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How America Started The Border Crisis (Blame America First 2.0)
The Daily Beast ^ | July 26, 2014 | Eleanor Clift

Posted on 07/25/2014 10:28:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The kids fleeing to our southern border are escaping criminals who learned their deadly trade right here in the U.S. Two aid workers explain the roots of Central America’s deadly dysfunction.

The leaders of Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador are meeting with President Obama in the White House on Friday to talk about the surge of children from their countries fleeing gang violence and fearing for their lives if they return. Carolyn Rose-Avila, who has extensive experience working with these vulnerable populations, says she can predict what these Central American presidents will tell Obama.

“Their argument for the last 15 years has been these [gang members] learned their violent behavior in the U.S.,” Rose-Avila told The Daily Beast. “They weren’t born violent, they didn’t learn that behavior in their home countries. They were not given refugee status, and they were thrust into very violent living situations, and they return as L.A. criminals. They’re going to point that history at Obama.”

Rose-Avila and her husband, Magdaleno Rose-Avila, worked in Central America starting in the late 1970s when he was Peace Corps director in Nicaragua and then Guatemala, and they were jumping from country to country, sidestepping wars and revolutions. In El Salvador, where they lived for a time, a quarter of the population fled the country to escape the war in the 1980s, some to Canada, some to the Nordic countries that would take them, and the vast majority to Los Angeles.

The El Salvadorans did not get refugee status in America, but for a long time there weren’t any mass deportations, Rose-Avila recalled. “They went underground, disappeared into the fabric of the city,” until L.A. became mired in gang violence and the deportations of young gang members began in the 1990s. Around that same time, Rose-Avila returned to El Salvador as regional director for Save the Children. “Magdaleno came with me as a husband,” she said, and one day filled in for her at a conference where deported gang members, the children of that earlier wave of illegal immigrants, were speaking.

“I got enamored of these guys,” Magdaleno told the Beast. “They knew the best hamburger spot in L.A. I used to frequent.” While living in El Salvador, Magdaleno “hung out with them; I spent 90 days going to gang meetings, doing gang activities.”

“Our house became a kind of community center for deported gang members from L.A.,” said Rose-Avila, picking up the story. “We would go to the airport and pick them up.” Flights carrying the deportees from the U.S. arrived about once a week. Rose-Aviva hired some of the young men. They had good English skills, they followed American football. They were Americans, she said, “and when they got to El Salvador they were treated like toxic waste. Because the U.S. deports them, the Salvadoran government refused to deal with them. They saw them as criminals. They were covered with tattoos, and you couldn’t get a job if you have a tattoo.”

Sometimes the military detained the deportees for questioning, torturing them to find out what they were up to, what they were planning, said Magdaleno. He visited their families in East L.A., taking videos of the youths. A high point was a reception he and then-California State Senator Tom Hayden organized at the U.S. ambassador’s house in San Salvador for the gang members that Magdaleno had befriended. “The kids all wore white shirts. They were wonderful young people once you got them directed out of this [gang] behavior,” recalled Rose-Avila. “They saw role models, as one said, ‘willing to love them.’”

In the end, though, it was a one-time event to please a visiting politician, and when Save the Children relocated its office to Miami in June of ’98, Rose-Avila was ready to leave. “I don’t think we had much impact,” she said. Many of those deported gang members never reformed, and El Salvador descended into a violent chaos that children now risk their lives to flee. Her husband, however, was more circumspect. “You plant a seed, and you hope it grows,” he said. “All the work you do with gangs is not quantifiable. You change attitudes, and they change other people’s attitudes.”

He cited a gang member in El Salvador who’s now an attorney. “I never talked to him about being an attorney,” he said. “I just raised his self-esteem.” While in El Salvador, Magdaleno founded Homies Unidos, which has a chapter in Los Angeles led by a former gang leader, Alex Sanchez, whom he praises for “turning people around on a regular basis.”

A storied figure in his own right, Magdaleno is one of 12 children of Mexican parents who came to the U.S. without documents. He started working at age 11 in the onion fields of Colorado, rising to become an organizer with Caesar Chavez. Alongside Sister Helen Prejean, author of Dead Man Walking, he founded the Moratorium Campaign, an anti-death penalty effort. He is currently executive director of the Northwest Immigrant Rights Project in Seattle, Washington.

He has seen a lot of hardship, and he takes the long view. His cousins in Juarez, just across the border in Mexico, don’t have papers. But they tell him that at a border crossing each day the guards step aside so all the maids and gardeners can come in. Their services are needed, and so accommodations are made.

The children escaping the gangs and coming across the border from Central America will keep coming, Magdaleno said. They would rather die on the journey than live without hope in their own countries.

TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Society

1 posted on 07/25/2014 10:28:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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She looks uncomfortable wearing this much makeup.

2 posted on 07/25/2014 10:31:16 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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Revised Title:

How Obama Started The Border Crisis by Getting LaRaza to Implement His Agenda

by Eleanor Clift

3 posted on 07/25/2014 10:32:40 PM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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Let me see if I can follow Miss Sunshine’s logic: the USA should take these gang members back because we didn’t grant them residency and deported them, maybe because they were in gangs (”domestic terrorism”), and now their home countries don’t want them either, so we should support them with welfare or imprisonment.
Ellie ... baby ... that stuff makes sense to a Democrat.
But nobody else.

4 posted on 07/25/2014 10:50:46 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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Does anyone west of the Potomac even listen to what that dried out old hag has to say?

5 posted on 07/25/2014 10:51:15 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Tennessee Nana; Liz; TADSLOS; EXCH54FE; GeronL; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; ...
RE:”How America Started The Border Crisis (Blame America First 2.0)”

Don't forget that the US funds the drug cartels by not legalizing illegal drugs here, forcing them all to come here to get away from there.

So to make it up we must take them in and overwhelm our schools and welfare systems and maybe take on their bedbugs too.
Sorry blacks, Obama says you must get behind them in line.

Didn't he tell you (blacks) about this in 2012?

6 posted on 07/25/2014 10:51:25 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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Eleanor Clift=BIRD BRAIN

7 posted on 07/25/2014 11:02:15 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Just because I'm paranoid, it doesn't mean I'm wrong.)
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Eleanor Clift=BIRD BRAIN

G. Gordon Liddy used to use the word "nitwit."

8 posted on 07/25/2014 11:07:52 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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The argument is lame

9 posted on 07/25/2014 11:08:42 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Steely Tom

Po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to.........I wouldn’t trust her to put my groceries away.......

10 posted on 07/25/2014 11:12:18 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Just because I'm paranoid, it doesn't mean I'm wrong.)
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The kids all wore white shirts. They were wonderful young people once you got them directed out of this [gang] behavior,” recalled Rose-Avila. “They saw role models, as one said, ‘willing to love them.

In the evening they all gathered around the campfire and sang Kumbaya. Next day they were issued brand-new T-shirts with an image of Che Guevara on the front.

11 posted on 07/26/2014 2:06:36 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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La Raza President and CEO Janet Murguia, at La Raza's annual conference in LA, said it sickened her to hear Americans chanting. She accused Murietta, Ca protesters of having "cloaked their hatred in patriotism" by shouting "'USA! USA!' again and again." "It made me angry," she said. "In fact, I was outraged."

Murguia demanded amnesty and said the road to the White House for Republicans goes through the Latino community and La Raza. She also said Republicans who want to rescind the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program will not get Hispanic votes.

She repeatedly excoriated protesters. "What we saw in Murrieta is not patriotism. It is ugly, divisive, and yet another low in a debate I thought could not get much lower." Murguia did not say comment on "Viva La Raza!" chants from pro-amnesty advocates. Murguia said it was "reprehensible" for Republicans to be "concerned" about disease and crime the "little kids" may be bringing across the border.


Mmmmm......these people are getting very that they're living in a place w/ running water and flush toilets.

One Murietta agitator carried a sign proclaiming, "You are on stolen land".....reinforcing that we are being invaded preparatory to the armed takeover of the SW.

The stupid La Razans fail to realize---America is not some Third World hellhole where people crap in a hole in the ground.

This is a thriving Republic where people have the right to free speech, freedoms given is b/c we have a two-party system.

La Raza's drumming up hatred for Republicans is tantamount to advocating the overthrow of the US govt.....and she's doing it on the taxpayers' dime.

No question blood-thirsty La Raza is using our tax dollars to aid and abet the criminal contagion-invasion and the SW takeover.


<><> La Raza----a violent organization planning to overthrow the US govt----would pocket $100 million tax dollars per year ad infinitum from the Senate amnesty bill.

<><> La Raza also received suck-up Democrat earmarks from US tax coffers.

<><> La Raza received US tax monies to engage in (cough) "mortgage counseling" facilitated by La Raza's comrade in arms---the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.


Boobamba sucks up to blood-thirsty La Razans. Americans have the most racist and divisive President in US history. No other president has appointed individuals apparently colluding with foreign countries try to undermine the safety and security of US citizens.

Obummer appointed Celia Munoz to the "Domestic Policy Council".....Munoz was a onetime lobbyist for the blood-thirsty La Raza. "La Raza" proclaims itself a racist and anti-American organization. It's core goal is to overwhelm the American Southwest with illegals ---pressure groups who will vote in their mouthpiece----and cause the region to break away from the US and become Mexican territory.

12 posted on 07/26/2014 3:28:31 AM PDT by Liz (Another Clinton administration? Are you nuts?)
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Self-righteous Nancy Pelosi whines: “Every child, every person, has a spark of divinity in them and is therefore worthy of respect….... we are all God’s children.”

Nancy conveniently excludes American children. Democrats think it's okay to steal from them, expose them to exotic deadly diseases, dismember them during birth, brainwash them into being willing sheep led to the slaughter, adopt them out to homosexual pedophiles, deny them medical care, or whatever abuses Democrats have yet to dream up.

Self-righteous Democrats label us "meanies" b/c we want to protect our children----we don't want to bankrupt our children's futures----we don't want to expend all of America's resources to the tenth generation to subsidize illegal "children".

Besides, we were here first. We did not invite illegals to the party.......they came here to leech off of us and to takeover the SW.


Obama meets El Salvador's President Salvador Sanchez Ceren,
Guatemalan President Otto Perez Molina and Honduran President
Juan Orlando Hernandez to discuss border crisis.

The invaders have four govts advancing the interests of the invaders.

US citizens have no one protecting their interests from the invasion.

13 posted on 07/26/2014 3:31:27 AM PDT by Liz (Another Clinton administration? Are you nuts?)
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Nancy Pelosi whines:we are all God’s children.
The idiot ever wonder why some animals eat their young the illegals are useless to all we now have mass cockroach invasion.

14 posted on 07/26/2014 7:04:54 AM PDT by Vaduz
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15 posted on 07/26/2014 7:08:30 AM PDT by Liz (Another Clinton administration? Are you nuts?)
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16 posted on 07/26/2014 7:13:06 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There goes breakfast.

17 posted on 07/26/2014 10:58:11 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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Blame the victim, the U.S., not the culprits - those who immigrated illegally, deserved no amnesty or “refugee status” and instead of turning back home turned to violence here - ALL their choices, not ours.

18 posted on 07/26/2014 11:57:28 AM PDT by Wuli
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America didn't start the "border crisis".

Obama started the border crisis.

Obama isn't America. Those two terms are mutually exclusive.

19 posted on 07/26/2014 3:28:37 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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