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OH:Successful Open Carry Defense
Gun Watch ^ | 2 August, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 08/03/2014 7:06:17 AM PDT by marktwain


There do not seem to be many defensive gun uses by people who openly carry guns.   This is understandable, as roughly 95% of defensive gun uses do not involve a shot being fired.   When the aggressor sees that the person defending themselves or stopping a crime is armed, the situation is defused, the criminal leaves the scene, and not much happens.

It a person is openly carrying a firearm, most of those 95% situations will occur without the gun carrier even knowing that they happen.   This is known as tactical deterrence.  The criminal sees the gun, and chooses not to pick that victim.

A recent case in Ohio falls into the 95% category.   No shots were fired.   However, it appears that the aggressor was not deterred by the holstered gun.  The victim had to draw his firearm in order to stop the attack.   It was all caught on a surveillance camera.   From northcoastnow.com:

Jerediah Cruz said he was openly carrying a pistol on his waist when a man he didn’t know entered the store and began cursing him and threatening to assault him, according to a police report. Cruz said he backed away, but the man continued to follow him and wouldn’t leave so he put his hand on the gun, the report said.

Cruz said the man acted as if he was about to pull out a gun so Cruz said he drew his pistol and pointed at the man, who dared him to shoot him in the face. The man then left the shop.
No shots fired, but a large man who threatens you and keeps advancing while you are armed has to be considered a serious threat.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; business; oh; opencarry
I have heard of more that one case like this. It could easily be mistaken identity.
1 posted on 08/03/2014 7:06:17 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Maybe not. From the Columbus Dispatch, May 2011.....

A disgruntled customer returned to a West Side auto shop this morning and fatally shot the general manager before taking her own life, police say. Columbus police responded to the call at about 9:37 a.m. at Ohio Engine and Transmission Exchange, 3265 McKinley Ave.

Sgt. Steven Little said a customer who had had an ongoing dispute with the business returned this morning and shot an employee inside the building. She then left, crossed the street to a wooded hill and shot herself.

2 posted on 08/03/2014 7:23:21 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: edpc

Yes, it could be something like that, except the store owner said that he did not know the man.

Maybe another employee was involved, who was not there.


3 posted on 08/03/2014 7:30:13 AM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

I like a lot of what you write, but I just can’t get aboard with Open Carry. I think it screams ‘Shoot Me First’ louder than a photographer’s vest or a fanny pack.


4 posted on 08/03/2014 8:03:00 AM PDT by real saxophonist (God has a southern accent - Lewis Grizzard)
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To: real saxophonist

Can you get onboard with an innocent,but unarmed victim being shot down?


5 posted on 08/03/2014 8:08:52 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: oldtech

Of course not. See Cooper’s ‘Principles of Personal Defense’. Principle Seven: Surprise.


6 posted on 08/03/2014 8:22:44 AM PDT by real saxophonist (God has a southern accent - Lewis Grizzard)
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To: real saxophonist

That’s your decision. But please don’t take it upon yourself to make that decision for others.


7 posted on 08/03/2014 8:25:48 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

I don’t, by any means, sorry if it sounded that way. I’m just not going to do it.


8 posted on 08/03/2014 8:32:13 AM PDT by real saxophonist (God has a southern accent - Lewis Grizzard)
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To: real saxophonist
i'm guessing most people that open carry can not get a CCW permit... it's that or nothing
9 posted on 08/03/2014 8:37:23 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: real saxophonist
I like a lot of what you write, but I just can’t get aboard with Open Carry. I think it screams ‘Shoot Me First’ louder than a photographer’s vest or a fanny pack.

That's the nice thing about Constitutional Rights - not everyone has to agree with them for the rest to enjoy them. There are pros and cons and they seem to balance each other out. Some will be deterred by the sight of an openly carried weapon and others will "take the shot". I would hazard that the majority will not hazard the shot. Concealed carry weapons move the original situation to the next level when the owner decides it's time to pull the weapon - some of them will also decide that, having pulled it, they need to shoot it even if it has already defused the situation. No one good answer - I'd like to see a boatload of folks carrying openly - that would be a true deterrence.

10 posted on 08/03/2014 8:41:24 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: marktwain

True enough, and open carry has merit...

Unless your adversary is one of the small percentage of bad guys known as the “dedicated opponent” (As opposed to the casual opportunistic variety street thug)...In which case he will zero in on the identifiable threat to his intentions...YOU, the open carrier...And surprise you...

People of sound mind and good conscience may disagree on personal defense strategies, and must choose to do as they see fit and best for their own needs...I can’t tell anyone his personal strategy is wrong...

I prefer to not surrender the element of surprise and the advantage concealment affords me...

The key point is to be armed; always and everywhere it is humanly possible...And never, never, ever give up your guns...


11 posted on 08/03/2014 8:43:56 AM PDT by elteemike (Light travels faster than sound...That's why so many people appear bright until you hear them speak!)
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To: real saxophonist

No worries, FRiend. I wholeheartedly support your right to make your own individual choice in the matter. And thank you for respecting mine.


12 posted on 08/03/2014 9:11:13 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Of course, man. We’ve both been here a long time.


13 posted on 08/03/2014 9:37:14 AM PDT by real saxophonist (God has a southern accent - Lewis Grizzard)
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To: real saxophonist
I like a lot of what you write, but I just can’t get aboard with Open Carry. I think it screams ‘Shoot Me First’ louder than a photographer’s vest or a fanny pack.

But if there are a whole lot of people exercising their 2nd Amendment rights and openly carrying, which one will the criminal shoot first?

14 posted on 08/03/2014 10:00:11 AM PDT by scouter
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To: scouter

Hopefully, the criminal will choose not to shoot. But I don’t want to be one of his targets if he does.


15 posted on 08/03/2014 10:09:08 AM PDT by real saxophonist (God has a southern accent - Lewis Grizzard)
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To: real saxophonist

I guess my point is that if a lot of people are carrying openly, this makes all of us safer, both those who are openly carrying and those who aren’t, because the bad guy knows that if he tries anything, there are a whole lot of people who can stop him.


16 posted on 08/03/2014 10:13:24 AM PDT by scouter
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To: scouter

We’re cool.


17 posted on 08/03/2014 10:16:46 AM PDT by real saxophonist (God has a southern accent - Lewis Grizzard)
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To: real saxophonist

Ain’t many of us old timers left anymore.


18 posted on 08/03/2014 11:23:10 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Weeding out the wannabees and trolls, I guess...


19 posted on 08/03/2014 11:33:20 AM PDT by real saxophonist (God has a southern accent - Lewis Grizzard)
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To: scouter

this is not meant to sound wishy washy. i agree with many arguments on both sides of this and there are situations where one or the other is more appropriate. it would be nice if the criminals thought everybody who could conceal carry did. it is annoying that just by pulling my shirt tail up i could be legal or illegal depending on the state laws. in Colorado the NO GUN signs have no legal standing and, those few times i have to go in that store, i ignore it. i also don;t go out of my way to look for them either. in Louisiana i believe they do have legal standing. so i have to check the laws in 4 states if i drive to visit a friend.


20 posted on 08/03/2014 4:33:59 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (we shouldn't fear the government. the government should fear us.)
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To: real saxophonist

...but I just can’t get aboard with Open Carry. I think it screams ‘Shoot Me First’ louder than a photographer’s vest or a fanny pack.


So, let’s see.

You’re carrying concealed and a guy walks up to you, sticks a gun in your face, and demands your wallet. When you give it to him, he shoots you in the head so you can’t identify him.

Or you’re open carrying, the guy sees that and looks for easier prey.


21 posted on 08/03/2014 9:16:42 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: chaosagent

Or he can walk up to you, shoot you in the head and take your gun and your wallet.


22 posted on 08/05/2014 4:10:10 PM PDT by real saxophonist (God has a southern accent - Lewis Grizzard)
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