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Phoenix Anchor Says Arizonans should be able to "Blow Away" People with a Rifle on their Shoulder
Gun Watch ^ | 3 August, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 08/04/2014 6:34:16 AM PDT by marktwain

Arizonan with Rifle slung at local treat shop

A controversial arrest in Phoenix, where police arrested a prominent local research doctor who was protesting, with a rifle slung on his shoulder, at the unsecured airport Starbucks, prompted this exchange between Mark Curtis, a 12News anchor and Marc Victor, the victims attorney.

The exchange occurs in the video from 1:55 to 2:22:

Mark Curtis, anchor, 12News:

"Someones carrying a gun, and they're with their children, and they see a man walk into a Starbucks with a rifle on his shoulder.  What would stop them from blowing your client away?

Marc Victor, attorney:

Well, the fact that the law prohibits that unless there is an imminent risk of deadly physical force, or....

Mark Curtis, Anchor 12News:

You don't think that a man carrying a rifle in a Starbucks, after what we have seen in Aurora, Colorado, would be enough reason for someone that is carrying a gun to think that they are in imminent danger?

Video of the interview between Anchor Mark Curtis and Attorney Marc Victor




No charges have been filed against Doctor Steinmetz, and the hearings have been vacated.     That did not stop the local, national, and international media from blaring headlines and his name around the world:

Doctor points AR-15 rifle at woman and teen in airport

Video from the airport security cameras now shows those charges to be false.   If you look in the background in the interview video, you can see that Dr. Steinmetz never points his rifle at anyone.  Clearly, Mark Curtis knows this, because he never mentions the previous charges, preferring to attack with his weird assertion that someone in a Starbucks, who sees a man enter with a rifle slung over his shoulder, would be justified in "blowing away" the open carrier.

Many of those who want a disarmed population advocate for death to armed citizens.   Some have advocated calling 911 and lying.   Some have advocated provoking panic when they see an open carrier.   Some have said that they should leave without paying their bills.  Some have said that they would try to provoke a confrontation between armed citizens and police.  But this is the first case that I have seen where a prominent media person has claimed that being armed is sufficient cause to justify being "blown away".

This flies in the face of all the facts.   Open carry protesters are exceptionally safe, at least as safe as police officers.  This simply makes sense.  They know they are in the public eye.  Even an article at the NYTs notices that safety is not an issue at these events.  The FBI notes that criminals almost never openly carry, and seldom carry in holsters

I do not see how Mark Curtis can claim any credibility on second amendment issues, no matter how many "I believe in the second amendment, but.." statements that he issues.

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TOPICS: Education; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: az; banglist; markcurtis; opencarry
This comes perilously close to the Anchor advocating for people to murder open carriers.
1 posted on 08/04/2014 6:34:16 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Lucas McCain might have something to say about that.

3 posted on 08/04/2014 6:44:33 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: marktwain
Many of those who want a disarmed population advocate for death to armed citizens.

Hmm they have made the choice for those of us who don't want to be disarmed pretty simple - a straight dichotomy. It appears that they want kill us so when confronted by a deadly threat what can you do? A couple of hundred of the more outspoken advocates of murdering those of us who believe in freedom given a dose of their own medicine might prove educational for the rest.

4 posted on 08/04/2014 6:48:15 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: marktwain

Not even close, he’s over the line.

IMO anyone who says “I believe in the second amendment, but..” doesn’t support the second amendment.


5 posted on 08/04/2014 6:54:06 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

What would stop him? Common sense and a lack of hoplophobia.


6 posted on 08/04/2014 6:54:41 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: F15Eagle

Do his panties get all wadded up when he sees an armed cop?


7 posted on 08/04/2014 6:54:55 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

Everyone spot the basic assumption that the presence of a gun not in the hands of law enforcement inherently is an “imminent danger”?


8 posted on 08/04/2014 6:56:37 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
"Everyone spot the basic assumption that the presence of a gun not in the hands of law enforcement inherently is an “imminent danger”?"

Sadly, I believe the exact opposite to be true nowadays in the Obamanation...

10 posted on 08/04/2014 7:04:09 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: marktwain

Let’s see. I bet he’s against any sort of stand your ground laws in which someone can defend themselves against an aggressor. Here, he is fine with aggressors attacking someone who happens peacefully open carry.


11 posted on 08/04/2014 7:07:39 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: VRWCmember

Chuck Connors, conservative and former Seton Hall man. The Rifleman, still in sydication, transends time with a moralistic and independent life style message.


12 posted on 08/04/2014 7:08:11 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: marktwain

Liberals believe that simply wanting a firearm is proof of paranoia and you should be refused on the grounds of mental instability.


13 posted on 08/04/2014 7:10:13 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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14 posted on 08/04/2014 7:11:53 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: marktwain

This is why guns should be outlawed - for leftists. They simply lack the common sense necessary to responsibly possess them.


15 posted on 08/04/2014 7:12:11 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: marktwain
This Libtard and all the people he knows think just like him.

All Guns are evil. ...prefer only an armed government.

16 posted on 08/04/2014 7:12:55 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: F15Eagle

“Go —— yourself, Phoenix.”


17 posted on 08/04/2014 7:15:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Mad Dawgg

Indeed - “presence of armed gov’t agent = imminent danger”.

It is very likely that any call to “authorities” will result in a negative situation for you and your family.


18 posted on 08/04/2014 7:19:16 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: F15Eagle

Biggest fish in a small pond syndrome.He’s nobody and nothing.


19 posted on 08/04/2014 8:03:23 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: marktwain

A slung long gun is about as immediately dangerous as a doughnut.

Hoplophobes are stupid.


21 posted on 08/04/2014 8:06:04 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: marktwain

Could we apply that ‘logic’ to “Blowing away” people with other lethal objects?

Cars, trucks, tractors, baseball bats, knives, gasoline, flour……


22 posted on 08/04/2014 9:39:24 AM PDT by HammerT (The Right to keep and bear arms: A Commonsense Civil Right)
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23 posted on 08/04/2014 9:41:07 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Dead Corpse

They aren’t scared of the gun, they’re scared of the person’s ability to resist oppression.


24 posted on 08/04/2014 9:41:13 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: driftdiver
Do his panties get all wadded up when he sees an armed cop?

I actually believe that these bent out of shape people about guns, don't give it a second thought when someone with a white or blue uniform is open carrying. And that would include a janitor.

25 posted on 08/04/2014 9:49:09 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Starstruck; All

“I actually believe that these bent out of shape people about guns, don’t give it a second thought when someone with a white or blue uniform is open carrying. And that would include a janitor.”

I think you are correct. Wear something that looks like a uniform, and you get a pass.

They assume you are an agent of the state, so in their mind, you must be benevolent.


26 posted on 08/04/2014 10:02:01 AM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Mouton
"Chuck Connors, conservative and former Seton Hall man. The Rifleman, still in sydication, transends time with a moralistic and independent life style message."

And he was a former member of the Boston Celtics, Brooklyn Dodgers and drafted by (but never played for) the Chicago Bears. Tough guy.

27 posted on 08/04/2014 12:09:27 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: marktwain
Phoenix Anchor Says Arizonans should be able to "Blow Away" People with a Rifle on their Shoulder

With what?
A hair dryer?

< /sarc >

28 posted on 08/04/2014 12:57:56 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: publius911

A pistol.

I believe he thought he was being clever, besmirching both pistol and rifle carriers with this hypothetical.


29 posted on 08/04/2014 1:16:53 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: MrB

Some of them. Agreed.

For others, I’d rather attribute it to stupidity as that much human Evil frankly scares the spit out of me.


30 posted on 08/04/2014 1:33:43 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: F15Eagle
Looks like Keith Olberman’s slightly less retarded brother
31 posted on 08/04/2014 3:21:33 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: marktwain
"Someones carrying a gun, and they're with their children, and they see a man walk into a Starbucks with a rifle on his shoulder. What would stop them from blowing your client away?

I can’t believe that the blind illogic of this statement has eluded everyone.

For this someone with kids to blow away the person with a rifle on his shoulder that person would have to be carrying a firearm.

So why would a person carrying a firearm immediately see this person as a threat? For a person to carry a firearm it almost a foregone conclusion that they do not view persons carrying a firearm as being an inherent threat.

32 posted on 08/05/2014 12:53:31 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac
Everyone is a potential threat...

"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet." ---USMC Maj. Gen. James Mattis

33 posted on 08/05/2014 12:58:43 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Always good advice.

But why the guy with the shouldered rifle more than anyone else.

;)

34 posted on 08/05/2014 1:28:48 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

Never said him more than anyone else...


35 posted on 08/05/2014 2:17:31 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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