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FR Contest: Guess the number of senior VA executives who will be fired by 12/31/2014?
one man's opinion...

Posted on 07/29/2014 7:04:02 AM PDT by ken5050

Congress finally passed a bill to attempt to deal with the many problems at the VA. Included in the bill is a provision that allows the VA Secretary to fire senior executives who perform poorly or break the rules by lying or otherwise concealing problems at VA facilities. So.....


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It's contest time

You are invited to guess the number of senior executives who will be fired between now and the end of the year, 12/31/2014.

Contest Note: The bill also provides that fired executives will be eligible for a 21 day, unpaid appeal process. Those fired, and who successfully win back their jobs on appeal, WILL NOT COUNT. Thus, you could pick, for example, 5, and 3 might win appeals. The correct number is therefore 2.

TIE BREAKER: As we are likely to have more than one correct answer, the tie breaker question is: How many rounds of golf will Obama play between now and the end of this year?

1 posted on 07/29/2014 7:04:02 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: ken5050

Zero. They will all be allowed to retire, or resign so they can pursue other government employment.


2 posted on 07/29/2014 7:05:36 AM PDT by Yogafist
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To: ken5050

None.


3 posted on 07/29/2014 7:06:00 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: ken5050

I expect the ones fired by previous administrations will be rehired with back pay.


4 posted on 07/29/2014 7:06:35 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: ken5050

Is this a trick question?

Zero.

I win, I win...... I win.

Sadly we all lose.


5 posted on 07/29/2014 7:07:14 AM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Would Winston Churchill stand still for all this nonsense? Cruz our new Churchill?)
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To: ken5050

Zero,none,nada.Do you intend to count resignations too,some may resign just to take a similar job elsewhere in government.


6 posted on 07/29/2014 7:07:14 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: mountainlion

0.


7 posted on 07/29/2014 7:07:25 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: ken5050

Zero. FedGov drones never get fired.


8 posted on 07/29/2014 7:07:41 AM PDT by clintonh8r (It's possible to love your country and hate your government. I'm proof of it.)
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To: ken5050

Mr. Ed could count high enough


9 posted on 07/29/2014 7:09:00 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: ken5050

97% +/- 3%


10 posted on 07/29/2014 7:09:37 AM PDT by Citizen Zed ("Freedom costs a buck o five" - Gary Johnston, TAWP)
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To: ken5050

You are going to have to define “senior executive”.

There are lots of coat-holders and hangers-on stashed at the VA after they have failed at higher-priority tasks, and some of them have impressive titles.


11 posted on 07/29/2014 7:11:13 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. Hat)
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To: clintonh8r

> Zero. FedGov drones never get fired.

Unless the buck the system and become whistleblowers. Under other presidencies this would have meant fired, resigned, or retired. Under this it means “terminated” permanently.


12 posted on 07/29/2014 7:11:35 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Citizen Zed

They will all either (1) get bonuses, (2) be allowed to retire with benefits, (3) be retrained at expensive “conferences”, (4) be promoted, (5) get the Congressional Medal of Freedom, (6) transfer to another Fed department or (7) remain in place and continue murdering Vets through neglect.


13 posted on 07/29/2014 7:13:08 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: ken5050
I'll go against the grain, and say: ONE.

It will take a few months to make the arrangements for a new position for the one who will take the fall.

14 posted on 07/29/2014 7:14:43 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi!)
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To: Yogafist

Your right, zero, this goes on all too much. I have seen it at the state level. Especially at tyhe Dept. of Corrections.


15 posted on 07/29/2014 7:16:07 AM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: ken5050

675.


16 posted on 07/29/2014 7:16:28 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Yogafist

Agree. 0 ultimately fired, ignoring early retires and the reinstated (or promoted).

Tiebreaker: 33 rounds of golf.


17 posted on 07/29/2014 7:20:18 AM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Yogafist

Zero is correct.

In 2013, I was a GS employee (gs13). I had my boss come up to note that the hq’s had a gs15 guy who got into serious trouble for comments he made (one can only guess it was against women)...but the hq’s was unable or unwilling to fire him. So, they were shifting him to our organization....and he was the new head of our group (formerly, our four-man group was adequately managed by myself).

I just stood there and shook my head. The guy needed roughly eighteen months to get to retirement age. They were going to assist him in getting to that. Beyond that...he was worthless, incapable of making competent decisions, and was mostly a political guy who made the bosses happy by always agreeing with them.

I drew up my walking papers and just left. I already had a military pension and waiting around for six more years to get a gs pension, in this type of environment....made no sense.

I would not allow these guys in the VA to retire or resign...I’d actually hand over evidence to state prosecution teams (not federal), and let them have a go at putting the guy into a state prison for a couple of years. It might suddenly turn all these VA managers into humble individuals.


18 posted on 07/29/2014 7:21:56 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: ken5050

It appears whoever wrote this headline had a problem with auto-correct.

Somehow the word “promoted” got changed to “fired”.

I would guess that eight VA executives will be promoted.

Also I predict that some clever Democrat operative will start combining fundraisers with rounds of golf, perhaps offering the opportunity to play a round of golf with the big guy for 100K. At that point Obama will never be seen at the White House again.


19 posted on 07/29/2014 7:22:35 AM PDT by Junk Silver
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To: ken5050

Since it is a government organization it is filled with bureaucrats who spend their days figuring out how to game the system for their financial advantage.

Bonus pay takes precedence over anything else because it is how they get around civil service pay-grades

And health of the patients comes AFTER money for bonuses


20 posted on 07/29/2014 7:23:41 AM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Cruz 2016)
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To: Night Hides Not

“I’ll go against the grain, and say: ONE.”

But, Whoopi Goldberg wants to know if that person will actually be “fired-fired”.


21 posted on 07/29/2014 7:25:15 AM PDT by moovova
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To: cripplecreek

My guess is the opposite, they will add about 20 or so.


22 posted on 07/29/2014 7:25:35 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: ken5050

They will find 1 person who is 2 days from retirement and fire them.

The media will play it all up to make Obama appear to be doing something about it. All for show of course.


23 posted on 07/29/2014 7:26:18 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: ken5050

Zero.

Tie breaker: 97.


24 posted on 07/29/2014 7:27:04 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: ken5050

None and any convicted of criminal wrong doing will be pardoned by Obama.


25 posted on 07/29/2014 7:34:40 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: ken5050

Are you kidding me? If this bill goes thru, they will hire 20% more than they have now and nothing will change.


26 posted on 07/29/2014 7:34:44 AM PDT by anoldafvet (Close the border!!!)
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To: ken5050

12 new hires on top of no fires


27 posted on 07/29/2014 7:35:00 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: ken5050

Fired? Hell, these senior execs will now be elevated to White House senior positions for the stellar work they did at the VA.


28 posted on 07/29/2014 7:39:07 AM PDT by ImNotLying
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To: ken5050

ZERO

29 posted on 07/29/2014 7:47:07 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Yogafist

Bzzzt.

Correct answer: However many have been critical of Barack Obama or have supported his opponents.


30 posted on 07/29/2014 8:48:06 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: Yogafist; ken5050; cripplecreek; WaterWeWaitinFor; liberalh8ter; clintonh8r; hal ogen; Busko; ...

I can’t believe how many people have forgotten how this administration operates!

The correct answer is: As many as have been critical of Obama or have supported his opponents.


31 posted on 07/29/2014 8:53:17 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: bolobaby

So zero, then...


32 posted on 07/29/2014 3:54:45 PM PDT by clintonh8r (It's possible to love your country and hate your government. I'm proof of it.)
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