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MI:Multiple Dog Attack Stopped by Gunfire. This one too Late.
Gun Watch ^ | 29 July, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 07/29/2014 3:54:44 PM PDT by marktwain


In Michigan, two Cane Corsos, a large breed descended from Roman war dogs, attacked a jogger.  A neighbor saw that the jogger was down with the dogs attacking him.   He  defended the attacked man with a .44 magnum, firing two shots, one in the air, the other at one of the dogs, grazing it.   That stopped the attack.   Later one of the dogs tried to return to the attack, but left when it saw the man with the gun.  From  freep.com:

A man mowing his lawn waved at Sytsma, a 46-year-old Livonia man, who politely waved back. The man said he continued mowing the lawn and the next time he saw Sytsma, he was in a nearby ditch being attacked by two loose dogs.

(snip)

The man who had been mowing shot a handgun into the air. Still, the dogs would not let go. So he shot at one of the dogs, grazing it in the side.
 The attacked man later died.  Cane Corsos tend to weigh over a 100 lbs as adults.   From wikipedia:
 The Cane Corso is not recommended for novice dog owners. As a puppy, it requires strong leadership and consistent training. Its natural instinct is to be suspicious of strangers and for this reason it is highly encouraged to begin socialization as soon as possible. Ideally the Cane Corso should be indifferent when approached and should only react in a protective manner when a real threat is present.
These multiple dog attacks show the utility of firearms in defending against animals.  

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TOPICS: Education; History; Pets/Animals; Society
KEYWORDS: 44mag; banglist; canecorsos; dog; dogping; dogs; dogsofpeace; mi
A breed that appears to be more dangerous than Pit Bulls. Larger, faster, more aggressive.
1 posted on 07/29/2014 3:54:44 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

What kind of person likes killer dogs?


2 posted on 07/29/2014 4:03:40 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: marktwain

Great, just great. We who like to walk will be thrilled to know that there are more pets out there who can kill us.
Just the way a guy wants to go too


3 posted on 07/29/2014 4:07:00 PM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: reefdiver

“Great, just great. We who like to walk will be thrilled to know that there are more pets out there who can kill us.
Just the way a guy wants to go too”

You’ll need to walk around with a hog leg 24/7 because of these losers with their novelty attack dogs.


4 posted on 07/29/2014 4:10:50 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: reefdiver

never fire a warning shot, its taught in the conceal carry Texas class, fire only to kill but they don’t call it that. In this case he should have shot all the dogs. You own that warning shot and its considered a careless endangerment of society to fire a warning shot that could go somewhere and hurt an innocent bystander. You should only fire to defend life.


5 posted on 07/29/2014 4:12:17 PM PDT by pwatson
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To: minnesota_bound

>> What kind of person likes killer dogs?

Mexican dope dealers favor ‘em.


6 posted on 07/29/2014 4:12:20 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: minnesota_bound

If I remember correctly, a couple lesbians in SF love killer dogs.


7 posted on 07/29/2014 4:15:04 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Stupid has consequences ... in healthcare it can be a fatal consequence!)
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To: marktwain

In South Central Texas, it’s Rockweillers s/. But sarcasm aside, the Pit bulls have been getting a very bad rap mainly due to the idiot owners. Your run of the mill Pit Bull should be extremely friendly with people, you just have to watch them around other dogs. Also, the Rotties are great if they don’t come from a backyard breeder, the German stock love people.
Disclaimer: this opinion comes from a man that has been working with dogs and cats for the past 33 years only.


8 posted on 07/29/2014 4:16:24 PM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: RetiredTexasVet
If I remember correctly, a couple lesbians in SF love killer dogs.

Wrong. That was the defense of the dog owner -- that the attacked and killed woman was a lesbian and wore an odd scented perfume. The dog owners were attorneys who bred them with the help of one of their imprisoned clients.

9 posted on 07/29/2014 4:35:00 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The dog owners also had sex with their “pets” and shared the videos with their clients in jail. It was a hideous case, and the poor woman who was attacked, whether she was a lesbian or not, was in no way responsible for this and in fact had asked both the owners and building management to do something about the dogs.


10 posted on 07/29/2014 4:44:03 PM PDT by livius
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To: 05 Mustang GT Rocks

Given these dogs were loose, I’d say it’s a safe bet they had an idiot owner as well.


11 posted on 07/29/2014 4:44:23 PM PDT by kanawa
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12 posted on 07/29/2014 4:44:36 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: marktwain

Was this the type of dog that killed that woman in California?

And I must dispute the author’s conclusion, just because this poor man ultimately died does not mean guns are an ineffectual defense against animals.

I’d like to know what other weapon would be more effective. I suppose most people don’t jog with guns, but if this runner had had his own gun he might be alive today.


13 posted on 07/29/2014 5:18:28 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: livius

Yes, that poor woman, she was ripped to death in her own hallway. And I think she was a lesbian, and iirc she was very athletic and in great shape. That did her no good against 2 killer dogs. When i grew up in an NYC apartment it was no dogs allowed. And those people who owned those dogs were just about as sick a couple as I’ve ever heard of.

Whatever happened to them? Did they go to prison? I certainly hope they got disbarred.


14 posted on 07/29/2014 5:22:04 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: pwatson

never fire a warning shot. if you can fire a warning you don’t need to fire. attorneys eat people up on this point. further if the warning shot goes somewhere and causes a problem, you have that to deal with.


15 posted on 07/29/2014 5:30:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: jocon307

“And I must dispute the author’s conclusion, just because this poor man ultimately died does not mean guns are an ineffectual defense against animals.”

The man with a gun stopped the attack very quickly. It was so stated in the article. The concluding line in the article was:

“These multiple dog attacks show the utility of firearms in defending against animals.”

How do you interpret that as saying that guns are an ineffectual defense against animals?


16 posted on 07/29/2014 5:38:27 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain
A breed that appears to be more dangerous than Pit Bulls. Larger, faster, more aggressive.

This is a very sad and tragic occurrence, but I want to know about the owners and what they did to these particular animals. There happen to be quite a few breeds that are larger and faster than Pit Bulls with the potential to do great physical harm. My dog is a Mastador, half English Mastiff and Half Labrador Retriever, he looks almost exactly like the dog you have pictured, weighs 140 pounds(slightly undersize for a male)and if abused would be able to do horrific damage. IF ABUSED, there are many breeds that were once bred for war and fighting that in modern times have become loyal and mellow companions. These two animals have been damaged and must be destroyed, but I want to find out about the human animals that ruined them.

17 posted on 07/29/2014 5:55:29 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: kanawa

Amen to that!


18 posted on 07/29/2014 5:59:02 PM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: Mastador1

Certainly there are many large dogs that are wonderful at what they do.

However, large animals are simply more dangerous than small animals.


19 posted on 07/29/2014 5:59:37 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

Oh, thank you! I’m an idiot and completely misread that as “futility”. LOL, I’m amazed I never made that mistake before, I never realized how close those 2 words are.


20 posted on 07/29/2014 6:04:13 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307

No, you are not an idiot. I have often made similar mistakes.

The only people who do not make mistakes, are those who do nothing. And doing nothing is the biggest mistake of all.


21 posted on 07/29/2014 6:07:08 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain
Sorry, your sounding silly, do we exterminate all large dogs because of their potential, how large is too large, do we exclude Labs and Goldens because they are used for the blind? Lot's of people been bit by Labs and Goldens. Where's your limit? are Great danes and English Mastiffs to big, how about Rottweilers and Dobermans, now there are two previous bogeymen that have been forgotten. Dogs are just dogs, they want to please people. It's people that destroy and damage individual animals, either by selective/inbreeding or abusing/training for aggression.
22 posted on 07/29/2014 6:11:05 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

My son has a Rottie and she’s a real wuss.

A delightful gal.

.


23 posted on 07/29/2014 6:14:20 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Mastador1

I never suggested that we exterminate any breeds.

What is silly about saying that large animals are more dangerous than small animals?


24 posted on 07/29/2014 6:15:38 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

If you’re offended I’m sorry, but that kind of generalization draws that kind of response from me on these stories because of all the “kill the breed” wackos that come out on this site. Of course a large animal has the “potential” to be more dangerous than small animals, but your blanket statement is hyperbole. Many vets will tell you they are more afraid of being bit by a small animal than a large, and visit any dog park where small and large dogs are together and you will quickly observe that small dogs are far and away more aggressive.


25 posted on 07/29/2014 6:26:38 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: jocon307

Presa Canario, as I recall.


26 posted on 07/29/2014 7:08:16 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: marktwain

That’s a funny-looking Pit Bull...

/s


27 posted on 07/29/2014 7:13:47 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Yes, you are right, that is what those other dogs were.

These dogs are not meant to be pets.

my in-laws have a dog like that. I think he’s a lab/pit bull mix. He’s definitely not pure lab.

He’s a very, very smart dog. Very sharp. And after much effort he’s become well trained, and now he’s a little older and he’s become rather sweet.

But in all honesty I don’t think he’s had such a happy life with them. But I could see that dog just having the time of his life being a police dog, or a military dog.

He’s a dog who needs a job.

Dogs are great for working, my grandmother used to extol the sheep dogs they’d had in Ireland. To her they were the greatest animals. “They did all the work” that was what she said, and you know I guess they pretty much did.

People are misusing some of these creatures and so often disaster results.


28 posted on 07/29/2014 7:41:37 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: marktwain

Not to say you’re silly...

Adding the qualifier ‘potentially’, as in...

Larger dogs are potentially more dangerous than smaller dogs.

yields a statement more reflective of reality.

When looking at individual dogs at times a smaller dog may in fact be more dangerous than a larger dog.

If, for instance, the larger dog shows no inclination to behave in an aggressive manner, but the smaller dog does,
then it would accurate to state that the smaller dog is more dangerous than the larger dog.

We still admit that larger dogs can do more damage given similiar aggressive behaviors,
while remaining aware of the potential danger that even smaller dogs can present.


29 posted on 07/29/2014 8:19:17 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Nervous Tick

These dogs are like powerful sportcars or those jap crotchrockets. You got to know how to handle them.
How many times do we read about some rich bozo wrapping their Labo into a tree because they didn’t know how to drive it.


30 posted on 07/30/2014 7:08:02 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Yorlik803
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31 posted on 07/30/2014 7:14:04 AM PDT by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence. /S)
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To: Stentor

facepalm....I did it again....Meant Lambo.


32 posted on 07/30/2014 7:16:07 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Yorlik803
facepalm....I did it again....Meant Lambo.

That Labo doesn't look like it could do anything but go straight. Jeremy Clarkson makes your point when he talks about how great a car is and then "it will kill you".

33 posted on 07/30/2014 7:23:12 AM PDT by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence. /S)
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To: Mastador1

But they don’t do NEAR the damage as when large dogs bite. And pit bulls are in a class all their own when it comes to damaging bites.


34 posted on 07/30/2014 7:53:05 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Ok, the joke's over. Bring back the Constitution.)
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To: Shimmer1
And pit bulls are in a class all their own when it comes to damaging bites.

Actually no. the Mastiff has the highest bite force in domestic dogs, PSI: 556, surprising? the Rottweiler comes in at second with PSI: 328, third goes to the German Shepherd, with PSI: 238 and then fourth is the American Pitbull with PSI: 235

The ten breeds involved in the most lethal attacks over the past ten years are pit bulls, rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, malamutes, Dobermans, chow chows, St. Bernards, Great Danes, and Akitas.

35 posted on 07/30/2014 8:24:29 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

I found that very interesting, but it’s not only the strength of their jaw, we also have to consider the way they bite. They fasten on and don’t let go, even unto death (shudder)
That being said, I didn’t consider ANY big dog, except Goldens and Labs, when I wanted a dog. My oldest son had a wonderful pit bull, sweet and friendly, but NO WAY would I take it when he needed a home for him. I had children at home and running children can inspire prey behavior in a dog.
Turned out we became guide dog puppy raisers and that satisfied my desire for a dog and to help others.


36 posted on 07/31/2014 4:17:57 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Ok, the joke's over. Bring back the Constitution.)
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To: marktwain

Something else coming out about the dog attack. It seems that the owners of the dogs are illegal aliens.

http://patch.com/michigan/wyandotte/owners-dogs-killed-livonia-jogger-country-illegally#.U9rTAmObxEt


37 posted on 07/31/2014 4:36:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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