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Charles Krauthammer, the Assault Weapon Ban, and Shannon Watts
Gun Watch ^ | 10 September, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 09/14/2014 5:01:15 PM PDT by marktwain

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There is no reason to believe that gun bans increase domestic tranquillity.
1 posted on 09/14/2014 5:01:16 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“An armed society is a polite society.”


2 posted on 09/14/2014 5:13:05 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: marktwain
Krauthammer is a psychiatrist and so it may be a little more forgivable for him to adopt the therapeutic model than it might be for most, but in fact treating a society is not the same thing as treating a human patient. The difference is in kind, not in scale. And so his dichotomy between a weaning model and a cold-turkey model begs the question of whether the end state - a disarmed society - is, in truth, any healthier than the present one.

The issue is certainly not helped by wild media sensationalism. The Assault Weapons ban he cites is a case in point. Statistically these are among the least abused and safest guns out there, whose portion of the total crime scenario has decreased with popularity, not increased. Surely this must suggest something other than a "plague" to any objective thinker.

And yet even in his original point it was clear that social engineering, i.e. "domestic tranquility", was the driving motivation, yet the examples he gave do not serve to support that goal. Is it a net gain for a society if gun-related crime is down yet other violent crime skyrockets? There is no sign that he has considered this. Curing a patient's depression with a drug that causes heart attacks is not a net gain. I wish I could be confident that he has weighed this but I'm not.

3 posted on 09/14/2014 5:18:42 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: marktwain

Bump


4 posted on 09/14/2014 5:19:05 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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Annually, 5,000 to 6,000 black men are murdered with guns. Black men amount to only 6% of the population. Yet of the 30 Americans on average shot to death each day, half are black males.

After Sandy Hook, Obama introduced an initiative to reduce gun violence. He laid out a litany of tragedies: the children of Newtown, the moviegoers of Aurora, Colo. But he did not mention gun violence among black men.

If his goal was to stop gun-related deaths, why would Obama completely ignore the demographic that represents a full 50% of them?

5 posted on 09/14/2014 5:28:16 PM PDT by South40 (Hillary Clinton was a "great secretary of state". - Texas Governor Rick Perry)
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To: marktwain

Perhaps if Krauthammer was able to defend himself he might more easily see the wisdom in letting his fellow citizens defend themselves


6 posted on 09/14/2014 5:28:34 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: marktwain

Gun bans, based on the belief that men and governments are intrinsically good.


7 posted on 09/14/2014 5:41:34 PM PDT by lurk
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To: marktwain

I think it was Clint Eastwood who said something like, turning your gun in to authorities is like castrating yourself because you think your neighbors have too many kids.


8 posted on 09/14/2014 5:46:01 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Billthedrill

Yes, there should be no means for the citizens to oppose a tyrannical government. There have never been tyrannical governments so why are these yahoos clinging to their guns anyway?


9 posted on 09/14/2014 5:59:00 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Take a look at my FR home page for Colorado outdoor photos!)
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To: marktwain
Our Founders were wise enough to realize that an armed citizenry, regardless of any negative consequences, is far preferable to an all-powerful government. For this reason, they codified the protection of our right to keep and bear arms.

Removal of the Second Amendment would in no way contradict this truth. Those of us who recognize the truth WILL NOT BE DISARMED.

Progressives operate under the delusion that rule by majority would create a utopia. Our Founders recognized how false this notion is and went to great lengths to prevent it.

10 posted on 09/14/2014 6:00:10 PM PDT by William Tell
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I wish I could be confident that he has weighed this but I'm not.

Quite to the contrary, I believe that Krauthammer is still comfortable with his conclusion. Let's face it, Krauthammer is a smart guy but only rarely a conservative.

Fortunately I will never live to see the day when America is disarmed.

11 posted on 09/14/2014 6:01:42 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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1) Bad guys shoot bad guys.
2) Bad guys shoot good guys.
3) Good guys shoot bad guys only when it's necessary.
4) Good guys don't shoot other good guys.

Bad guys don't obey gun laws, only good guys do.
Therefore, gun laws will have no effect on 1), they will increase 2) and reduce 3). 4) is not a problem either way.

3) is the only category Liberals care about. That's why they want gun control.

12 posted on 09/14/2014 6:03:29 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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3) is the only category Liberals care about.

That's because it is the category in which they reside.

13 posted on 09/14/2014 6:05:26 PM PDT by meyer (Who needs gas chambers when you have Obamacare?)
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To: marktwain

A good US history professor many years ago described western philosophies with a small matrix of “realism” and “idealism” on one side, and “optimism” and “pessimism” on the other.

For example, after 1500 years of war in Europe, the Europeans are exhausted of idealism and optimism; so their philosophies are realistic and pessimistic. “Things will go on like they are today, gradually getting worse.”

The majority of Americans, however, have the realism and optimism of the frontier. “With hard work we can make our lives and those of our posterity better.”

However, mostly limited to New England, there is a strong current of just the opposite point of view: idealistic pessimism. The craving of the “New Jerusalem” where the “elect” will live and rule over others.

But here is also a great irony. Their idealism has the fundamental belief that “people are inherently good”. But from this is extrapolated that “government is inherently good as well, so the more government, the better.”

The flip side of this is “Frontier libertarianism”, that embraces the idea that “people are inherently bad, and so is any government”; at least enough so that the only agreements that exist are temporary handshake agreements between people who trust each other, up to a point.

But the founding fathers had a different idea. Believing in the social contract, but knowing that there are both good men and bad men and both, and that it can be hard to tell them apart. So they concluded *not* that people are inherently “good” or “bad”, but that they are inherently *weak*.

They knew that the ink on the constitution, and the law, would be barely dry before people would consider ways of avoiding and evading it. Which is why there are such a large number of checks and balances, of competing human interests, in our constitution.

And in this is the answer to our society, and Charles Krauthammer.

“Ultimately, a civilized society must disarm its citizenry if it is to have a modicum of domestic tranquillity of the kind enjoyed in sister democracies like Canada and Britain.”

Seen through eyes that think that people are inherently good, this would make sense, that a good government made up of good people, can take away guns that can make good people do bad things.

And it even “half” makes sense if all people are inherently bad. This is a chaos theory, that guns create chaos because bad people will inevitably misuse them.

But it makes NO sense if people are inherently weak. If they live under the social contract, enforced by all, in defense of the weak good people, and against the weak bad people, guns are an absolute necessity.

The founding fathers had the right idea.


14 posted on 09/14/2014 6:30:36 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: marktwain

Charles Krauthammer is a member of the Beltway chattering class who once worked for Walter Mondale. He’s the token “conservative” trotted out in D.C. when there’s a need to appear “fair and balanced” but not offend the media by having a real conservative present.


15 posted on 09/14/2014 6:34:00 PM PDT by Author Mike Carnegie
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Who is the US history professor- you are parsing, and from what University?


16 posted on 09/14/2014 6:42:17 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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That depends on how one defines the term. In Krauthammers case it means the absence of any possible resistance to the State.


17 posted on 09/14/2014 6:48:19 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: RedHeeler

His name was James Robert Kearney III. He taught History at Arizona State for 30 years. He passed away in 2006.

No idea why you would want to know that.


18 posted on 09/14/2014 7:05:57 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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Just wondering. Thanks, yefragetuwrabrumuy.


19 posted on 09/14/2014 7:13:47 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Jet Jaguar

>>It will probably take one, maybe two generations. It might be 50 years before the United States gets to where Britain is today.<<

Current climate in the U.S. today...yea, I’d say it’ll be at least 50 years.


20 posted on 09/14/2014 7:17:01 PM PDT by servantboy777
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