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Why do some Catholics vote Democrat? (Vanity)
Vanity | 08-01-2014 | Me

Posted on 08/01/2014 5:41:40 PM PDT by Thorliveshere

I have a co-worker I've known for many years (10), and all this time, from how spoke out against abortion, homosexuality & gay marriage, common sense, drugs, and so many other progressive ideals, that I assumed she was a Republican, until today.

We got onto the topic of class warfare and poverty. Well.. I was stunned to find that she supported the Democrats wholly on this, that was the only reason she did, that the fact they supported everything else she stood against, didn't matter. Republicans, Conservatives, and especially the Tea Party were liars and were rich and hated the poor, and they should completely support welfare programs, and they weren't "paying their fair share."

To say the least, I lit into her and was aghast at her stance. I guess I could have been a little more "velvet glove" about it, but it just got me angry, as I've seen this in other Catholics who support the welfare system (they must do EVERYTHING they can to fight the war on poverty), and America just wasn't throwing enough money down the rat hole.

Just what percentage of Catholics are like this? This is aggravating, when they SHOULD be the more conservative among us. I know there are lot of good Catholics here, but what have you guys encountered?


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1 posted on 08/01/2014 5:41:40 PM PDT by Thorliveshere
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To: Thorliveshere
Some!!!!
2 posted on 08/01/2014 5:42:28 PM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: Thorliveshere

Why do some Baptists vote democrat?

Why do some Methodists vote democrat?


3 posted on 08/01/2014 5:44:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Thorliveshere

And why do Jewish people vote Democrat?


4 posted on 08/01/2014 5:44:40 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Thorliveshere

Some??? Most, and they always have.

Only 4 or 5 times (it is disputed), has the Catholic vote gone republican.


5 posted on 08/01/2014 5:44:45 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Thorliveshere

You mean like Pelosi, Biden, etc. or real Catholics?


6 posted on 08/01/2014 5:44:52 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (His Arrogance would love to replace John Kerry-Heinz but all the trained monkeys turned him down.)
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To: cripplecreek

The majority of the Protestant vote has only gone democrat 3 times, in 1932, 1936, and 1964.

The most republican vote in America is the Evangelical, and especially the Southern Baptist denomination, second only to the Catholic denomination in size.


7 posted on 08/01/2014 5:47:02 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Thorliveshere

Because they are fakes

Real people of faith would not vote Demonrat nowadays. It’s a contradiction by definition


8 posted on 08/01/2014 5:47:21 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Get rid of "birthright citizenship" Out of room . . . no mas)
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To: ansel12

Our parish is heavily republican. Of course, our town tends towards republican. Outlying parishes are in a number of coal-mining patch towns. They tend democrat. It’s a union thing, I think.


9 posted on 08/01/2014 5:47:59 PM PDT by sneakers
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To: fwdude

Some of my Catholic family were staunch Democrats. The explanations were that the “Democrats are the working party,” and “In the old days when a Catholic family was struggling the Democrats would always show up with food baskets.”

There is some strange lore that runs through many Catholics that Republicans are rich and do nothing for the poor. Of course, the rest of know that the studies show that affluent Republicans always give more to charities than do affluent Democrats, but try to break through their embedded logic and you hit a brick wall.


10 posted on 08/01/2014 5:48:38 PM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: Thorliveshere

Because like holy mother Nancy Pelosi and blessed father Anthony J. Soprano, they are Catholics in Name Only.


11 posted on 08/01/2014 5:49:33 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: angry elephant

I thought Catholics were supposed to be so much more intelligent and learned than the heathen Protestants. Or so I’m often told.


12 posted on 08/01/2014 5:50:25 PM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: angry elephant
but try to break through their embedded logic and you hit a brick wall.

That generation is dying out. Unfortunately, the new breed of Democrat, like most of my nephews, are unthinking socialists.

13 posted on 08/01/2014 5:50:59 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Thorliveshere

The most Catholic states in this country are also the most Democrat and the most liberal. Proven.


14 posted on 08/01/2014 5:51:46 PM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: Thorliveshere
Democrats are the Party of sin, and lots of it. Supporting evil and turning your head
is just as damning as acting out the sin themselves.

True Christians do not support Homosexuality yet many many do by just voting for Dems.
They know it's wrong but continue to shame their religion.

When they meet the maker how will they explain their culpability. They cannot.
Sin is sin, it's black and white and nothing can be explained away to God,
who knows your heart.

15 posted on 08/01/2014 5:52:38 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Thorliveshere

Just tell her to look up what democrats/communists have done in Soviet Union and satellites. Greek-Catholic religion was banned, priests and believers were forced to switch over to KGB run Russian Orthodox religion. Who did not “convert” was sent to prisons and Gulags.
Inteligencia, business owners and smart people became enemy of the state and were done with accordingly. The people had “privilege” to stand in bread lines and everybody was “equal”, except party apparatchiks who had special stores stacked with foreign goods.
This is what Kenyan is installing in US. Enjoy whatever freedom and property you have, wont last for long.
You didn’t build it! But he will use your taxes to blow on luxurious vacation (Moochelle too).


16 posted on 08/01/2014 5:52:59 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

real christians understand that charity is not the same thing as forced government confiscation.

charity is voluntary, and people have freedom to decide who to give to, and in what amount. charity is not forcing everyone to pay a certain rate because government determines a pet cause and demands at point of gun/imprisonment that you have no choice but to comply with their demands for your money.


17 posted on 08/01/2014 5:54:08 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Thorliveshere

first and foremost they view the human race as a problem.


18 posted on 08/01/2014 5:56:20 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Thorliveshere

i would also challenge them if they twist scripture to say this is just giving to caesar what is caesars,

since when is what i earn, the government’s?
and second,

explain why jesus didn’t say that taxes are actually christian charity? why didn’t he preach that government should set up welfare programs and that christians should give all their alms to the government?

these people are socialists masquerading as christians, going after christians who do not understand their faith very well. can’t see that these people are putting forth specious arguments.


19 posted on 08/01/2014 5:57:25 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: sneakers
Our parish is heavily republican. Of course, our town tends towards republican. Outlying parishes are in a number of coal-mining patch towns. They tend democrat. It’s a union thing, I think.

You might be on to something. Catholicism is a largely urban sect of Christianity, Judaism is the same way. (with exceptions) I don't know of any rural Catholic churches or Synagogues around here.
20 posted on 08/01/2014 5:58:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet
You mean like Pelosi, Biden, etc. or real Catholics?

Was it only last year that Biden and Pelosi met with their "Holy Father" and took Communion at the Vatican?

Remember that Ted Kennedy was Catholic royalty, and treated as such by Popes and Cardinals.

21 posted on 08/01/2014 5:58:24 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Thorliveshere

The Catholic Church has a large welfare class and is taking taxpayer money to run their charities. Naturally, they favor big government spending.


22 posted on 08/01/2014 5:58:30 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Thorliveshere

There was a Pew Research study published right after the 2012 Presidential election (http://www.pewforum.org/2012/11/07/how-the-faithful-voted-2012-preliminary-exit-poll-analysis/).

Their poll showed that while Catholics were fairly evenly split between Obama (50%) and Romney (48%), the differences between white Catholics and Hispanic Catholics was major. White Catholics supported Romney over Obama 59% to 40%, while Hispanic Catholics supported Obama over Romney 75% to 21%.


23 posted on 08/01/2014 5:59:04 PM PDT by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: Thorliveshere
Same reason we've had only ONE catholic President.

Catholics have leaned toward being the party of workers, unions. They don't campaign for more freedom for those who carry the load...they campaign mostly on getting more money from taxpayers.

There are of course exception to this but generally this is the case.

24 posted on 08/01/2014 5:59:05 PM PDT by what's up
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To: angry elephant

“Some of my Catholic family were staunch Democrats. The explanations were that the “Democrats are the working party,” and “In the old days when a Catholic family was struggling the Democrats would always show up with food baskets.”

I explain away our SIL’s mother and father as being from the NE and were used to the ‘neighborhood protector’ (mob boss).

They feel they have to have a ‘boss’ to protect them from the evil republicans.


25 posted on 08/01/2014 6:00:17 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Thorliveshere

My brother in law is very active in his church and after his retirement, he became a small church pastor.

But, he was a union member, even a shop steward, so all his life he voted democrat straight party ticket.


26 posted on 08/01/2014 6:01:16 PM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: what's up

Bingo - unions.

Catholics choose union loyalty over religion.

It’s that crude.


27 posted on 08/01/2014 6:03:54 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Thorliveshere

same question can be asked about Black Christians who live very Conservative. One speaks with them and they are fiscal/social Conservatives but vote Dem. Its ignorance of what Conservative means. They think Conservatives are Anarchists. I had one of these people tell me that Dems will take care of the disabled....they have no clue Dems will be the first to ration healthcare to the disabled.


28 posted on 08/01/2014 6:04:30 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: Thorliveshere; All

Hi Thorliveshere. I’m not trying to be mean, so please be patient with the following question. Are you aware of Congress’s constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers imposed on Congress by the Founding States, and that such powers don’t include taxing and spending on behalf of the poor?


29 posted on 08/01/2014 6:05:54 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: ConstantSkeptic

Hispanics are recent to America, it doesn’t change the role that the Catholic vote has always played in America, since immigration started in the 1840s and Catholics started moving here.


30 posted on 08/01/2014 6:06:03 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: sneakers

My parish and town are like yours. Our priest is liberal. Drives us nuts when he gets going


31 posted on 08/01/2014 6:06:40 PM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: Thorliveshere

My family have been Catholic Republicans since the start of at least Roosevelt. I don’t know what party they were before that - actually, I do. I think at least one of them was a NY Copperhead. In between, I don’t know.


32 posted on 08/01/2014 6:07:58 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Secret Agent Man
The collective salvation of social justice teaching is false salvation.

Taking from others to do good may may the taker feel good but it doesn't save them or the man who was robbed. It just convinces people that they have been saved by force so they have no further responsibility.


True salvation comes with giving of our own free will. I don't know if his thinking was religious but Calvin Coolidge got it.

Duty is not collective. It is personal.
33 posted on 08/01/2014 6:08:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Thorliveshere

When I was young, Catholics and Jews along with “negroes” were not allowed to belong to or even enter certain places like country clubs and different organizations that were primarily populated by Republicans.

There is a long history and a perception that still remains in the voting patterns of Catholics.


34 posted on 08/01/2014 6:10:12 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: RginTN
same question can be asked about Black Christians who live very Conservative. One speaks with them and they are fiscal/social Conservatives but vote Dem.

Not really, black voting is a total mystery, it ALWAYS went republican, and then totally reversed itself in 1936, and has ALWAYS gone democrat since then, a perfect and instant reversal, and let's be honest about it, the least fiscal/social Conservative group in America, are not fiscal/social Conservatives, regardless of what we are told.

By the way, I have never heard blacks called fiscal conservatives, where did that come from?

35 posted on 08/01/2014 6:11:37 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: OpusatFR

Nonsense, it isn’t genetic memories that makes Catholics vote democrat.


36 posted on 08/01/2014 6:13:41 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12
and then totally reversed itself in 1936

What was the policy that caused them to reverse?

37 posted on 08/01/2014 6:14:24 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Thorliveshere

*Anyone* who supports big government is voting to empower their god: government

That in which they put their faith (trust) is their god. If it’s a thieving beast.gov, well you know what they truly worship.


38 posted on 08/01/2014 6:14:34 PM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: angry elephant
Some of my Catholic family were staunch Democrats. The explanations were that the “Democrats are the working party,” and “In the old days when a Catholic family was struggling the Democrats would always show up with food baskets.”

The food basket that binds to eternity reads better than the whiskey jug that compels infinite allegiance. I've heard more than one "Irish Catholic Democrat and proud of it" brag about how the family has voted 100% Democrat since coming over from Ireland and "the old man" being given free drinks by the local party boss.

In any event, it's like a family curse wherein one guy in 1848 gives ownership of his descendants - whether they like it or not - to a political party until doomsday, and each successive generation is fine with it. Weird. One guy I know (who votes Republican on the sly) can not change his party registration without losing an inheritance, and probably getting shunned by most of his family.

My own Irish family component had a falling out with the church over something three or four generations back, and apparently the break carried over into politics, because my maternal grandfather voted Republican and hated FDR with a passion.

Mr. niteowl77

39 posted on 08/01/2014 6:18:11 PM PDT by niteowl77 (The five stages of Progressive persuasion: lecture, nudge, shove, arrest, liquidate.)
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To: Thorliveshere

I don’t know what the percentage is of Catholics that align with the Democrats at the voting booth, but I can tell you that some of my very dearest friends who are Catholic, as I am, vote with the Democrats, unlike myself. Usually social justice is the theme they hover around. It’s been hard for me to accept that people who I truly love and care for, can be so differently aligned politically, even though I think we see eye to eye on so many of these issues. We all seem to think that the poor and downtrodden need help. I differ in that I don’t think it’s the government’s job to take care of them, I think it’s mine. I am, like you, stumped as to why they are so hardened against conservative candidates. However, because they are some of my very best friends, I try to make sure these differences don’t get in the way of our friendships.


40 posted on 08/01/2014 6:18:28 PM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: ansel12

Genetic memories? That’s ridiculous. That condescending attitude does nothing to induce people to vote conservative.


41 posted on 08/01/2014 6:19:57 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Thorliveshere

Water to wine to kool aid.


42 posted on 08/01/2014 6:21:39 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Amendment10

I’m not sure what you mean. Did I say something inaccurate?


43 posted on 08/01/2014 6:23:30 PM PDT by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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To: Thorliveshere
Why do Some Catholics Vote Democrat?

Same reason many Cardinals elected a religiously indifferent, socialist to the papal office; ignorance of the Catholic faith.

44 posted on 08/01/2014 6:23:35 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: what's up; OpusatFR

The black vote was normal in 1932, with FDR getting his democrat 23% from blacks, but then in 1936 they went 71% for FDR, and never looked at republicans again.

I don’t know why, it does put the lie to all these claims of why liberal groups vote liberal though, because as we can see, a group can change historical voting patterns on a dime.

We can all guess it had something to do with FDR’s welfare, but it calls for a much more elaborate explanation than that.


45 posted on 08/01/2014 6:23:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: cripplecreek

That was my first reaction as well. Why always the Catholics?


46 posted on 08/01/2014 6:24:27 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: MichaelCorleone

I’m Methodist and I have no use for Catholic bashing. My own sect has plenty of problems of its own to solve.


47 posted on 08/01/2014 6:26:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Thorliveshere

You lit into her, but did it do one iota of good????


48 posted on 08/01/2014 6:28:20 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Ok, the joke's over. Bring back the Constitution.)
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To: Thorliveshere
Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes the reason is that people are stupid and make bad decisions.

As a recent convert, I’d like to note that I'm happy you specified some. I may at some point go independent from Republican, but I’d sooner set myself on fire than vote Democrat. In other words, that’s not happening.

49 posted on 08/01/2014 6:30:35 PM PDT by RichInOC ("Catholic doctrine and discipline may be walls; but they are the walls of a playground."--GKC)
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To: Thorliveshere

Why are some rich people communists? Why do Blacks vote for the party of enslavement? Why do birds suddenly appear.............


50 posted on 08/01/2014 6:30:38 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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