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10 Shadowy Biblical Characters No One Can Explain
Listverse ^ | July 24, 2014 | Brent Sanders

Posted on 07/26/2014 7:09:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The canonical Bible is filled with mysterious characters, many of whom drop in for a cameo, do their thing, and then slide out, never to be heard from again. Some are merely extras, but some have a contextual presence that begs further examination. And some are, well, just weird.

10 Melchizedek

Probably the single most mysterious figure in the Bible, Melchizedek was a priest-king of Salem (later known as Jerusalem) in the time of Abram (Abraham), suggesting a religious organization, complete with ritual and hierarchy, that predated the Jewish nation and their priestly lineage from the tribe of Levi. He is only portrayed as active in one passage, although he is alluded to once in Psalms, and several times in the New Testament’s Epistle to the Hebrews.

Some Jewish disciplines insist that Melchizedek was Shem, Noah’s son. He is thought of, in Christian circles, as a proto-messiah, embodying certain traits later given to Christ. New Testament writings assert that Christ was “a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek,” indicating an older and deeper covenant with God than the Abrahamic-Levite lineage.

Hebrews 7, though presents him in a more unusual light. In verses 3 and 4:

“Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning
of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest
continually. Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the
patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.”
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TOPICS: History; Reference; Religion; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: bible; christianity; faithandphilosophy; history; judaism; masons; melchizedek; messiah; mormons; rosicrucians; saturn
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1 posted on 07/26/2014 7:09:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obviously Cain’s wife would have been his sister. Possibly a rebellious sister who had trouble with what God required.


2 posted on 07/26/2014 7:12:06 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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3 posted on 07/26/2014 7:13:19 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only one there that really interests me is Melchizedek.

It would make sense that he might be Shem, as Shem was still alive and not that far apart, generationally speaking from Abraham.


4 posted on 07/26/2014 7:18:12 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bump


5 posted on 07/26/2014 7:20:42 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Beloved Disciple

The most obvious nominee is John the Apostle, one of Christ’s inner circle of 12 and the namesake of the Gospel. But none of the 12 apostles were present at the crucifixion, so that crosses him off the list...

Say wha..? Don't think that's a mystery.

6 posted on 07/26/2014 7:20:47 PM PDT by abishai
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bump for later.


7 posted on 07/26/2014 7:22:07 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: Jonty30
>>>It would make sense that he might be Shem, as Shem was still alive and not that far apart, generationally speaking from Abraham.

That's always been my guess as to who he was...

8 posted on 07/26/2014 7:22:52 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Jonty30

Took after her mother.


9 posted on 07/26/2014 7:23:22 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Jonty30

Shem lived long after the death of Abraham. And wouldn’t it make sense he is the Priest since he’s the oldest male of the Semite family? One Jewish story is when Rebekah goes to inquire about the twins in her womb she goes to Shem.


10 posted on 07/26/2014 7:23:59 PM PDT by abishai
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Deut 29:29.
Not a problem at all. While these individuals remain mysterious, the Lord has chosen not to reveal anything more than what is in the Bible. This list is just that—it serves to wet your appetite and read it. But there is much more in the Bible that is “mysterious.” How about the “sons of god” mentioned in Genesis? Who were they and did they really mate with human women?

And who were those three guys that walked to meet Abraham in Genesis chapter 18? And they ate lamb, something that if it is good enough for God, it is good enough for me.

We are not to know everything it seems, and we do not.

11 posted on 07/26/2014 7:26:44 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rosicrucians is a keyword to this story? Alright.


12 posted on 07/26/2014 7:29:27 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: BeadCounter

Did you read the article? They are in there.


13 posted on 07/26/2014 7:30:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Jonty30

http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/92/Q1/

...Wisdom and righteousness didn’t begin at Sinai. One need look no farther than the Chumash to see that Mankind had mitzvot and Divine wisdom before the giving of the Torah...

...it’s quite rational that academies always existed for the study of the seven Noachide laws and the prophetic wisdom of the time.

Therefore, Noah’s son Shem and Shem’s grandson Ever directed an academy in Be’er Sheva where these traditions were studied and upheld in the hope that they be passed on to future generations...


14 posted on 07/26/2014 7:31:05 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank you. I see it. Apologies.


15 posted on 07/26/2014 7:32:28 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: All
For me the most mysterious figure is the Roman Centurian in the book of Matthew.

I just find it fascinating and a little mind blowing. A Centurian? A Roman officer, a follower of Christ before He died on the cross. How did he meet Christ? How did he know of his teachings?

Something must have happened, an interaction, did Christ carry his pack two miles instead of one? Imagine the conversation and the conversion, Christ walking with a Centurian, talking to him, the religion of the Jews a complete pile of nonsense to a tough Roman officer.

Really, something happened that we know nothing about for this Roman to be a follower of Christ well before He rose from the dead.

I take no credit at the theory of Christ carrying the officers pack two miles, that is from a personal conversation with my priest who also finds this man so interesting and a mystery.

16 posted on 07/26/2014 7:37:59 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: BeadCounter

No need.


17 posted on 07/26/2014 7:40:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Melchizedek is interesting in that I suspect he is in some way linked to the Code of Hammurabi.


18 posted on 07/26/2014 7:42:06 PM PDT by fso301
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To: abishai

Yeah, I thought John was there:

John 19:26–27: Woman, behold your son. Behold your mother.


19 posted on 07/26/2014 7:44:23 PM PDT by TropicanaRose
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To: fso301

http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/92/Q1/

...’The Code of Hamurabi’ (18th century B.C.E.) is one of the oldest known legal codes on record. I heard from Rabbi Simcha Wasserman, zatzal, that Hamurabi was most likely a dropout from the academy of Shem and Ever...


20 posted on 07/26/2014 7:47:39 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Jonty30
Obviously Cain’s wife would have been his sister. Possibly a rebellious sister who had trouble with what God required.

Rather than being afraid of his siblings, or relatives, why did Cain fear death by others? Who were the others?

Might Cain be what's now called Cro-Magnon? Might his wife be either Cro-Magnon, or part of the other... a Neanderthal?

21 posted on 07/26/2014 7:49:14 PM PDT by fso301
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Adam and Eve were the first Humans created....God may have create others after the fall.
22 posted on 07/26/2014 7:49:44 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Fungi

The more important fact is that we know everything we need to know.


23 posted on 07/26/2014 7:50:21 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: jjotto

Interesting. Thanks.


24 posted on 07/26/2014 7:51:55 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

If one of your brothers killed a brother you loved, you might be inclined to seek revenge. We don’t know how many children Adam had at this point.

One interesting interpretation of God’s statement seven-fold was not that God was protecting Cain, but a prophecy how Cain’s descendants would deal with those they have problems with. They would punish those they ruled over much greater than the offense given.

Watch this video, it might take a few of days to fit it all in. I found it interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spmOT2lYVVc


25 posted on 07/26/2014 7:54:29 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I always wondered about three in particular.

One is the demoniac from whom Jesus casts the demons into the swine.

Another is the unnamed follower who runs off from Gethsemane after he loses his clothes when they try to capture him.

The third is the young man found in Jesus’ tomb who basically announces the resurrection.


26 posted on 07/26/2014 7:55:21 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Dallas59

Never thought of that. Thanks.


27 posted on 07/26/2014 7:55:51 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
New Testament writings assert that Christ was “a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek,”

Mitt Romney is also.

28 posted on 07/26/2014 7:56:51 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Jonty30
Obviously Cain’s wife would have been his sister.

I don't think so. By that time, Adam and Eve had been long expelled from Eden. Don't assume no more people were created in the outside world just because the bible omits that information. It also doesn't mention the sister you assumed.

29 posted on 07/26/2014 8:00:27 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I went to the link and read the whole thing.

Very interesting material. Thanks for posting the article.


30 posted on 07/26/2014 8:01:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Jonty30

Wouldn’t that mean that we are all ancestors of a very incestuous family ?


31 posted on 07/26/2014 8:03:02 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

There is a lot that the Bible doesn’t cover explicitly. The Bible would have to be the same area of a football field and a mile high in order to cover everything that every human could possibly want to know. Good luck reading that. :)

There are somethings that can only be deduced by reasonable reasoning. Is it more reasonable that Cain’s wife come from a different species or is it more reasonable to deduce that Cain might not have been the only child of Adam to have a problem with the requirements of God and acted on their wayward desire?


32 posted on 07/26/2014 8:04:09 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: firebrand

Never considered it that way. Thank you.


33 posted on 07/26/2014 8:05:22 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: UCANSEE2

The reason why incest is forbidden is because genetic malformations are the result when two people, who are too genetically similar, mate. It does not mean that it was always going to be allowed.

At this point in time, there was little risk that a malformed child would be born. It was a necessary allowance to populate the earth enough where dissimilar people would eventually be born where the restriction could be brought in.


34 posted on 07/26/2014 8:06:56 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Dallas59
Adam and Eve were the first Humans created....God may have create others after the fall.

There are some problems with this view. They pretty much all stem from the fact that if Adam isn't the father of all then we were not all condemned by his failure in the garden. It snowballs from there.

35 posted on 07/26/2014 8:07:54 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Interesting post! Thanks, 2DV.


36 posted on 07/26/2014 8:11:41 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“He later killed his younger brother Abel in a hissy fit over his sacrifice of meat being more favored than Cain’s sacrificial fruit basket.”

Hissy fit? Haha. That’s one way to put it.


37 posted on 07/26/2014 8:12:21 PM PDT by Politicalkiddo (You cannot protect a child from child abuse by aborting it. Abortion *is* child abuse.)
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To: Jonty30

bump


38 posted on 07/26/2014 8:13:06 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: UCANSEE2

It also wouldn’t be the only time when a population was created out of a narrow choice of humans. I read about a guy who had a family on an island and he had six children, three females and three males. To ensure their survival, he had them marry but he created rules where future mates could not be chosen from the same branch but from one of the different branches.

I understand the island is still inhabited with no serious medical conditions.


39 posted on 07/26/2014 8:15:29 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30

A pro-life freeper has told me that undesirable genetic traits do not show up with only one incestuous act but occur with inbreeding over a period of time.

I also remember learning, way back, that the ban against brother-sister incest was due to the fact that the attraction, combining siblinghood with sexual partnership, would be too strong between the two and would prevent them from ever finding an appropriate mate. This obviously refers to temporary brother-sister incest. It is clothed in authority in my memory, so it may have been the nuns.


40 posted on 07/26/2014 8:22:10 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

He would be correct that inbreeding does not happen just because of a single act. It comes from concentrating the gene pool until there is no variation left to draw from.

I don’t know about your second point, but I think it was done to ensure viability of the human race and it was done when it was appropriate to do.


41 posted on 07/26/2014 8:26:18 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30
If one of your brothers killed a brother you loved, you might be inclined to seek revenge.

That Cain was permitted to live suggests extenuating circumstances. Did it occur so close to The Fall that God hadn't given a set of laws covering murder? Perhaps it was a case of manslaughter rather than murder? Even if it was manslaughter, it has always appeared to me to be a situation where no prior law existed.

Might Cain's conduct while displeasing to God have broken no law and therefore God in his displeasure banished Cain? If yes, wouldn't it be suggestive of an event closer to The Fall than The Flood?

42 posted on 07/26/2014 8:29:14 PM PDT by fso301
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To: pgyanke

great point. i never assumed that other humans may have been created. just to avoid incest, etc.


43 posted on 07/26/2014 8:34:09 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (civil law: commanding what is right and prohibiting what is wrong Blackstone Commentaries I p44)
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To: Jonty30

Thank you for remembering that for me.


44 posted on 07/26/2014 8:40:07 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (http://thegatwickview.tumblr.com/ http://thepurginglutheran.tumblr.com/)
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To: fso301

If there was no law, God could not hold Cain accountable. So there must have been principles in place for God to do that.

One of the principles that repeatedly arise in Scripture is that God never renders judgement until the spirit of disobedience is complete. That is one of the reasons why, in the OT, that God commanded some nations for destruction and others He commanded to be left alone.

It was likely this to be the case with Cain. Cain did kill Abel, but there was always the possibility at that point that Cain could repent and turn back to God. As long as that was there, God would leave Cain to make his choices.

That does not mean that God was not willing to judge Cain because we are all subject to the Final Judgement.


45 posted on 07/26/2014 8:42:40 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: jjotto

What did Adam know?


46 posted on 07/26/2014 8:43:29 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Jonty30

So incest would be OK with God if it didn’t lead to genetic malformations? Nonsense.


47 posted on 07/26/2014 8:47:02 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: pgyanke

What failure in the Garden?


48 posted on 07/26/2014 8:47:38 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Jonty30

You left out the possibility of God creating other people who weren’t mentioned specifically.


49 posted on 07/26/2014 8:52:02 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: P.O.E.

“One is the demoniac from whom Jesus casts the demons into the swine.”

I suspect there is much more going on here than Jesus simply showing us the very real demonic spirit world in contention all around us, we learn things like, how many potentially there could be, meaning its a lot more than we may understand, and we learn they know there is a time coming when they will be tormented, and they knew it wasn’t that time yet,

This encounter happened in the area known as Bashan,

When we read Psalm 22, written by David 1000 years before this psalm was fulfilled, we’re being shown firsthand information about whats happening at the cross,

“They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded. “ v5

“Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round. They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion. v. 12-13

It happened so it would fulfill the scripture at the cross, but I suspect there is still even more going on here that we need to consider,


50 posted on 07/26/2014 8:55:59 PM PDT by captmar-vell
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