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WI: Bats Fail: 70-Year-Old Uses Revolver to stop Pit Bull Attack
Gun Watch ^ | 24 July, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 07/24/2014 4:30:50 AM PDT by marktwain

Dennis Williams, above, did not hesitate to intervene to save a man being attacked by three pit bulls.  The event was reported on July 21, 2014, in Washington County, Wisconsin.


Mr Williams is in his 70s.  He heard screams for help outside his house and saw a man on the ground being viciously attacked by three Pit Bulls.   He grabbed two baseball bats from his garage, and started hitting the animals with the bats.  It wasn't enough.   He retrieved a pistol, and started back toward the scene.   The animals started advancing on him.  He shot and killed one dog and the others retreated.   From TMJ4:

"I will never forget seeing that attack, or hearing the screams," Williams says. "It was one of the worst things I've ever witnessed. The dogs were on top of the man and his dog. They were not going to stop. I first tried hitting the Pit Bulls with a baseball bat, but they wouldn't relent. There was blood all over the ground."
 

 The revolver used to stop the attack appears to be an Iver Johnson .22.  Perhaps an alert reader can make a more positive identification.  Guns are common in Wisconsin.  



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1 posted on 07/24/2014 4:30:50 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I had a run in with one of these foul beasts and whacking it in the head with a shovel was NOT enough...

Took several shots from a 1911 ...boom boom boom boom ...nice doggie.

The order needs to go out, all Pitts to be destroyed, a felony to harbor one. What’s next? Lions as pets?


2 posted on 07/24/2014 4:36:50 AM PDT by Bobalu (Israel is the most long-suffering and peace loving nation on Earth.)
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To: marktwain
Isn't it amazing that only pit bull owners abuse their dogs to the point of making them vicious? < /sarcasm>

In before the pit bull apologists.

3 posted on 07/24/2014 4:39:09 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: marktwain; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; JPG; ..

Washington County man saves neighbor from pit bull attack with baseball bats and gun.


4 posted on 07/24/2014 4:39:49 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: marktwain

Seems like the hard part would be shooting the dog without hitting the victim too.


5 posted on 07/24/2014 4:48:19 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Bobalu

A Pitt Bull just saved the life of a deaf boy and was known as a gentle house pet. Dogs are generally what you make of them, but beware when they run loose in packs. Same goes for humans.


6 posted on 07/24/2014 4:52:07 AM PDT by Boomer One
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To: Bobalu

even a shovel not enough? wow


7 posted on 07/24/2014 4:52:16 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: marktwain

I’m a little surprised a .22 stopped a pit bull in full rage.


8 posted on 07/24/2014 4:52:52 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: circlecity
Seems like the hard part would be shooting the dog without hitting the victim too

Yet it can be done - A good 15 years ago, a little girl was being mauled by a pit bull somwhere in SW Atlanta (I forget exactly where, but a black neighborhood) and a neighbor went into his house and got a .357 shot and killed the dog. The dog owner - a woman - who had been previously watching her dog tear into the child without doing anything ran and attacked the guy who shot the dog screaming "Don't hurt my dog." So he shot her too. She was not fatally injured, and ended up seving a six month jail sentence for assault on the guy who shot her dog. More proof (as if any more were needed) that pit bull owners can be totally irrational about their pets.

9 posted on 07/24/2014 4:55:26 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: RoosterRedux

Shot placement is king.


10 posted on 07/24/2014 4:57:02 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Boomer One

The Chihuahua is Notorious for attacking humans,like swarms of killer Bees.
Poodles also.


11 posted on 07/24/2014 5:02:55 AM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: circlecity
Yep. I found myself in that situation. Heard a god awful noise. A Pit Bull had a neighbor's dog in his mouth and would alternate between shaking it and pinning it to the ground.

I grabbed a .357 (never shot anything besides targets before). Not wanting to possibly blast the other dog ( a smallish Beagle type mutt), I put three rounds into the dog about midway down the back.

The dog, (I'll never forget the look on it's face), dropped the Beagle and was looking around like what the hell just happened, but it was still mobile.

Another neighbor, a off duty cop, then vetillated the dog's ribcage with 7 9mm rounds. The dog then expired.

Three .357 rounds and the dog was still mobile. Keep that in mind. Shot placement is crucial. Since he had the other dog pinned , that ruled out the forward part of the dog, that why I chose from the top, back portion. The ribcage was too risky imho opinion at first, once he dropped the Beagle, the other neighbor had a free unobstructed target.

12 posted on 07/24/2014 5:05:16 AM PDT by csvset
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To: marktwain

Like pit bulls or not they are the favored dog of drug dealers and are most popular in black areas.


13 posted on 07/24/2014 5:12:23 AM PDT by kenmcg (b)
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To: Boomer One

I notice that the man attacked had his dog with him. Pitts are notorious for attacking other dogs.

As you say, when dogs are on the loose, and there is more than one of them, pack mentality takes over.


14 posted on 07/24/2014 5:12:32 AM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

I agree ... gun vs club.

“Jeepers! He didn’t use a Glock??!!??”

Nope!Old school revolvers still rule.


15 posted on 07/24/2014 5:16:33 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Bobalu

If you want to execute the owners of mean dogs, I’m fine. But all pit bulls I have ever met just wanted to be friends. You more in danger of being knocked down and licked to death than being bitten.


16 posted on 07/24/2014 5:18:28 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: RoosterRedux

I’m a little surprised a .22 stopped a pit bull in full rage.

Applying the bullet in the right place, it will work very nicely. We used to butcher our own beef and my dad would put one .22 between the eyes of a 1000# animal dropping it in its tracks.


17 posted on 07/24/2014 5:22:17 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: marktwain

Yep, I completely agree with you on dogs, any dog when running with a pack. When we had an Oklahoma ranch still in the family, the primary predators were wild dogs running in packs. If we saw I any dog running loose much less a pack then out came the 30-30 from the pickup rack.

Our best ranch dog was a standard collie, St. Bernard mix. Very protective of the cattle and completely docile otherwise. The barn cats were basically wild but he and the cats would curl up together to sleep.


18 posted on 07/24/2014 5:37:59 AM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: Boomer One

Pill Bulls can be very gently and good dogs, but they take a strong disciplined owner and should never be allowed to run loose or be alone with any child.

Unlike golden retrievers and black labs, pit bulls were bred for fighting and killing.


19 posted on 07/24/2014 5:41:10 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; marktwain; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; ...
What are the lives of a few geezers, children, mailmen, pizza delivery guys, and young female joggers compared to the hours of pleasure these charming and lovable pets give their owners in those precious interludes between court appearances and tattoo appointments?

I am very fond of this breed, and simply cannot stand to see dog and master separated. That is why I am the sponsor of the
Kenny Bunk Pit Bull Amendment to our state constitution:

When Pit Bull Owners are arrested
(Well the breed (and similar Breeds) is the favorite
of the criminal classes)
The Pit Bull and the Owner Shall share the same cell
Neither is to be fed for 30 Days
At the end of such sentence, the survivor (either or) shall be euthanized.

BTW, WTF Happened here. The old pistolero faced three Pit Bulls, and only bumped off 1? More range time, old timer!

20 posted on 07/24/2014 5:42:49 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: Bobalu

I couldn’t agree more.

The U.K. handled it quite nicely with their Dangerous Dogs Act 1991.


21 posted on 07/24/2014 5:44:00 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: marktwain

Which is why this woman was smart not to just rely on her dogs to protect her and to carry a knife.


22 posted on 07/24/2014 5:44:50 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: marktwain

Oops—wrong thread. There’s another thread running with the story of pitbulls attacking a woman walking her German Shepherds—and her saving herself with the knife that she was carrying.


23 posted on 07/24/2014 5:46:06 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

I have a friend who was a missionary in Russia for seven years. He routinely defended himself against dogs with a pocket knife.


24 posted on 07/24/2014 5:50:21 AM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

Memo to Clint Hurdle: The next time the Buccos hit a stretch where all the bats fail, try using revolvers.


25 posted on 07/24/2014 5:52:50 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: from occupied ga
How did these dogs get the name pitt bulls? Anyone?
26 posted on 07/24/2014 5:58:01 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: marktwain

Yet another mere coincidence


27 posted on 07/24/2014 5:59:00 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Big Red Badger

The Chihuahua is Notorious for attacking humans

Nonsense. I have had a chihuahua for years and as long as you avoid making eye contact and respond to their demands there is never a problem.


28 posted on 07/24/2014 6:01:35 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey (The larger the government, the smaller the people)
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To: driftdiver

Personally, I would never own one because I am not a strong and disciplined owner. Ask my doxie-he knows who is boss and it is not me. :)

My son’s friend, who is a strong and disciplined owner, has one. He is the sweetest dog, a big goof. But son’s friend never forgets his dog is a pit pull. They are responsible and never leave anything to chance.


29 posted on 07/24/2014 6:02:04 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

A responsible dog owner would have a different breed. Period.


30 posted on 07/24/2014 6:13:22 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
Dangerous Dogs Act 1991.
Excellent link. Some common sense apparently left in the English-Speaking Union!
31 posted on 07/24/2014 6:15:54 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: marktwain

I studied the Pit Bull and found that it is not only how they are raised but, also their genetic lineage. Certain people in the not so past, inter-breed them for the aggression that they wanted for fighting. These dogs found their way into the population of dogs sold for pets. They have a genetic code of aggression that sooner or later finds it’s way to the surface.
Never ever trust a Pit. Even if you are a great owner,trainer.


32 posted on 07/24/2014 6:20:21 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: from occupied ga
A good 15 years ago, a little girl was being mauled by a pit bull somewhere in SW Atlanta . . .

Fifteen years ago would be the very beginning of the 'pit bull' problem. 1999 is the first year I find reports of a pit bull killing anyone, and even then, Rottweilers were the principal killers. For years, Rottweilers were the main killers, followed by German Shepherds. Before that, it was German Shepherds.

It wasn't until 2004 that pit bulls caught up with Rottweilers as the principal breed(s) causing human deaths, and since 2005, the three 'pit bull' breeds and mixed-breed pit bulls are overwhelmingly the most dangerous breed (with Rottweilers number two) for human deaths.

When breeding and ownership of American Staffordshire Terriers was in the hands of reputable breeders and non-thugs, that breed was not a problem.

33 posted on 07/24/2014 6:21:43 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (Keep guacamole where it belongs: With Scoutmaster on the UT.)
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To: Scoutmaster
Staffordshire terriers are not really the problem. I doubt that very many of the “pit bull” attacks are made by purebred Staffies. It's the made up bully breeds that cause the problem. They may have some Staffie lineage, but they are a mishmash of several bully breeds. Dangerous animals. I know several pit bull “breeders”. They are definitely not selecting for reliability and disposition. This attitude ruins many breeds. For example people are breeding Great Danes for sheer size, losing type and disposition. A bad Dane is beyond dangerous, a good Dane is a pearl beyond price.
34 posted on 07/24/2014 6:33:57 AM PDT by Himyar
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To: Joan Kerrey

There is a gang disguised as Mariachis and they are Vicious!
La Cucaracha is their War song.


35 posted on 07/24/2014 6:35:12 AM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: Ditter

Bred to fight in rings called “pits.”


36 posted on 07/24/2014 6:35:48 AM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Ditter
How did these dogs get the name pitt bulls?

The term 'pit bull' doesn't have a specific meaning. To some, it means any Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, or Bull Terrier. To some, it means any dog with a blocky head and stocky body. To others, any descended from an American bulldog, a French Bulldog, or a Boston Terrier.

The name "pit bull" is derived from the fact most are descended from bulldogs, and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier were bred to fight in pits.

However, the American Staffordshire Terrier has only been a recognized breed since 1936, and was developed a half-century or more after the other dogs. It was bred as a family dog and was never bred as a fighting dog. I wouldn't hesitate to buy an American Staffordshire Terrier from a reputable breeder, although it's a 'pit bull.'

37 posted on 07/24/2014 6:36:34 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (Keep guacamole where it belongs: With Scoutmaster on the UT.)
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To: kenmcg

Always hated the illiterate thugs that fought dogs, but years ago Pits were people friendly. If any fighting Pit bit any person that dog was put down. It was also rare for in-breeding to be the norm. Both prevented that gene from being passed on or concentrated.

Once the street thug blacks “found Pits” stupidity took over with lots of in-breeding, plus the owners wanted a Pit that would attack a person.

It may be time for Pits to be outlawed and relegated to history.


38 posted on 07/24/2014 6:39:48 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Himyar

“A bad Dane is beyond dangerous, a good Dane is a pearl beyond price.”

So true. Given their size, they need to have good dispositions. Fortunately, I have a male (only 110 lb., when the4 breed standard is about 140 lb.) who’s a wonderful, loving, goofy character.


39 posted on 07/24/2014 6:43:08 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Himyar

I agree completely regarding purebred American Staffordshire Terriers and Staffordshire Terriers from a reputable breeder.


40 posted on 07/24/2014 6:44:47 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (Keep guacamole where it belongs: With Scoutmaster on the UT.)
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To: Chaguito; Scoutmaster

That’s what I thought, the dogs were bred to fight bulls in pits. Dogs continued to do what they were bred to do, herd, retrieve, hunt, point or fight. Some dogs were bred to sit on people laps and that is what they are best at doing. Why is anyone surprised.


41 posted on 07/24/2014 6:48:25 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Bobalu
What’s next? Lions as pets?

Only if they're Second Hand Lions.

FMCDH(BITS)

42 posted on 07/24/2014 6:52:31 AM PDT by nothingnew (Hemmer and MacCullum are the worst on FNC)
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To: marktwain

I have a friend who was a missionary in Russia. He was told to immediately buy a bicycle chain and keep it up his selieve. He used it on human predators several times.

I had to use a 12 ga shotgun on two vicious dogs many years ago. I found the “birdshot because buckshot has too much penetration” to not cut it. I emptied the shotgun with no effect on them, and then used a .22 pistol.

I now keep the house gun loaded with 00 buck.


43 posted on 07/24/2014 7:08:27 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: 9YearLurker
>i>...her saving herself with the knife that she was carrying.

In addition to poop recovery tools, for my after supper dog walks I like to carry one of these:


Benchmade 580SBK Barrage Spring Assist Axis Lock (3.6" Black, partially serrated blade)

And one of these:


Surefire E2D LED Defender

44 posted on 07/24/2014 7:26:26 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA

Now that’s a flashlight!


45 posted on 07/24/2014 7:48:44 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: marktwain

Iver Johnson is the best bet, although the H&R revolvers used a similar “stepped” grip. Most of those though are top breaks and I really can’t see the release catch.


46 posted on 07/24/2014 8:40:47 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Ditter
I understand what you say. My current dogs have been bred to be companion dogs for over 500 years, and that is all they are.

However, none of these 'pit bull' dogs were bred to fight bulls in pits.

Some were bred for bull baiting - including American Bulldogs and French bulldogs. That doesn't involve a pit.

Some were bred to fight other dogs in pits, such as the American Pit Bull.

The American Staffordshire Terrier is considered a 'pit bull.' At some point, bulldogs were bred to terriers. The result was the Staffordshire Terrier and the American Staffordshire Terrier. ASTs were NEVER, at any point during the breed's history, bred to fight bulls or to fight other dogs. From the beginning, the AST was specifically bred to be an affectionate family dog. However, it has a blocky head and a stout body, so it gets lumped in with 'pit bulls.' I am not now, nor have I ever been an American Staffie owner, but I know it's not an aggressive breed. I can't say the same for American Pit Bull Terriers.

"Pit bull' attacks rarely identify the breed; pit bull is used as a generic term based on how a dog looks, not what the dog breed is or was bred to do. I wouldn't be surprised if there were few or no purebred ASTs among the 'pit bull' deaths.

In fact, if you allocated 'pit bull' deaths among the specific 'pit bull' breeds actually involved, Rottweilers would probably be responsible for the most deaths by dog attack, or 'pit mixes.'

Another thing to consider is this is a current phenomenon, caused by backyard breeder looking for aggression and thug owners.

71% of the pit bull fatalities have occurred in the past 10 years; 42% in the past four years; 24% in the past two years.

Source: 30-Year Summary: Dog Attack Deaths and Maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 26, 2011 by Merritt Clifton, Animal People, 2012.

These statistics suggest it's certainly not just the breed- and even these specifics don't break out 'pit bulls' by specific breed.

47 posted on 07/24/2014 8:54:47 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (Keep guacamole where it belongs: With Scoutmaster on the UT.)
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To: Scoutmaster

How many fatal dog attacks are there in the US in a given year? I suspect that it is not a great number. A hundred?


48 posted on 07/24/2014 9:32:48 AM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Scoutmaster

Bred to fight in a pit or not in a pit........... they were bred to fight. What difference does it make?

They were certainly not bred to fight children or the elderly but that is where it has led.

My Jack Russells were bred to hunt rats and they love it.


49 posted on 07/24/2014 10:06:20 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: from occupied ga

I’ve never owned bull dogs and never will - actually, I’d rather not have any pets. Not even a pet rock.

But in my LEO experience, I never had any problems with Pitt Bulls, Dobermans, Shepherds, Mastiffs, Rottweilers — all the typically “bad” dogs except for one bull dog when I got too close to her new litter of puppies.

But if we are creating a list, I would add Dalmations, Chows, Collies (the Lassie type) and medium to large indeterminate mongrels as those were consistently agressive and/or attacked. And for the record, I never shot a dog. I knocked quite a few on the nose with a flashlight and they kept their distance after that. Maybe I was lucky...

Just my personal experience - opinions may vary.


50 posted on 07/24/2014 10:28:50 AM PDT by jaydee770
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