 7:05:45 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: Renfield

I raise a large garden as well. However, Golden Rice is a very good product for 3rd worlders. Greenpeace is a bunch of commies bastards. I put anyone who is against something like golden rice in the same category as the idiots who pushed to outlaw DDT. Comfortable, well fed people should not be making decisions for less fortunate countries.


4 posted on 07/19/2014 7:09:03 AM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: Renfield
How very, very *nice* for you!!

And the third world should starve?

I'm so sick and tired of GMO KOOKS.

The fact is, Monsanto has saved more lives than Hitler murdered. They save more lives than we kill every day in America in abortuaries.

You are part of the affluent First World. You'll likely never know what it is like to go hungry unless your Guru tells you to fast. But getting beta carotene into the diets of millions who don't otherwise get it means that hundreds of thousands will *live* and millions will keep their eyesight.

It's a diet which is by no means perfect, but the people hungry in Asia don't care much about your waistline.

5 posted on 07/19/2014 7:09:14 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: ExpatGator
Yeh! See my post below. I grow a garden, I eat local, I am a foodie who loves to cook and eat. I try to limit processed food, and am always exploring new adventures in cuisine.

That doesn't mean I'm disconnected by the harsher realities in other parts of the world.

Monsanto is a HERO. I wish I could point to Golden Rice as something I had done for my fellow man.

6 posted on 07/19/2014 7:11:45 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Great post Mamzelle and to the point!!

I could stand up and cheer!!


7 posted on 07/19/2014 7:12:23 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Mamzelle

If it’s so good for them, let them grow and eat it, then.


8 posted on 07/19/2014 7:15:48 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Renfield

Golden Rice is People!


9 posted on 07/19/2014 7:20:02 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Renfield

Good for you, I am glad you have discovered what was ailing you. I have been extremely allergic to corn and wild rice (a grass seed) all of my life. Recently I have been having trouble after eating wheat. I do eat rice, however with no problem (so far).


10 posted on 07/19/2014 7:21:13 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Star Traveler
And the kooks at Greenpeace, who probably tilt a joyful glass at every late-term abortion, might shut up and get out of the way. It is not possible for most Asians to grow a personal garden with heirloom vegetables--

The more I read about about Golden Rice, the more admiring I am of the scientists that brought it about. The rice still needs some fat for the vitamins to be metabolized, but there will be fewer blind people and reduced mortality.

Of course, the liberals hate for people to live. They like better to decide who gets to live, and who gets to die. Reduces the stress on the planet. I think that's the real MO--reducing the population. Doesn't Melinda Gates donate to Greenpeace?

11 posted on 07/19/2014 7:21:47 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Renfield

>> I’ve lost 12 pounds in three weeks,

People in the third world don’t celebrate a loss of 12 pounds in 3 weeks. They die from that. Third worlders would love to have a “wheat belly”. First World problems are not Third World problems.


12 posted on 07/19/2014 7:23:38 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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To: Mamzelle

Well said, ma’am.


13 posted on 07/19/2014 7:25:55 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Mamzelle

3rd world doesn’t mean hungry. In most places where rice is a staple they have plenty. Shortages are usually caused by government intervention or outright theft.


14 posted on 07/19/2014 7:31:44 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Mamzelle

The environmental movement is about reducing the impact of humans on the earth. Mass starvation is a way to accomplish the ultimate goal.


15 posted on 07/19/2014 7:33:01 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Mamzelle

Bill and Melinda Gates are some of the biggest cheerleaders of GMO crops.

Possibly only a little behind Warren Buffet and George Soros.

All of the above are rabidly interested in population control as well.

Make of that what you will.


16 posted on 07/19/2014 7:33:56 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Renfield

And so you’re spreading this communist bullshit responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of Americans? If ever there was a face of pure, unadulterated evil in the world, it’s that of these left-wing organizations leading innumerable people to horrible deaths so they can pat themselves on the back for associating their genocidal behaviors with “good eating.”


17 posted on 07/19/2014 7:39:42 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Black Agnes

You mean GMOs’ are going to wipe out the masses before Chemtrails? Who knew? Anyone got any spare tinfoil?


18 posted on 07/19/2014 7:40:36 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

Which of my statements is untrue?

All the aforementioned people are vociferous supporters of GMO crops.

All of the aforementioned people are rabidly pro population control.

Refute without insults, if you can.


19 posted on 07/19/2014 7:41:35 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Why are the big as companies seeking total control over the food supply and production?


20 posted on 07/19/2014 7:45:03 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Because they alone can ensure everyone is adequately fed with the ‘right’ foods.


21 posted on 07/19/2014 7:46:47 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: artichokegrower

Why do you feel a government and global corporate monopoly on food is admirable?


22 posted on 07/19/2014 7:47:23 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Black Agnes

Sarcasm?

They can also ensure only the right people have food.


23 posted on 07/19/2014 7:48:11 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Sorry, forgot the /s on that.

Both are accurate statements.


24 posted on 07/19/2014 7:49:27 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Mamzelle
I'm so sick and tired of GMO KOOKS.

The fact is, Monsanto has saved more lives than Hitler murdered. They save more lives than we kill every day in America in abortuaries.

You are part of the affluent First World. You'll likely never know what it is like to go hungry unless your Guru tells you to fast.

Amen brother. Amen.

25 posted on 07/19/2014 7:52:03 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

Then why are the rabidly pro population control billionaires, including the ones who support involuntary sterilization, also the ones promoting GMO crops?


26 posted on 07/19/2014 7:55:25 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: driftdiver
That's a very good point that you brought up. Dictators and communists use crop destruction and confiscation as a method to cull the peasants, and make the survivors more compliant. Burning crops, killing livestock, and salting the earth are time honored traditions of warlords and rulers since time immortal. GMO staples are a way to help get a people back on their feet in the aftermath of a previous catastrophe as noted above, but at some point their diet does need to be diversified.
27 posted on 07/19/2014 7:56:58 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Black Agnes
Bill Gates has donated money to the International Maize and Wheat Improvement Center in Mexico - which Norman Borlaug had a in hand in starting. As far as I'm concerned, Gates is doing God's work in donating money to that Center. Without it and without its main founder, Normal Borlaug, literally millions, if not billions, of people would have died of starvation in the last 70 years.

So when Gates donates money to an entity that indisputably has saved millions of lives, that should reflect well on him instead of reflecting poorly on entity saving lives.

28 posted on 07/19/2014 7:59:49 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: driftdiver

I don’t get the corporate or government monopoly of food. I’ve worked in agriculture for the last 37 years and every year I am exposed to an increasing pool of ag product suppliers. Monsanto Round-up came off patent several years ago and there are dozens of generic glyphosate products on the market. The protection of intellectual property when it comes to seed is no different than patents on software or copy rights on music. There would be no incentive for research and development without and economic return. The patent on Golden Rice was voluntarily rescinded as a humanitarian gesture.


29 posted on 07/19/2014 8:00:13 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: vbmoneyspender

Then explain that, in light of the fact that Bill Gates also supports involuntary sterilization in the 3rd world.

I’m sure the right hand supports adequate food so that those 3rd worlders have big healthy 3rd world families while the left hand supports involuntary sterilization because there are ‘too many people’.


30 posted on 07/19/2014 8:01:58 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
Go ahead and educate yourself about the greatest American of the 20th century: Norman Borlaug. And then get back to me about one world conspiracy theories.
31 posted on 07/19/2014 8:01:58 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

I know exactly who Norman Borlaug is.

I also know his funding came from the Rockefellers.

Who were also rabid population control wackjobs.


32 posted on 07/19/2014 8:02:37 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Renfield

Monsanto and the rest of big ag are an example of fascism in the US and the world. They sue farmers whos crops are pollinated by wind of nearby GMO crops, and fight like hell any attempt to lablel gmo’s- forced into our food without proper testing. And the gov’t plays right along

Tremendous advancement has been made in crop efficiency, all by virtue of natural hybid tech. Once gmo’s are involved with patent rights involved, the “charity” of the super ag corporations becomes highly questionable.

It is amazing how many self proclaimd conservatives play right along with the gov’t/big ag aliance.


33 posted on 07/19/2014 8:10:00 AM PDT by quimby
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To: Black Agnes
Who were also rabid population control wackjobs.

Yeah, 'wackjobs' who funded a guy who saved a billion lives.

There's certainly a wackjob involved in this argument but I'm pretty sure it isn't people who were involved in helping Norman Borlaug save a billion lives.

34 posted on 07/19/2014 8:10:09 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

You didn’t refute the Rockefeller involvement in population control.

Explain their interest in population control with ‘saving a billion lives’.


35 posted on 07/19/2014 8:19:27 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: ExpatGator

“I raise a large garden as well. However, Golden Rice is a very good product for 3rd worlders. “

Except it has never been tested for the promotion of cancer or any other human consequence.

“Greenpeace is a bunch of commies bastards.

Crony capitalists are as bad or worse.

“I put anyone who is against something like golden rice in the same category as the idiots who pushed to outlaw DDT. Comfortable, well fed people should not be making decisions for less fortunate countries.

I will add the crony big ag folks to your list - who use political graft to force this untested food onto the third world while raking in money.


36 posted on 07/19/2014 8:23:01 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: Mamzelle

“The fact is, Monsanto has saved more lives than Hitler murdered.”

I’d love to see cites of studies backing up that opinion...


37 posted on 07/19/2014 8:24:56 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Seriously? You’ve never heard of the Green Revolution?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/14/business/energy-environment/14borlaug.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


38 posted on 07/19/2014 8:33:25 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Here is Norman Borlaug talking about the support Monsanto has given to rice and wheat research - Norman Borlaug speech
39 posted on 07/19/2014 8:40:54 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: factoryrat

However the government controls the gmo staples and are heavily influenced by the global food companies.

They have no interest in actually helping people.


40 posted on 07/19/2014 8:42:27 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: artichokegrower

Why are they restrictions seeds in Europe and trying to regulate back yard gardens here in the us.


41 posted on 07/19/2014 8:48:06 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer
I have some friends who have gone off the deep end with this GMO and an unhealthy and hypochondriacal obsession with what goes in their mouths.

First of all, they never accept (because they're so high on the emotionalism of GMO cookery) that wheat is not GMO--at least no wheat that is made into flour in the US. Flour may not be the best thing for you as a big part of your diet, but not because it's GMO.

42 posted on 07/19/2014 8:50:11 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

“I grow a garden, I eat local, I am a foodie who loves to cook and eat. I try to limit processed food”

So in other words you avoid GMO like the plague. :-)


43 posted on 07/19/2014 8:53:25 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I’ll eat untested food, as *you* categorize it, if I’m starving to death. It is part of the idiocy of the GMO kooks that they cannot distinguish between the food snobbery of the West and the starvation that used to be much more prevalent in the Third World.


44 posted on 07/19/2014 8:53:33 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Black Agnes
Melinda also bought out the Rotary Club's decades-long foray into preventing polio so she could take credit for eradicating polio. It's all about advanced pathological narcissism and Melinda is crazy as a bedbug and thinks she's some kind of Empress of the World. It doesn't mean preventing polio is a bad thing, but she has also sworn to reduce the population by a billion people--and she has 45 Billion dollars--

Golden Rice is better than no Golden Rice, GMO or not. People will not go blind who would otherwise have gone blind. People will live who will otherwise have died. Maybe they'll be subject to a wheat belly or a cancer risk when they hit their sixties---but they'll have lived to their sixties. Next problem--Gates Foundation promotes abortion while pretending that they are not promoting abortion…

45 posted on 07/19/2014 9:00:54 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Georgia Girl 2
It happens to be easy when you cook. The meat I eat is probably fed on GMO corn. I do use canola oil when I want to use canola oil.

Interestingly, most of the GMO kooks I know can't cook, or won't learn. Too much work. I've tried to explain that if they prepare their own food instead of whining and wailing when they insist on eating all the time in restaurants, they'd avoid this "poison" they're so afraid of. I won't eat salads at restaurants very often because I know that salads are raw, and vulnerable to poor hygiene. But my GMO nut acquaintances won't eat anything but salads.

I also cannot persuade them that sweet corn is not GMO.

It's my personal theory that our present obesity, particularly among young people, has to do with the widespread use of birth control pills, and the consequent exposure of people to estrogens not present in the environment fifty years ago. It's as good a theory as any.

46 posted on 07/19/2014 9:08:02 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Look up recent research into something called mRNAi.

I personally no longer trust GMO foods. Yes, the population may be fed today, who knows what sort of epigenetic changes are being induced that might well affect the fertility of subsequent generations.

My distrust of GMO stems directly from those who are promoting it so rabidly. And that they are pretty much all equally rabidly promoting population control by any means possible.


47 posted on 07/19/2014 9:08:16 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Mamzelle
I'm so sick and tired of GMO KOOKS.

I used to be of that opinion. After doing a lot of research, I'm not anymore. I avoid GMO foods. I also don't like the fact that because companies like Monsanto now OWN their GMO seed as a new kind of seed, they can charge farmers for it every year. Farmers no longer own the seeds they plant, and they can't harvest seed from their own crops. Don't let the fact that some nutty leftist groups oppose GMO food sway you, as it did me at first.


48 posted on 07/19/2014 9:08:36 AM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: driftdiver
Why are the big as companies seeking total control over the food supply and production?

The big seed tech companies don't control anything except their own patents. They develop new varieties using a variety of methods, including but not limited to gene splicing. They then commercialize and sell what farmers want to buy. Farmers, in turn, want to plant what their customers wish to buy. Most corn and soybeans are destined for animal feed, and feed manufacturers and animal feeders want high quality inputs at the lowest possible cost. GMO's boost productivity and lower costs. This is what drives GMO's.

At what point in this straightforward process does the evil conspiracy come in?

I have nothing against organic producers as long as they don't make false claims. Unfortunately, there is a radical fringe that poisons the discussion. Organics are generally significantly more expensive than their conventional counterparts. This is why "organic" still only commands 1-2% of the U.S. market, despite endless hype. This frustrates the activists, who respond by trying to demonize conventional agriculture. This is a form of consumer fraud; it is intended to gull people into paying much higher prices for a product that is no better, and is in some respects inferior, based on dishonest scare stories about the competition. I hope some future administration unleashes the FTC consumer fraud unit against the professional liars.

As for myself, I vote with my wallet, as should you. When I see "organic" on the label, I immediately check the unit price, and then compare. I prefer not to be fleeced by hucksters. YMMV.

49 posted on 07/19/2014 9:18:43 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: vbmoneyspender

I am glad to hear of genuine, authentic philanthropy coming from the Gates Foundation. Unfortunately, they are up to a lot of pernicious behavior as well, and still need to be observed. They are tied very closely to Warren Buffett, who has been exposed as a pro-abortion extremist with his “charities.”


50 posted on 07/19/2014 9:20:43 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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