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Scott Walker supports mass immigration, probably including amnesty
24Ahead ^ | 11/20/2013

Posted on 08/01/2014 4:01:21 PM PDT by SoConPubbie

Scott Walker supports mass immigration, probably including amnesty

As usual for those in the Koch family sphere, Wisconsin governor Scott Walker supports large-scale immigration. That is, a system where many more people could come here legally than do so currently.

Walker is also not a strong and vocal opponent of mass legalization (aka amnesty, aka a path to citizenship). Earlier this year he made a comment suggesting that he supports mass legalization, but now he's attempting to dance around that comment but without ruling out mass legalization. Walker clearly isn't an ideologue on immigration nor does he make it a priority. But, based on my long history of being right about who actually opposes mass legalization and who doesn't, all Walker is waiting for is the right set of circumstances to openly support mass legalization. Those circumstances might include things like a major donor wanting amnesty, or Walker thinking it would get him votes for his next election.

Walker supporters will no doubt disagree, so they're invited to get Walker to explicitly state that he will oppose any legalization plan for more than 100,000 illegal aliens. If he dodges that question, then no other answer is needed.

On July 2, 2013 Walker spoke to the Wausau Daily Herald editorial board [1] and was asked "The biggest split is about what to do about those 11 million, however many people it is. Can you envision a world where, with the right penalties and waiting periods and meet the requirements, where those people could get citizenship?"

Walker's response:

Sure. I think it makes sense. But, what I'm saying is [unintelligible] of fixing it. Because otherwise we do this kind of bandaid approach... the mere fact that [the federal government is] having that debate without having a discussion about why is the system itself, why aren't we fixing that just seems to be kind of the vacuum that decisions are made in at the federal level.

As can be seen on the video at [1], Walker's "Sure" wasn't just throat-clearing: he had no objection to giving citizenship to millions of illegal aliens. Imagine how someone who truly opposes amnesty would respond in such a case. Would they say, "sure"? Or, would they say "no way" and point out the problems inherent in such a legalization plan?

Earlier in the interview, Walker said this:

If people want to come here and work hard in America, I don't care if they come from Mexico, or Canada, or Ireland, or Germany or South Africa or anywhere else, I want them here. To me, if people want to come to live the American dream, if they want to work hard, self-determination and have their kids have a better life, that's what folks like my brothers-in-law who immigrated a generation ago from Mexico or people like my ancestors who came from places like Ireland and Germany and other parts of the world many generations ago. I mean, there's a similar pattern there people who risked a lot whether it was traveling across the ocean or across a national border... Not only do they have to fix things for people already here, find some way to deal with that, there's got to be a larger way to fix the system in the first place because if it wasn't so cumbersome, if there wasn't such a long wait if it wasn't so difficult to get in you wouldn't have the other problems that we have with people who don't have legal status here in the first place.

1. Walker is a typical fiscal conservative in that his only concern is economic: he's not concerned with the political and cultural impacts of immigration. What if, for example, immigration from one country gives that country political power inside the U.S. (see Mexican government)? Walker doesn't care.

2. Walker's idea that today's immigration is like yesteryear's is the immigration tradition fallacy, see the link.

3. Walker is using the system is broken canard.

4. The idea that more legal immigration would dry up illegal immigration is absurd. There's a huge supply of potential illegal aliens, and loosening our immigration laws even more would send a message to them that they should try to come here one way or another. Increasing legal immigration would increase the network effect, encouraging more people to come here one way or another. It would also give more power to the groups that currently support massive and/or illegal immigration.

Despite Walker clearly saying that he would support some kind of mass legalization, he's now trying to dance around it.

On today's "Morning Joe" program, a host said that Walker had "endorsed a pathway to citizenship". Walker responded: "One correction though, on immigration, I talk about fixing the legal immigration system, not going beyond that." [2]

Also today, Matthew Boyle of Breitbart News tries to cover for Walker [3]:

Towards the end of the interview, Bannon noted that "Amnesty is about the sovereignty of the country." But, he asked Walker, "the Washington Post said earlier that you're pro-pathway to citizenship."

"See now that's where they take it out of context," Walker said in response. "I've not said there should be amnesty in this country. I don't believe that. I don't support the legislation being kicked around. What I've said repeatedly is we need to fix the immigration system, but fix the legal system. So if people want to come in this country we should have a legal immigration system."

Bannon then interjected: "And take care of the borders and everything we have to do first."

Walker concurred, saying that any immigration reform efforts should "fix the front door."

"If you're somebody, whether you're from Mexico or Germany or Ireland, and you want to come to this country legally, we should find a way to make it happen," Walker said.

...Walker did not back a pathway to citizenship, as he clearly laid out in his interview with Bannon. At the time [note: apparently that means the Wausau interview], he was presented with a purely hypothetical situation. In laying out his stance back then, something that mainstream media reporters missed, Walker noted that the federal government tends to take a "band-aid approach" to reform of issues, rather than his gubernatorial-style handling of real reform aimed at actually fixing the problem.

To determine for yourself whether Walker was taken out of context, watch the video at [1].

On Nov. 18, 2013, Walker was asked "Do you think the next nominee for the Republican Party has to back a pathway for the 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country?" on CBS News' This Morning [4]. He responded:

Ah, but see, there's the difference. I talk about a legal pathway towards – not amnesty; not the legislation they're talking about in Washington... Well, to me, the – what we talk about with the debate in Washington is just addressing the symptom, not the overall problem. That's the difference between, again, what I see in the states and see in the federal government. The bigger problem is we don't have a legal immigration system. You know, my-

Then, asked if he would "give them temporary visas on a pathway to citizenship?", Walker said:

Well, I think you've got to fix the front door. Before you talk about who came in, you've got to fix the front door. My ancestors came from Germany and Ireland. My wife's family came from Sicily. My in-laws – my brother's in-laws, I should say, came from Mexico. And in every one of those cases, they came here as immigrants. But we also are a country not only of immigrants, but of laws. And right now, we don't enforce the law for legal immigration on the front end. You could fix all these other problems if we had a successful legal immigration system in – in the United States.

Needless to say, Walker has a set of lines that he trots out when questioned on immigration. At the very least, his supporters will have to admit that he's not a strong and vocal opponent of mass legalization. When given the chance to oppose it, he doesn't. Why won't he do that?

Note also that in December 2012, Walker backed away from his earlier support for an Arizona-style immigration law in his state: peekURL.com/vBbVbQ7

Walker supporters are encouraged to ask him to explicitly oppose any form of mass legalization for 100,000 or more illegal aliens. If he will do that, it will increase his chances of higher office. Write him at @ScottWalker and then tweet @24AheadDotCom if he responds.

If Walker refuses to respond, then you know the answer.

12/17/13 UPDATE: The Twitter handle I had for Walker was incorrect, now fixed.

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[1] washingtonpost . com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/07/03/
scott-walker-backs-path-to-citizenship-increased-immigration

[2] "Scott Walker Tacks Right on Immigration" from DNC_clips: youtube . com/watch?v=7KVwDQD_kGQ

[3] breitbart . com/Big-Government/2013/11/19/
Exclusive-Gov-Scott-Walker-I-don-t-support-amnesty-or-pathway
-to-citizenship-mainstream-took-me-out-of-context

[4] mrc . org/biasalerts/
cbss-norah-odonnell-badgers-scott-walker-2016-election-immigration


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1 posted on 08/01/2014 4:01:21 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

There are very few who will stand for what most Americans want.


2 posted on 08/01/2014 4:03:21 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SoConPubbie

Did the information come from du?


3 posted on 08/01/2014 4:03:34 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: SoConPubbie
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/19/Exclusive-Gov-Scott-Walker-I-don-t-support-amnesty-or-pathway-to-citizenship-mainstream-took-me-out-of-context
4 posted on 08/01/2014 4:03:47 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: no-to-illegals; Extremely Extreme Extremist
Did the information come from du?

Nope, simply by watching and hearing Scott Walker talk about his own positions on the issue:

YouTube Link: Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, in his own words, endorses a path to citizenship for Illegal Aliens in July of this year.
5 posted on 08/01/2014 4:05:37 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

The quotes don’t appear to support the author’s claims.


6 posted on 08/01/2014 4:07:00 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: SoConPubbie

and you are certain no splicing was done?


7 posted on 08/01/2014 4:07:23 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals
and you are certain no splicing was done?

Why are you asking me silly questions like that when all you have to do is click on the link and watch the video for yourself?
8 posted on 08/01/2014 4:08:57 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Wonder if this is a clue ... Cinderella wants to be a Bon Jovi?


9 posted on 08/01/2014 4:09:42 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Mount Athos
The quotes don’t appear to support the author’s claims.

Try watching the video of Scott Walker in post #5 and then re-evaluate.
10 posted on 08/01/2014 4:10:07 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Quit being a tool. Walker isn’t a declared candidate for anything and you’re hyperventilating with comments he made from early 2013, that he has already clarified.


11 posted on 08/01/2014 4:10:15 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

IN A NUTSHELL
UNION-KILLER AMNESTY-LOVER CANDIDATE


12 posted on 08/01/2014 4:11:09 PM PDT by magna carta
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To: SoConPubbie

In other words, you don’t know and don’t care because it supports your narrow-minded, pro-RAT position.


13 posted on 08/01/2014 4:11:29 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfusbutcher)
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To: Redleg Duke
In other words, you don’t know and don’t care because it supports your narrow-minded, pro-RAT position.

No, in other words you refuse to watch the video of Scott Walker yourself because you risk having all doubt that Walker actually does support Amnesty and is more Open-Border than you believe him to be today.
14 posted on 08/01/2014 4:13:38 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Darksheare

ping


15 posted on 08/01/2014 4:14:33 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Quit being a tool. Walker isn’t a declared candidate for anything and you’re hyperventilating with comments he made from early 2013, that he has already clarified.

No, there is no "qualifying" the statements he made in that video, there is changing positions because he immediately took heat from the conservative base.
16 posted on 08/01/2014 4:15:14 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: skeeter

I’d support mass immigration of: neurosurgeons, nanotechnologists, petrochemical engineers, and pharmacologists.....


17 posted on 08/01/2014 4:15:40 PM PDT by 4Liberty (Obama is O'Bryan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUoPNpa9Rrw)
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To: magna carta

Until Walker declares, your prognosis on Walker’s immigration stand is inconclusive.


18 posted on 08/01/2014 4:16:05 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: SoConPubbie

So Walker’s statements made after the video is chopped liver?


19 posted on 08/01/2014 4:16:36 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: SoConPubbie

Scott Walker clarifies his stance in illegal immigration debate

. His response to what people assumed his position was from the video.
20 posted on 08/01/2014 4:17:50 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Most of the RINOs are all in for amnesty, including the governors of a lot of states, along with their state governments. Both parties are fighting over that sweet pool of slave labor coming up to “el norte”, and the business interests financing these politicians want to see some results.

Want to stop illegals from overrunning the border? Kneecap the ag lobby, and the US CoC. Throw in the trade unions and social service caseworkers too.


21 posted on 08/01/2014 4:18:16 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Looks like the state and local government commies are still after him.


22 posted on 08/01/2014 4:18:48 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Yup, another Booshie Shamnesty loser.


23 posted on 08/01/2014 4:19:29 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: SoConPubbie
silly questions

Do you want to tell me how to live my life? Have a nice day!

24 posted on 08/01/2014 4:21:19 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: VRWC For Truth
Yup, another Booshie Shamnesty loser.

That's completely false. Walker in SoConPubbie's link was clearly talking about the need to welcome those with skill sets who would contribute to the U.S. This is also Ted Cruz's position.

Me? I vehemently oppose amnesty and also would like to see a moratorium on legal immigration, but I can understand Walker's point. Also bear in mind that Walker is not a declared candidate other than his re-election for Governor.

25 posted on 08/01/2014 4:24:19 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: SoConPubbie
there is changing positions because he immediately took heat from the conservative base.

No, he simply took the standard position of most Republicans (including Ted Cruz) and the leftist media took it out of context.

26 posted on 08/01/2014 4:26:31 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: SoConPubbie
There are two kinds of Republican candidates for President:

1. Current or ex-Governors who are experienced in running a large executive branch. Governors who, in order to govern, had to make some concessions to the opposition such as raising a tax or allowing some money to be spent on boondoggles. Governors who almost always seem to "learn" (presumably from those that give them money) that following the rule of law or the Constitution is not that clear cut an issue, e.g. maybe it's OK to give amnesty to illegals.

2. Senators or Congressmen that come from safe Republican districts that can afford to hold the most satisfyingly conservative positions and support those positions with the most glorious and inflammatory (towards liberals) rhetoric. Senators and Congressmen who also have absolutely no experience running a large executive enterprise and who would most likely be run by their staff if they ever won office.

Basically we are hosed. In the past, great individuals were able to run large executive enterprises without compromising their core principles. This does not appear to be the case today.

Those who support Cruz or Paul are similar to those who supported DeLay. They are supporting someone who agrees with them 100%, or at least appears in public to support them 100%. Cruz and Paul can say whatever they want. They come from safe seats. But what would they be like if they won the presidency?

Reagan had executive experience before moving into the Whitehouse. He was able to carve out a space for himself to move and remain rock solid conservative on some of the most important issues. However, even he was unable to resist the impulse to make concessions that have been very damaging to this country, e.g. 1986 illegal alien amnesty.

Cruz seems to be made of strong enough stuff to remain true to his principles, but if he were to be elected would he be able to keep all of his troops on message? Or would he end up being the slave of neocon assistants and advisors?

27 posted on 08/01/2014 4:26:53 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Palin, Cruz, or LOSE. Your choice.


28 posted on 08/01/2014 4:27:06 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: VRWC For Truth

I’m a Palin supporter. I’m just pointing out the fact that Cruz supports legal immigration with virtually no restrictions. He’s never talked about the need to focus on a Euro-centric policy, which was the case prior to Ted Kennedy’s disastrous 1965 co-sponsored law. America was built by immigrants from Western Europe. That is simply a fact and is in no way Stormfrontesque-racist.


29 posted on 08/01/2014 4:30:03 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: no-to-illegals

Scott Walker is squishy and wishy-washy on many controversial issues. He is what he is, even though he stood firmly against the unions. He is an establishment-type and he is close friends with Reince Priebus, as he ran the Wis GOP when he lived in Wisconsin. Unless we push Ted Cruz to the fore in the primaries, the alternatives are all squishy GOP-e’s.


30 posted on 08/01/2014 4:32:49 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: magna carta

get real and do some homework....don’t fall for CRAP!


31 posted on 08/01/2014 4:36:32 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: SoConPubbie
I'm going to have to re-read and re=evaluate every one of your posts in light of your newly revealed bias.

My opinion of you has just changed for the worst.

Your "hatchet job" was uncalled for.

32 posted on 08/01/2014 4:36:46 PM PDT by capt. norm
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To: 4Liberty

What about Asian women?


33 posted on 08/01/2014 4:38:10 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: rabidralph

Scott Walker is NOT a squish.....geesh.....try going up against what he has and try not to SQUEAL LIKE A GIRL!!!! Geesh....I cannot believe how GULLIBLE Freepers have become!!


34 posted on 08/01/2014 4:38:12 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: rabidralph

Isn’t it wonderful to still have an opinion?


35 posted on 08/01/2014 4:38:42 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: SoConPubbie
"But, based on my long history of being right about who actually opposes mass legalization"

Keep heaping praise on yourself.

You are starting to make me nauseous.

36 posted on 08/01/2014 4:42:52 PM PDT by capt. norm
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To: rabidralph
Scott Walker is squishy and wishy-washy on many controversial issues.

On what issues is Walker squishy on?

37 posted on 08/01/2014 4:43:24 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: SoConPubbie

What you are doing here is weird and not productive.

Can’t you find something positive to do?


38 posted on 08/01/2014 4:43:26 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: 4Liberty

Hey at this point I’d just be happy if they didn’t have scabies, TB and MS13 gang tats. :-)


39 posted on 08/01/2014 4:43:54 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Least we forget Ebola? Guess God knows the reason. Not certain can remember. CDC, am counting on you to contain! Wake me up if not done.


40 posted on 08/01/2014 4:49:20 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: SoConPubbie

Every dollar spent on a real double fence saves $100 caring for and feeding illegal aliens.


41 posted on 08/01/2014 4:58:49 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: no-to-illegals

Just in case the CDC has no clue and it gets away from them make sure you have enough provisions to self quarantine at home for a 2-3 mos.


42 posted on 08/01/2014 5:03:36 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Great point Georgia!


43 posted on 08/01/2014 5:04:58 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: SoConPubbie

Which is how politicians learn. If you honestly think that you’re going to deport 11 million illegals via your next President, you’re nuts. That will not happen in this universe. Try the Marvel Universe, they’ve got plenty of crazy storylines.


44 posted on 08/01/2014 5:05:27 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
You've been listening to the politicians? Research IKE. Don't live on Ecstasy. Research is our friend.
45 posted on 08/01/2014 5:07:50 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Travis McGee

That Train and then there is the Track!


46 posted on 08/01/2014 5:09:15 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: skeeter

bump


47 posted on 08/01/2014 5:10:18 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: no-to-illegals

No thanks. I don’t have a monomania. We need to stop further incursions, but evicting 11 million people is politically impossible. We won’t win on that.


48 posted on 08/01/2014 5:14:52 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Travis McGee

My full agreement, Travis and Matt. Thunder has Struck!


49 posted on 08/01/2014 5:15:41 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Travis McGee

You’ve got it Matt!


50 posted on 08/01/2014 5:21:18 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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