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Should President Obama Be Impeached?
Oregon Catalyst ^ | July 23, 2014 | Larry Huss

Posted on 07/24/2014 8:47:29 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I am a huge fan of Gov. Sarah Palin. No, I don’t think she should be president (or vice-president) but she certainly could not have done worse than the present occupants of those two offices. My enthusiasm for Ms. Palin is based on her ability to give relentless and unapologetic voice to a vast swath of the populace generally ignored by a press corps that believes that all wisdom is found within a sixty mile swath surrounding Washington, D.C.

And even more so because of her ability to drive liberals crazy – and I mean stark raving, red-in-the-face, frothing-at-the-mouth, snot-slobbering, eyes-rolled-back-in-their-heads, hair-pulling, shut-the-door CRAZY. Ms. Palin gives liberals the opportunity to exercise all of that pent-up sexism they have had to repress in the name of “political correctness.” She fuels the rage they feel when they see an attractive woman espousing conservative ideas and realize they are stuck with the likes of Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz as their “public face.” It is the opportunity for us to laugh uproariously at their hypocrisy.

To make the point, at a reception we attended recently a liberal friend of mine (yes, I have them) approached me and almost immediately began his vigorous condemnation of Ms. Palin. My friend is normally an intelligent, soft-spoken and thoughtful person but, like so many liberals when discussing Ms. Palin, he abandoned reason almost immediately. He started by asserting that Ms. Palin had cost Sen. John McCain dearly in the Republican presidential primaries of 2008. I reminded him that Ms. Palin did not appear on the scene until the Republican National Convention – well after the end of the primary season. Undeterred he than asserted that Ms. Palin had hurt Mr. McCain significantly in the presidential election. I responded by indicating that there was no proof of that and that given the extraordinary dislike of Mr. McCain by conservatives, such as myself, the probability is that many conservatives who would have otherwise stayed home turned out to vote for Ms. Palin and the Republican ticket thus decreasing the margin of victory for President Barack Obama. But like a “super ball” caroming off at odd angles, he continued an attack that became more rabid and less coherent until my wife, gratefully, extricated me from the discussion.

And all of this occurred prior to the point to be made in this column.

Recently, Ms. Palin called for the impeachment of Mr. Obama. She reiterated that call in a speech before the 2014 Western Conservative Summit in Denver this past week and, as reported in the Denver Post, upped the ante by challenging members of Congress:

“’These days you hear all of these politicians, they denounce Barack Obama, saying he is lawless, imperial and ignores court orders and changes laws by fiat and refuses to enforce laws he just doesn’t like,’ she said.“ ’That’s true. But the question is, “Hey, politicians, what are you going to do about it?”’ Palin said, as the crowd in the Hyatt Regency ballroom roared.”

A recent Huffington Post poll indicated that thirty-five percent of Americans thought Mr. Obama should be impeached. Independents were evenly divided while nearly seventy percent of Republicans concurred. (Not surprisingly these are about the same numbers who thought President George W. Bush should be impeached in 2007 with Democrat and Republican roles reversed.) It might be said that popular sentiment towards impeachment, in both cases, is reflective more of the populace’s inability to effect change in the conduct of their leaders than it is a demand that the serious consequences of the United States Constitution be invoked.

Let’s understand a few things about impeachment. First, the process is purely political – not a civil or criminal process. The Constitution states in Article II, Section 4:

“The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. ”Treason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors are whatever the Congress decides them to be during the process and those decisions are not subject to review by the courts. (Nixon vs. United States, 506 US 224) The House of Representatives provides “articles of impeachment” when voting to impeach and the Senate decides whether the president actually performed the acts AND whether the acts rise to the point of “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”

So political can the process be that during the impeachment proceedings against President Richard Nixon, Hillary Clinton, then a lawyer for the Watergate Committee, sought to deny Mr. Nixon access to counsel for the proceedings. Downtrend.com interviewed her then-boss, Jerry Zeifman, about it and wrote about Ms. Clinton’s brief asserting that there was no “right to counsel” for the president during an impeachment proceeding:

“The brief involved precedent for representation by counsel during an impeachment proceeding. When Hillary endeavored to write a legal brief arguing there is no right to representation by counsel during an impeachment proceeding, Zeifman says, he told Hillary about the case of Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas, who faced an impeachment attempt in 1970. “’As soon as the impeachment resolutions were introduced by (then-House Minority Leader Gerald) Ford, and they were referred to the House Judiciary Committee, the first thing Douglas did was hire himself a lawyer,’ Zeifman said.

“The Judiciary Committee allowed Douglas to keep counsel, thus establishing the precedent. Zeifman says he told Hillary that all the documents establishing this fact were in the Judiciary Committee’s public files. So what did Hillary do?

“’Hillary then removed all the Douglas files to the offices where she was located, which at that time was secured and inaccessible to the public,’ Zeifman said. Hillary then proceeded to write a legal brief arguing there was no precedent for the right to representation by counsel during an impeachment proceeding – as if the Douglas case had never occurred.”

Mr. Zeifman subsequently fired Ms. Clinton for lying and unethical conduct. He has opined that if she had done the same thing in front of a judge she would have been disbarred. It wasn’t the last time that public documents that contradicted Ms. Clinton’s view of the world disappeared – it is, in fact, an oft-repeated act that shields Ms. Clinton from accountability.

The point is that impeachment is an arbitrary process and subject to the whims and caprice of politicians – some, who like Ms. Clinton, are more than willing to exercise that power to advance their political purposes rather than to protect the nation. The nation is better served when the process brings forward “men/ women of the moment” who act solely for the benefit of the nation.

Watergate involved a third-rate burglary and a subsequent massive attempted cover-up. The investigation demonstrated that the burglary was led by Administration personnel and that the cover-up was led directly by Mr. Nixon and his senior White House staff. When Congress impeached Mr. Nixon, the nation was well served by the likes of Sens. Sam Ervin (D-NC) and Howard Baker (R-TN) who stuck to the facts, put the nation’s interests before their ambitions and secured an orderly and transparent process designed to reassure the citizens as much as secure the removal of Mr. Nixon.

We are not there yet with regard to Mr. Obama. The actions leading up to and after the assault on the Benghazi embassy and murder of the ambassador and three others; the use of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to silence political opposition; and the use of the National Security Administration (NSA) to spy on American citizens, individually or collectively, if tied directly to Mr. Obama or his senior staff, are more than sufficient to justify Mr. Obama’s impeachment and removal. But we are not there yet.

And we aren’t going to get there so long as members of Congress dither and refuse to authorize a special counsel. (I would prefer that Mr. Obama acknowledges that his presidency has failed, that his accomplishments were based on a series of lies, and that he lacks both the skills and the interest to continue and, therefore, resigns. An honorable man would do thusly, but this is Mr. Obama and he can neither recognize nor act honorably.)

Which brings us back to Sarah Palin. Ms. Palin is not a member of Congress. She cannot introduce a resolution of impeachment, open an investigation, hold a hearing, vote on articles of impeachment or sit in judgment in a trial of impeachment in the Senate. She is a private citizen. But by virtue of her popularity, her personality and her insistent demand for accountability, her megaphone is a lot bigger than most. And she is using that megaphone quite appropriately to demand action by those in power.

It is premature to say that Mr. Obama should be impeached. But in the meantime Ms. Palin – You Go Girl.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: criminalcharges; hamas; hillary; impeachment; muslimbrotherhood; nationalsecurity; obama; palin; rico
Yeah, yeah, he's no Shakespeare, I get that. What do you say about his argument, though?
1 posted on 07/24/2014 8:47:29 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is a frogs butt water tight?


2 posted on 07/24/2014 8:48:51 AM PDT by Duckdog (If it wasn't for NASCAR my TV would have gone out the window years ago!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

3 posted on 07/24/2014 8:48:59 AM PDT by Diogenesis (The EXEMPT Congress is complicit in the absence of impeachment)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Never happen. I was watching Family Feud the other day and one question was which president would you like to see in a speedo. Guess who was #1? He will never be held accountable for anything.


4 posted on 07/24/2014 8:49:10 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the impeachment process starts now it will energize his illiterate base, which will be a boom for the RATS. If all goes well in November.....full steam ahead to impeach the liar in chief and his AG.


5 posted on 07/24/2014 8:52:33 AM PDT by kenmcg (b)
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To: Duckdog

Depends on if it is gay or not....


6 posted on 07/24/2014 8:53:47 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It is premature to say that Mr. Obama should be impeached.

Fail.

7 posted on 07/24/2014 8:54:41 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No. Waste of time, goes nowhere, motivates even more Dems to vote.


8 posted on 07/24/2014 8:54:54 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No.


9 posted on 07/24/2014 8:55:45 AM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: Resolute Conservative

10 posted on 07/24/2014 8:57:19 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama should be impeached.
Anyone in Office that actively works to harm the United States or its people should be impeached.
Obama has done this so often in so many ways it is beyond criminal..........


11 posted on 07/24/2014 8:57:41 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American e GoNot a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

By who?

Congress??

They can’t stand up to him on the simple issues.


12 posted on 07/24/2014 8:57:58 AM PDT by airborne (My heroes don't wear capes - My heroes wear dog tags!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My concern is I don’t want an incumbent Joe Biden ready and able to win two full terms. Don’t discount the dope, stupider asses have won the office.


13 posted on 07/24/2014 9:02:58 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Received this today. It says he is alive and well in the minds of those who elected him and those who worship him.

"There is a reason why in NY harbor there is a Statue of Liberty , not a Statue of Equality" Charles Krauthammer

A 94-year-old Prophecy is Fulfilled.

H.L. Mencken (born 1880 - died 1956) was a journalist, satirist, critic and Democrat. He wrote the editorial below while working for the Baltimore Evening Sun, which appeared in the July 26, 1920 edition.

"As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron." ---H.L. Mencken, the Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920 So it was written, and so it has come to pass.

vaudine

14 posted on 07/24/2014 9:03:01 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: Sivad

Yes, even if it fails, history will record you stood for what was right.


15 posted on 07/24/2014 9:03:57 AM PDT by King Hawk
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bear, Catholic, Pope, Woods


16 posted on 07/24/2014 9:04:07 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The Arab Spring is over. Welcome to the Jihadi Spring." Jonah Goldberg)
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To: ArtDodger

> Depends on if it is gay or not....
If he is gay, does that mean that she’s a man in drag?


17 posted on 07/24/2014 9:04:47 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Unarmed people cannot defend themselves. America is no longer a Free Country.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He was not on the list. As I remember it was:
Bammy
BJ Clinton
Kennedy
Lincoln
GW Bush

#’s 1, 2 and 4 - really? Lincoln?


18 posted on 07/24/2014 9:08:03 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“And even more so because of her ability to drive liberals crazy – and I mean stark raving, red-in-the-face, frothing-at-the-mouth, snot-slobbering, eyes-rolled-back-in-their-heads, hair-pulling, shut-the-door CRAZY.”

ROFL


19 posted on 07/24/2014 9:08:44 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The argument for impeachment should be made with dignity, scholarship, integrity and sobriety befitting the removal of a sitting president for abuse of power. It is more than justified by the facts. The political terrain renders the taking of action problematic. But the case can and should be addressed as described without any urgency of confronting the political winds.

Remember, Nixon was never impeached. He was deprived of his political support by the calm, deliberate, relentless investigation of the facts. An impeachment vote was never taken in the full House. Yet, it had become clear that, but for Nixon's resignation, such a vote would be passed with decisive bipartisan support.

Properly conducted, such a discussion could be a lesson on the nature and limits of governance in a democratic republic, and restore even to the idiot 42% a sense of what this Nation was intended to be all about.

20 posted on 07/24/2014 9:08:53 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“To make the point, at a reception we attended recently a liberal friend of mine (yes, I have them).”

There is your mistake, sir. NEVER have a communist as a ‘friend’. They are NOT your ‘friends’. They are the worst kind of ENEMY!


21 posted on 07/24/2014 9:11:55 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama is an employee of the citizens of The United States of America. He is not a king. Impeachment is the means of removing an employee of The United States from office. Ask yourself, “If I was Obama’s boss, would I let him go?”

The man has 180 golf days since he took office. Everything he touches turns to crap. He blames everyone but himself. If I thought he even cared one little bit about his job performance or our country, I would say we should try to educate him. He doesn’t care about his job performance. He’s made that clear to all of us. He should be let go.

The big lesson to be learned here is about what experience a presidential candidate should have. The President is the Chief Executive of the Executive Branch. Shouldn’t we hire someone who has some executive experience? The President is also the Commander In Chief of our armed forces. Shouldn’t we hire someone who has some military experience?


22 posted on 07/24/2014 9:14:37 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: kenmcg

even with the senate in GOPe control..

It won’t be easy to convict.

I say they won’t.


23 posted on 07/24/2014 9:17:18 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“But we are not there yet.”

Say WHAT?

This reporter has forgotten many of the outright abuses of the White Hut/Obemba!


24 posted on 07/24/2014 9:18:10 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

it’s even worse when they are family..

There are times you are forced to deal with them..

And normally, when it’s time to read the will and they don’t get everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) then the fight starts..

In our case, they got less than what they where suppose to get after the fight.

They didn’t get squat.


25 posted on 07/24/2014 9:21:04 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does a Bear $hit in the woods? Does a one legged duck swim in a circle?


26 posted on 07/24/2014 9:24:36 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: kenmcg

Agreed. After November, he and his administration, already under seige, will be completely bottled up, lame-ducked, and the adults in charge of the House and Senate can start taking apart the mistakes of the last six years. If they don’t, I’ll be more than happy to vote in people who will in 2016.


27 posted on 07/24/2014 9:27:25 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: vaudine

“”As democracy is perfected,”

Dear Mr. Mencken, This country is not a ‘democracy, sir. It is a Democratic Republic! Yes, I know that you are already dead. I simply want to make you turn over in your grave.


28 posted on 07/24/2014 9:28:48 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Giving aid and comfort to the enemies is Treason, and along with the many other unconstitutional actions he has taken more than qualifies AS “high crimes and misdemeanors”


29 posted on 07/24/2014 9:31:47 AM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Cruz 2016)
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To: hinckley buzzard

“Remember, Nixon was never impeached.”

Yes, that is true and I also think that the impeachment hearings were ill-advised.

It was absolutely about national security. The Republican presidential staff was trying to keep a known communist b**** out of the White House. The Congress should have been pinning medals on the entire White House staff, including President Nixon!


30 posted on 07/24/2014 9:32:25 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"It is premature to say that Mr. Obama should be impeached."

BS!! The only time it would have been premature to say that Mr. Obama should be impeached was prior to January 20, 2009.

31 posted on 07/24/2014 9:38:27 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The writer’s whole point on the case seems to rest on congress authorizing the appointment of a Special Counsel.

The Special Counsel would be appointed by Eric Holder.

Case closed.


32 posted on 07/24/2014 9:39:03 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the majority in Congress is impeached with him, I’m all in.


33 posted on 07/24/2014 9:54:11 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

impeachment is an arbitrary process and subject to the whims and caprice of politicians..

Uhhhhh.. is he from the long GRey Line, by chance?

So he likes Sarah’s pies but doesn’t want to see her baking any in the WH. Got it.


34 posted on 07/24/2014 9:55:55 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: RitaOK

they should impeach eric holder first..like right now-contempt of congress lying to congress not enforcing laws etc...
gutless congressmen


35 posted on 07/24/2014 10:00:53 AM PDT by rolling_stone (1984)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Impeached, tried, convicted and sentenced.


36 posted on 07/24/2014 10:12:23 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: rolling_stone

Absolutely! However Marxists grow another appendage just like him to be his replacement.

I don’t know why the big hats pushing for impeachment don’t explain this dilemma in its entirety. Do they fail to understand the chain of command goes directly to the Marxist Obama Justice Department, at all? And, then to a Reid Senate?

I’m kind of tired of the red meat rhetoric and recommendations that circle back to bite us.

Under a Republican senate majority in November,they want to be Uni Party far more than Republican, so even then it becomes a hell of a risk for the 2016 prez election.

I don’t get it, really.


37 posted on 07/24/2014 10:24:30 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: King Hawk

Respectfully, history could just as easily record that a group of
“racists” who would never worked in cooperation with Obama
sought to impeach him. When powerful and not so powerful
people from his own party stand up then so will I. We know
that won’t happen. If I thought the nation could not hold its’
nose for 2 more years I might think otherwise.

It you impeach Obama then you become the issue, not Obama.
I don’t want to let him off the hook. The Clinton impeachment
is and will always be just a footnote. No, thanks.


38 posted on 07/24/2014 10:31:52 AM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sure, he SHOULD be impeached... But it isn’t going to happen. The GOP might have the numbers to go through the motions of an impeachment vote, but a removal from office vote will never get past Harry Reid’s desk.


39 posted on 07/24/2014 10:57:17 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

40 posted on 07/24/2014 12:39:54 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Agree.


41 posted on 07/24/2014 3:10:51 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
Yep! Mencken is dead, but the Dem Party marches on, ever intent on perfecting democracy. They NEVER knew we were a Republic.

Besides, don't you think Mencken was decrying the "perfecting of democracy" in his piece?

vaudine

42 posted on 07/25/2014 6:41:06 AM PDT by vaudine
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