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The reason why Israel destroyed the Hamas tunnels: they are perfect to launch a WMD attack
one man's opinion...

Posted on 07/21/2014 6:58:53 AM PDT by ken5050

Israel has moved forces into the Gaza strip, in response to the thousands of rockets that Hamas has launched into Israel; and also to degrade the tunnel network under Israeli soil. Hamas terrorists have emerged from the tunnels to kill and/or kidnap Israeli civilians, and IDF troops. But I suspect there's another, more compelling reason.


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Anyone who follows the news from the middle east is aware that there is a large amount of NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) stuff floating around the area...and much of it no doubt is already in the terrorists' hands, and they are itching to produce, and use... some form of WMD.

We saw the other day how a quantity of radioactive material "vanished from an Iraqi research facility. While not fissionable....it can't be used for a nuclear device..it is absolutely perfect for a dirty weapon.

What the terrorists lack is a viable, and reliable delivery system. They can't just stick it on the end of one of Hamas' missiles...even if the device worked..which itself is highly unlikely...as the Hamas rockets are unguided..even if they survived Israel's "Iron Dome"..there is no probability they would hit a viable target.

But Hamas does possess the perfect, low tech, WMD delivery system..the tunnel network.

Imagine a terrorist suicide squad ( dressed in IDF uniforms)..emerging from a tunnel in a populated area..and releasing a chemical or biological weapon..or dispersing radioactive material.

Think of the deaths, and even worse..of the impact it would make on the civilian population.

The fact that Israel acted right now to take down the tunnel network makes one wonder if they feared an imminent attack...if they had some indication that the terrorists were planning something.

And given that Obama has once again caved to Iran...postponing any "resolution" about their nuclear program unlit AFTER the mid terms...one also wonders if this means that an Israeli strike..similar to the Osirik raid in 1981 that destroyed Saddam's nuclear site..is imminent.

1 posted on 07/21/2014 6:58:53 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: ken5050

That’s only one reason. A big one, but yet only one. Is there a reason to leave them intact?


2 posted on 07/21/2014 7:00:14 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Tunneling Mines has been a part of war for centuries. It was done during the Civil war and WW I.


3 posted on 07/21/2014 7:02:28 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: ken5050

Israel doesn’t need a reason to destroy any tunnel it finds that it didn’t know anything about. The only reason ANY Palestinian would need a tunnel for is TERRORISM. Nuke each hole. It’s the only way to be sure.


4 posted on 07/21/2014 7:03:08 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

I like that idea!


5 posted on 07/21/2014 7:06:08 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: ken5050

One way to obtain a few IDF uniforms (for ferrying a bus loaded with WMD or an ambulance) is to snatch IDF soldiers then process their uniforms for terrorist use. It has been done again and again, tot he point that once a military maneuver is launched special ID is required for all facing the enemy. BTW, the tunnels are excellent means to pop up and snatch IDF or just hostages.


6 posted on 07/21/2014 7:07:23 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: ken5050

I think they just want to stop Hamas from smuggling anything (or anyone) in or out of the Gaza Strip, and destroying the tunnels is the key to doing that.


7 posted on 07/21/2014 7:08:50 AM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: Olog-hai

Kerry makes mic gaffe on Gaza
AFP
4 hours ago

Washington (AFP) - US Secretary of State John Kerry appeared to criticize Israel in candid remarks caught on an open microphone between television interviews Sunday.
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appearing on the “Fox News Sunday” political talk show.

“I hope they don’t think that’s an invitation to go do more,” Kerry says. “That better be the warning to them.”

A frustrated Kerry then says: “It’s a hell of a pinpoint operation, it’s a hell of a pinpoint operation,” in apparent frustration over the civilian toll in the Israeli operation.


8 posted on 07/21/2014 7:14:56 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: ken5050

I suspect that the tunnels hold lots of rockets and other munitions.


9 posted on 07/21/2014 7:15:47 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: ken5050

The conflicts between Hamas and Israel remind of “Groundhog Day”. Hamas usually starts the conflict and then Israel responds. When Hamas starts to run low on Rockets they agree to some kind of U.S. Sponsored Cease Fire with the assistance of some Arab countries. Then everybody retreats to their previous positions and all is quiet for sevral months or perhaps a year and then it starts all over again and this cycle has repeated itself many times over the last 2 decades. At some point in time, Israel is going to have to kill all the Hamas Militants,their government and military leaders and cut off all supply of arms if this cycle is going to end. The U.S. needs to quit reigning in Israel and help them finish the job.


10 posted on 07/21/2014 7:17:39 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: ken5050

Do they need a reason to destroy them other than they belong to Hamas and they stretch from Gaza into Israel?


11 posted on 07/21/2014 7:21:17 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: ken5050

There is a factor I simply don’t comprehend about the border tunnels both in Israel and the US southern border:

In WWI both sides were able to detect tunneling quite easily with the tech at the time. Today, it can easily be done remotely.

While I’d understand if it weren’t discussed publicly by the Israelis, I’m half wondering if they know where ALL of the tunnels are and, as you assert, may have had tangible intel on which to act.

On the other, it’s patently obvious the will to act to detect & interdict the US southern border tunnels is lacking...on any level. Or, perhaps, this ‘bum rush’ to the border is a symptom that their detection is better than publicly discussed (the idea that this ‘crisis’ is engineered in part by the cartels to facilitate their drug smuggling).

Very interesting, nonetheless.


12 posted on 07/21/2014 7:23:53 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: ken5050

Why fall for the left’s WMD fetish?

The tunnel are:

1. unauthorized border intrusions.
2. the work product of sworn enemies of Israel.
3. not permitted or inspected by the local authoritis.

Any one of those 3 points are reason enough to destroy the tunnels. Heck even the Obama administration destroys tunnels from Mexico into the US.


13 posted on 07/21/2014 7:30:34 AM PDT by JLS
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To: ken5050

The Israelis could use a simple system to get rid of tunnels quickly—similar to systems long used in the US to get rid of moles and gophers.

In the US, gaseous propane (heavier than air) is sprayed into a hold, then an igniter is inserted into the hole and !pop!, not only are the moles and gophers killed, but the walls and ceilings of the tunnels collapse.

A decidedly low tech way of doing this in Hamas tunnels would be to rig a heavy truck with a horizontal propane tank, with its nozzle pointing down into a wide hose going into a tunnel entrance, and a medium quick release valve. (It cannot fully release all at once, or it would lift the truck off the ground.)

And then pitch in a hand grenade.

In World War II, the US Marines did a similar trick by rolling 55 gallon drums full of gasoline into Japanese tunnels, followed by a grenade, but that was as much oxygen stealing fire as it was explosion.

In this case, just a three step process. Park the truck, run the hose in, turn on the propane, move the truck away, and toss in the grenade. Very quick and cost efficient.

The only modification it might need would be if it is suspected that large amounts of explosives are in the tunnels. When you want to insure that everything in the tunnel is burned to a crisp, not just buried, you would use a thermobaric weapon. It would be much the same as the propane, but burn much hotter and longer.


14 posted on 07/21/2014 7:57:20 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: massgopguy

It was done against castles in the Middle ages and against city walls in Biblical times.


15 posted on 07/21/2014 8:02:53 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

The only way to end it and the one way that absolutely will not be undertaken is to remove all the Moslems from Gaza. Give them a choice- Egypt or the sea. If done it would also have the salutary effect of suppressing all thoughts of mayhem among the Judaea-Samaria arab population for a time.


16 posted on 07/21/2014 8:06:51 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy; ken5050

You got to wonder HOW and through which route channels the rockets and other arms ends up in the hands of Hamas. The surveillance should not be that too difficulty for this very small land piece???

Rothschild’s’ fingerprints!!!???!!!


17 posted on 07/21/2014 8:09:10 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: logi_cal869

Engineered by the cartels with the acquiescence or even blessing of the kenyan administration or perhaps positive aid as is apparent with the kenyan administration advertising US welfare in Central America and instructing invaders how to make the trip safely and arranging with Mexico for easier passage on the train roofs.


18 posted on 07/21/2014 8:10:03 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: JLS

Code Enforcement?


19 posted on 07/21/2014 8:10:38 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: JLS; ken5050

Yesterday heard on Huckabee that concrete to build “Schools” were used for the tunnels instead, hmmm!!!


20 posted on 07/21/2014 8:13:31 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: arthurus

Only one problem with that scenario. Egypt doesn’t want them and wont accept them.


21 posted on 07/21/2014 9:01:41 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

You don’t give Egypt a choice. You constrict the space in Gaza until the palies have the choice of forcing the border into Sinai or going swimming. Let the Egyptians deal with them. Much of the problem exists because the Egyptians refused to deal with them in 1948.


22 posted on 07/21/2014 9:11:05 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: logi_cal869

Wonder as well. How do that transport that much soil out and re-enforcement material in without someone noticing.

If not re-enforced then should be real easy to make them collapse


23 posted on 07/21/2014 9:55:41 AM PDT by Bailee
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