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July 25, News on situation in Ukraine
Elena Filatova ^ | July 25, 2014 | Elena Filatova

Posted on 07/25/2014 7:46:34 AM PDT by No One Special

Here is recent map, sorry I didn't find one in English. In yellow and blue is Ukrainian territory, Russia is brown and separatists controlled territory is in between. There is two or three pockets where Ukrainian army having hard time, it is near Russian border. They are between separatists and Russians who fire from Russian territory. Pentagon admitted today that Russia is firing artillery from its own territory into Ukraine to hit Ukrainian military sites. They doing it for second week.

To understand what future may hold for us let me remind how it went with Osetia in 2008. Russia was supplying Osetian separatists with tanks and heavy weapons. They fired at Georgian cities quite for a while and eventually Georgians couldn't stand it longer and moved on Osetians and Russian troops have been there waiting, so they counter attacked and found themselves deep into Georgian territory.

We can see that Russians want to play the same scenario, but so far it doesn't work. Why? First because Ukrainians not so impulsive and hot blooded as Georgians. Ukrainians reserved and even tempered people. Everyone understand if we attack Russians on their territory then Putin will send so called peacekeepers. Of course if nothing else works Russians can attack their cities themselves and tell Ukrainians did it. Either way in Ukraine we have third wave of mobilization. Another 50.000 reservists will join army. Everyone understand it is not to fight separatists, it is to hold wide-front offensive of Russian army.

I want to say a couple of words to people who have financial interests in Russia or who somehow connected with Russia ecnonomically. Get out of this market, it has no future. Just grab whatever you can get out of this mess and invest somewhere else. Things in Russia will never get back on track. This empire is finished. Future trend is that things bad today and they will be worse tomorrow until worse of all...


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1 posted on 07/25/2014 7:46:34 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special

Funding for Ukraine’s army runs out on August 1st.


2 posted on 07/25/2014 7:50:55 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck; tcrlaf; caww; McGruff

Is Russian commander Strelkov going to hold another fundraiser for the insurgency or just add lipstick, mascara and cosmetics to his Turn In The Loot Order:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2705628/Mascara-Amsterdam-precise-field-Outrage-female-separatist-posts-Instagram-selfie-wearing-looted-mascara-boasting-it.html


3 posted on 07/25/2014 7:59:46 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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Is Putin Responsible For MH17? Five Questions For Investigators On Russian Culpability

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/07/24/is-putin-responsible-for-mh17-five-questions-for-investigators-on-russian-culpability/


4 posted on 07/25/2014 8:07:43 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Don’t expect replys to stupid posts but on topic

How many of these questions have been answered to date?

1. Why did the MH17 plane leave the international corridor?

2. Was MH17 leaving the route a navigation mistake or was the crew following instructions by Ukrainian air traffic controllers in Dnepropetrovsk?

3. Why was a large group of air defense systems deployed to the militia-held area if the self-defense forces have no planes?

4. Why did Kiev deploy BUK missile systems on the edge of militia-controlled zones directly before the tragedy?

5. On the day of the crash Kiev intensified Kupol-M1 9S18 radar activity, key BUK system components. Why?

6. What was a military plane doing on the route intended for civilian flights?

7. Why was the military jet flying at so close to a passenger plane?

8. Where did the launcher – from the video circulated by Western media and showing a Buk system being moved allegedly from Ukraine to Russia – come from? As the video was made on the territory controlled by Kiev, where was the launcher being transported?

9. Where is it right now? Why are some of the missiles missing on the launcher? When was the last time a missile was launched from it?

10. Why haven’t US officials revealed the evidence supporting claims that the MH17 was shot down by a missile launched by the militia?


5 posted on 07/25/2014 8:14:48 AM PDT by McGruff (Hell we can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: McGruff; tcrlaf

11. Why is Moscow asking questions when they should be giving answers, McGruff — not that any are to be believed???

12. Where are the the rest of the bodies, McGruff??? You said there were 298 but delivered only 200.

13. How much money did Strelkov raise from the loot of the Russian looters of MH17, McGruff?? Is it true that he will not hold a mascara cosmetics fundraiser???

14. Do you agree with tcrlaf that the Russian rebels shot down MH17, McGruff???


6 posted on 07/25/2014 8:23:51 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: mac_truck; tcrlaf; McGruff; dforest
Breaking ......Interpol puts out a Red Notice on Private Sector leader 'Yarosh' for incitement to terrorism!

Yarosh is wanted by the International Criminal Police Organization for “public incitement to terrorist and extremist activities. .....Pravy Sector played a key role protests in Kiev's Independence Square during the revolution.

Yarosh has headed an ultra-right Stepan Bandera All-Ukrainian Organization ″Tryzub″ since 2005. During the EuroMaidan protests, the organization became "the base" of the Right Sector

Yarosh claimed long standing Ukrainian support for "Chechen militants," and urged terrorist leader 'Doku Umarov' to ...."launch attacks against Russia in support of Ukraine".....The radical leader has been consistently anti-Russian in his statements, calling for the destruction and division of the “Moscow Empire” and openly supporting Chechen militants and Georgian aggression

Yarosh has said that war between the two countries is “inevitable.” His appeal to terrorist leader Umarov puts the Right Sector on a par with international terrorist organisations.

....Dmitry Yarosh has confirmed that those who had been gangsters in the North Caucasus were ..." also in Independence Square in Kiev".........Yarosh, 42, is a long-term Ukrainian nationalist campaigner, whose stated aim is for the country to be affiliated "neither with Russia nor Europe".

In my opinion this man is responsible for the beginnings of the violence in the Eastern Ukraine as these were his calls to go in with the military under his control, the failures of the cease fires, the continuance of the conflict, and that with orchestrating missile fires from Ukraine from various militia's and their leaders, under his direction on citizens of Eastern Ukraine etc...and likely instrumental in the happenings with the MH17 crash....(with Poroshenko's/US support, directly and indirectly).

(Here he is working as Kiev's Gov. Official Head of Security and Defense)

(Here he is in Kiev's Maidan Demonstrations)

(Here he is with Moslem terrorist friends..note his headpiece and beard)


7 posted on 07/25/2014 9:58:47 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

I can beat that.

#BREAKING: More than 15,000 Russian troops amassed along border with Ukraine: U.S. ambassador to NATO

PHOTOS: Russian ships and sailors demonstrate their skills on Navy Day. http://reut.rs/1lDTk2Q


8 posted on 07/25/2014 10:09:43 AM PDT by McGruff (Hell we can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: No One Special
Heh, I agree with your sentiments completely. Years back Paan American Silver was royally screwed on a property in Russia. Lower bidders got the rights (friends of Putin). What insanity as a CEO must you have to expand in Russia?

A has been nation fighting for its last grasp of air. Frankly good riddance.

9 posted on 07/25/2014 10:24:40 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: McGruff

Are you their pay?


10 posted on 07/25/2014 10:25:39 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: caww
Ooh, more “scary” claims that the Ukranians are Nazis. Heard that one before.
11 posted on 07/25/2014 10:26:58 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: McGruff

Interesting also is the U.S. has not had a permanent ambassador in Russia since February, when former ambassador Michael McFaul resigned.

Cruz is holding up the Senate Nominations until he gets answers from the administration.

Russia has every right to put as many troops as it wants on it’s border....it’s there border....frankly I don’t blame Russia one bit for their actions on the border. Nato/EU/US knew very well any action they would take regarding Ukraine would incite clearly a response from Russia......they’ve opened this can of worms and now they can’t manage it.

I’m so disgusted with this administration that there are no words for the depth of it anymore. Who does Obama think he is to create such unrest and violence throughout the world and not blink an eye while he hides behind his latest vacation, golf trip and chugging beer with his buddies!


12 posted on 07/25/2014 10:29:50 AM PDT by caww
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To: Sam Gamgee

Rather like those who fail to grasp the Islamic threat.....try again.


13 posted on 07/25/2014 10:32:19 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Oh, I understand the threat. And how does Putin confront it? Bombing the shite out of Chechnya, killing good people along with terrorists, for an optics show, accomplishing nothing. Meanwhile he supplies a friend of the Chechnyan terrorists, Iran, arms. Shows he cares nothing for his own people.
14 posted on 07/25/2014 10:36:23 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Sam Gamgee

You will not live again.
You will not rise from the snow
Twenty-eight holes from the bayonet
Five from the gun.

I have made a shroud for my friend,
Sad cloth.
She loves, loves blood
This Russian Earth.

—Dedicated to Nikolay Gumilyov
Anna Akhmatova,


15 posted on 07/25/2014 10:43:41 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: Sam Gamgee
What Putin does with Chechnya is his business......Nato has been trying for years to expand and encircle Russia's sphere of influence, and it's neighboring country's. That's what the game-board is and what's been at play for years as Eu/Nato continues it's push for consolidating countries into it's sphere of influence and control.

These events are happening across the ocean....where Europe, China and Russia and Asian nations have to live, trade and bargain as they do among themselves.

We have no business in Ukraine except to checkmate Putin and prevent his relationships with Europe from continuing as they have been......

It's laughable that you would even comment about Chechnya getting bombed by Putin when we've been bombing the daylights in other countries....and our administration continues to fund and support terrorists organizations.

Chechnya is a “contained” terrorist infested entity, they are shooting each other up there....rather like our gang invested areas here in the state. When it gets too far out of hand the leadership in Chechnya calls on Putin to take out their opposition.

There is no doubt Putin does and will continue to align with Muslim nations...they too are in his back yard.....but Europe's relationships with Putin was helpful in keeping that limited and we had his co-operation when we needed it most. ....and we're still getting it despite the situation in Ukraine and the sanctions.

16 posted on 07/25/2014 10:52:51 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
We don't bomb the daylights out of anyone. We strategically hit targets, while Russia basically does Dresden on their ass. You never explained by Putin arms the Chechnyan through Iran?

We have Putin's cooperation? Hurry, find Jones and his koolaid.

Kick Putin from the G8.

17 posted on 07/25/2014 10:56:04 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: caww

World’s going crazy today.

Over 40 mortar shells ‘fired to kill’ into Russia from #Ukraine - Russia’s border officials http://on.rt.com/lf2s2p pic.twitter.com/cVNzuRWlmz


18 posted on 07/25/2014 11:00:32 AM PDT by McGruff (Hell we can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: McGruff

.. and some people just like to see the world burn ...


19 posted on 07/25/2014 11:16:42 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: caww

He might not live long enough to face charges.

There were reports last night that Yarosh was surrounded with his troops in a town called “Peski”, and that Bezler was personally overseeing the attack on them.

Haven’t heard anything since.


20 posted on 07/25/2014 11:52:51 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: No One Special; All
A more updated Sit Map. Severodonetsk and Lsychansk are reported to be cut off. South Pocket is now further reduced, could be broken into three pockets by tomorrow.
21 posted on 07/25/2014 12:01:57 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: caww

Pentagon says the transfer of multiple-launch rocket systems from Russia to separatists appears to be imminent: http://reut.rs/1mNuOvR


22 posted on 07/25/2014 12:24:03 PM PDT by McGruff (Hell we can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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South Front "Nonrussia"Military update video for 7/25
This is a rebel Facebook page.
23 posted on 07/25/2014 12:26:10 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: No One Special; All

The Civil War in Ukraine is now OFFICIALLY a Civil War, per the Red Cross, whose determinations are recognized per International Law.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3184773/posts

Some of the usual suspects are still trying to deny that a Civil War exists in Ukraine, however.

Controlling the language of this means a lot to Kiev.
Calling it a “Civil War” means admitting they are fighting their own citizens, and not “Terrorists.


24 posted on 07/25/2014 12:32:10 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: McGruff

Probably so....at this point Russia has nothing to loose by arming them against the foe....and they wouldn’t be doing so with without the US knowing. Somebody has to stop this.....the US certainly isn’t going to send massive armament across the ocean again.

We said in the beginning then when all that was accomplished to set the stage for Urkaine was in place...Russia would be the one to come in and calm the waters, this with Nation leaders approval. But they have to make it look like they aren’t approving.

I don’t think Putin has issue with the US teams giving Ukraine an upper hand....he wants the nation stable and didn’t care for Ynacovich either. But the US played the wrong cards using the right sector and putting them in office, for it riled the eastern ukrainians something fierce.

(Remember it was the US who also helped RUssia get on it’s feet by sending teams of gov. workers in to show Putin how to do it...and he knows it very well)

There’s a reason Yats stepped down other than what most hear in the news.....first there’s no money without the gas/deals...and no money for the army.....the parliament would not vote for the US takeover of these....yats was furious....as those who want state run gas deals would not bend....here’s what he said:

“The fact that the coalition has fallen apart, that laws haven’t been voted on,.. that soldiers can’t be paid,.. that there is no money to buy rifles,... that there is no possibility to fill gas storages.... What options do we have now?” .......”If no new coalition is formed and the existing coalition in a parliamentary-presidential republic have collapsed, the government and the prime minister have to resign.... I announce my resignation because of the coalition’s collapse,” he said.

and here’s the kicker.....Gas of course......

He also expressed disappointment with Ukrainian parliament’s decision to reject a bill that allows the government to hand over up to 49 percent of the country’s gas transport system to investors from the European Union and the United States.


25 posted on 07/25/2014 12:37:34 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf
The Civil War in Ukraine is now OFFICIALLY a Civil War, per the Red Cross, whose determinations are recognized per International Law.

Baloney --

Their statements are made for political reasons so they can carry on their humanitarian mission without taking sides. Calling it a civil wart is their way of doing that.

And in this case the Russian rebels who shot down MH17 thugged them into making that statement, otherwise the thugs would not let them bring in their ambulances to treat the wounded.

I hope they all boned up on their Russian.

26 posted on 07/25/2014 12:45:42 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: tcrlaf

This is a critical turning point...coming at the same time the Parliment is caving in...and Yats resigning....(which is really another takeover coming in view of Kiev’s Parlikment so Poroshenko has complete control)...I think we’re going to see the Maidan Leaders, who were intially supported, dropped like hot potatoes more and more,.... they have served their purpose.

Obama sending more Pentagon officials, (as if not enough there already)...and Putin now lining up on the border......coupled with the destruction of the east pretty much entire where they will rebuild. It’s happening just as said in the beginning...Putin will send in the heavy stuff to take out the Right sector thugs and others to bring calm to the are....and this with approval of other nations.

He’s got Crimea and his ports....the US will ramp up the Governance to resemble something Putin can work with as well as the EU......and Poroshenko will likely remain in charge if he’s a good boy and co-operates.

The MH17 will be either pushed way down the road enough to no longer have the headlines....and the blame will be put on whatever militia guy easiest to blame.

Interesting that the Parliment wouldn’t go along with the sell out to US control of the gas......as result the house of cards came tumbling down.


27 posted on 07/25/2014 12:51:01 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf

I think we’ll be seeing more of Russian equipment and men to operate happening quickly now......was watching a host of videos last night and there are many there already assisting the fighters to take out the bad guys and bring some degree fo calm to the are....pretty amazing watching them pile into Ukraine from the border....their mission...and I have o doubt with International Approval....to bring calm to the area now.


28 posted on 07/25/2014 12:54:57 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Meanwhile

China tests anti-satellite missile... http://drudge.tw/1nH9w9b

Sounds like a scene from 24.


29 posted on 07/25/2014 12:59:29 PM PDT by McGruff (Hell we can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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Just had a flashback to TWA Flight 800 here:

The Catastrophe of #MH17: #BBC in the Search of the “#BUK” – The Video Report Deleted by @BBC

30 posted on 07/25/2014 1:05:18 PM PDT by McGruff (Hell we can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: caww

Forgot about this one. I was watching CNN Morning News at 6:00 AM while having coffee and they had a reporter from the MH17 crash scene and he had found what he called the biggest piece of wreckage found yet. In the woods. Apparently nobody else had found it yet. I imagine there are more bodies just like that yet to be found.


31 posted on 07/25/2014 1:11:11 PM PDT by McGruff (Hell we can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: McGruff

Never a dull moment on the world stage with Obama giving the go hand.


32 posted on 07/25/2014 1:11:27 PM PDT by caww
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To: McGruff

Yes...the area is so vast...miles in fact...it’s going to take time to cover it. So I;m not surprised things will be found as well as lost people.


33 posted on 07/25/2014 1:12:58 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf
He might not live long enough to face charges.

From your lips to Tsar's ear...

34 posted on 07/25/2014 1:27:47 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: caww

“I think we’ll be seeing more of Russian equipment”

Up to around June 27th, Russia was giving the rebels dribs and drabs of equipment.

After that date, the amount of equipment coming from Russia seems to have been to keep the rebels on parity with Kiev.

If they are upping the quality and numbers of equipment now, IMO we are entering an “End” phase.

To go along with this, there are Twitter Reports that “Babay” went home for couple of weeks, and is on his way back now with “Several hundred Cossack Recruits”.

The Rebels now have undisputed control of several border points, including the contested Izvarino, so the stuff will likely flood in now.

The South Pocket is now completely cut off, with the fall of the Zarachnaya (sp?) border post.

Kiev is pressing in the north though, and the rebels have fallen back from Lysychansk.


36 posted on 07/25/2014 1:49:50 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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Supposedly, the 72nd Airmobile Brigade HQ was “Eliminated” last night and this morning. It would explain the fall of the border posts.

This video was supposedly taken this morning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9iCq0k0PEY#t=14

Area MLRS can be devastating.


37 posted on 07/25/2014 1:56:20 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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Brit National/RT Reporter Graham Phillips has been released/deported.

Says he wasn’t beaten, but his fixer was severely beaten, and is still being held. Kiev’rs kept his UK-plated car.

The Anna News Reporters were released this morning.


38 posted on 07/25/2014 2:01:36 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: cynwoody

Careful, that google search can be a heavy lift.


39 posted on 07/25/2014 2:30:08 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special

It’s a long way from Vladivostok to Las Cruces.


40 posted on 07/25/2014 2:37:23 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

What is your point in posting a lie, or perhaps you were just mistaken?


41 posted on 07/25/2014 2:48:32 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special

I expect the young lady in New Mexico has been mistaken for “my” Elena before, but even so, it is completely wreckless to knowingly do as you did as the internet can be a very dangerous place for young women. You never know what psychos are lurking. I suggest you call abuse on yourself and have the mods delete your mistake.


42 posted on 07/25/2014 3:05:55 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: cynwoody

I expect the young lady in New Mexico has been mistaken for “my” Elena before, but even so, it is completely wreckless to knowingly do as you did as the internet can be a very dangerous place for young women. You never know what psychos are lurking. I suggest you call abuse on yourself and have the mods delete your mistake.


43 posted on 07/25/2014 3:07:18 PM PDT by No One Special
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Kolomoisky's Killers of Battalion "Dnepr" showing off with one of their victims, suspected of helping the rebels, somewhere east of Mariupol. AND THE MORONS POSTED IT ON TWITTER TODAY Reminds me of the WW2 "Eisatzgruppen" pics.
44 posted on 07/25/2014 3:23:12 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: No One Special
OK. My bad. Wrong Elena Filatova.

The right one is Ukrainian born Elena Vladimirovna Filatova.

So. What was your point in posting a hoaxer's article?

45 posted on 07/25/2014 3:27:56 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
That Filatova is quite pretty, but is not the Filatova you are looking for. In addition to the source page, this, from about ten years ago kiddofspeed is the gal you are looking for.

Check out the serpents wall.

Here she is with one of the finds that she and here friends dug up. The info at the page says it is a machine gun from an airplane.

Interestingly, I tried to copy only the last photo's location, but they must come as a package.

The middle photo I believe is a door to one of the old Soviet bunkers they also explored.

46 posted on 07/25/2014 3:40:08 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: cynwoody
Aah, you beat me to it.

Very good. That is a flattering picture of her.

47 posted on 07/25/2014 3:41:17 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: cynwoody

Pathetic.


48 posted on 07/25/2014 3:45:19 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: McGruff
You "forgot" to link to the rest of the article:

Russia Propaganda Today.

49 posted on 07/25/2014 3:45:42 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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The author was at Maidan and she has a history of it here.

Her concluding thought from the above journal caught my attention:

"Below photos of some people who died on Maydan. (Policemen at the bottom) Russian propaganda says they all extremists. The truth is they are best people of their time in this country. We stood with them against tyranny day and night for 3 month. I am very proud of standing shoulder to shoulder with them against evil of this world. It was the best time and it was the best team, ever."


50 posted on 07/25/2014 3:58:44 PM PDT by No One Special
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