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"What in God's name is Pope Francis doing?"
La Salette Journey ^ | November 23, 2014 | Paul Melanson

Posted on 11/23/2014 2:06:15 PM PST by cleghornboy

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To: simonjo
Apostolic succession from that time until today.

Apostolic succession is neither Biblical nor supported by Scripture. It is a myth started by the cult which became the RCC.

41 posted on 11/23/2014 7:23:42 PM PST by BipolarBob (You smell of elderberries, my friend.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Those were all human choices with human consequences.


42 posted on 11/23/2014 7:25:09 PM PST by CityCenter (In remembrance of Buckley, my beloved beagle who passed on 11/3/2014.)
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To: BipolarBob
Apostolic succession is neither Biblical nor supported by Scripture. It is a myth started by the cult which became the RCC. The Greek Orthodox Church believes in Apostolic succession. Supposedly their Bishops can trace their Apostolic lineage back to the Apostles. Where in the Roman Catholic Church the lineage has been lost to history and only assumed since only a Bishop may ordinate another Bishop. Sort of like an inductive proof in Mathematics.

Caveat: I was told this by a Greek Orthodox friend on why the Greek Orthodox Church is the one true church. I'll leave it to others to shoot down or support.

43 posted on 11/23/2014 7:44:33 PM PST by stig
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To: terycarl

where, when, and after being discovered, what was the result of the investigation and was there an arrest of any sort??

______________

There is no law against crossdressing. He lasted two years. Then the board quietly had him removed. Damage was already done.


44 posted on 11/23/2014 7:50:11 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: stig
The Greek Orthodox Church believes in Apostolic succession.

That doesn't quite cut it with doctrinal credence. The first Apostles healed and performed miracles. The Catholic "miracles" they base "sainthood" on is suspect as well. It is best to be Sola Scriptura so that God doesn't ask questions we can't answer.

45 posted on 11/23/2014 7:59:51 PM PST by BipolarBob (You smell of elderberries, my friend.)
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To: miss marmelstein
This is what I was referring to:
Changes in Catholic Attitudes Toward Bible Readings

By Msgr. Daniel Kutys

Average Catholics asked today how often they read the Bible likely would say that they do not read the Bible regularly. However, if asked how often they read Scripture, the answer would be different. Practicing Catholics know they read and hear Scripture at every Mass. Many also recognize that basic prayers Catholics say, such as the Our Father and the Hail Mary, are scriptural. But for most Catholics, the Scripture they hear and read is not from the Bible. It is from a worship aid in the pew.

Scripture always has played an important role in the prayer life of the Catholic Church and its members. For the ordinary Catholic in earlier centuries, exposure to Scripture was passive. They heard it read aloud or prayed aloud but did not read it themselves. One simple reason: Centuries ago the average person could not read or afford a book. Popular reading and ownership of books began to flourish only after the invention of the printing press.

Once the printing press was invented, the most commonly printed book was the Bible, but this still did not make Bible-reading a Catholic’s common practice. Up until the mid-twentieth Century, the custom of reading the Bible and interpreting it for oneself was a hallmark of the Protestant churches springing up in Europe after the Reformation. Protestants rejected the authority of the Pope and of the Church and showed it by saying people could read and interpret the Bible for themselves. Catholics meanwhile were discouraged from reading Scripture.

Identifying the reading and interpreting of the Bible as “Protestant” even affected the study of Scripture. Until the twentieth Century, it was only Protestants who actively embraced Scripture study. That changed after 1943 when Pope Pius XII issued the encyclical Divino Afflante Spiritu. This not only allowed Catholics to study Scripture, it encouraged them to do so. And with Catholics studying Scripture and teaching other Catholics about what they were studying, familiarity with Scripture grew.

Scripture awareness grew after the Second Vatican Council. Mass was celebrated in the vernacular and so the Scripture readings at Mass were read entirely in English. Adult faith formation programs began to develop, and the most common program run at a parish focused on Scripture study. The Charismatic movement and the rise of prayer groups exposed Catholics to Scripture even more. All of this contributed to Catholics becoming more familiar with the Bible and more interested in reading the Scriptures and praying with them.

In a round-about way, aspects of U.S. culture also have encouraged Catholics to become more familiar with the Scriptures. References to John 3:16 appear in the stands at sporting events. Catholics who hear of and see other Christians quote or cite Scripture verses wonder why they cannot. Such experiences lead Catholics to seek familiarity with the Bible.

Such attitudinal changes bode well for Catholics, especially when reading and praying with the Word of God leads to lessons learned, hearts inspired and lives profoundly moved for good.

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Monsignor Daniel Kutys is a pastor in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia. Previously, he served as the Executive Director of the USCCB Secretariat of Evangelization and Catechesis.


46 posted on 11/24/2014 7:30:34 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux
I'm afraid Monsignor is ignorant of his own history.

Pope Leo XIII recommended scripture reading in 1893. Which is a good bit before 1943.

47 posted on 11/24/2014 7:36:26 AM PST by NeoCaveman (DC, it's Versailles on the Potomac but without the food and culture)
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To: RoosterRedux

-— Catholics meanwhile were discouraged from reading Scripture. -—

Because the Church is always concerned about private interpretation of Scripture. Scripture must be interpreted within the Tradition and Teaching of the Church.

Moreover, the Bible ALONE as the sole or ultimate rule of faith is not biblical. Period.

Nor is Luther’s tradition found in the early Church. And his doctrine was a practical impossibility prior to the invention of the printing press. It’s no accident that his novel teaching arose shortly thereafter. Yet Luther’s doctrine is still a practical impossibility for the 18% of the world’s population that is illiterate.

Let’s cut to the chase. What good has come out of Protestantism that wasn’t in existence prior?

Luther shattered the unity of Christendom that Christ prayed for, and substituted an explosion of errors up to and including a rejection of the most important Christian dogma, the Trinity, which is rejected by Oneness Pentecostals.


48 posted on 11/24/2014 7:46:48 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: RoosterRedux

You wrote “forbidden.” No Catholic has ever been “forbidden” to read the bible. That’s just dumb.


49 posted on 11/24/2014 7:57:59 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard III: Loyalty Binds Me)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Gee, Tom, I wish I had said that!!!


50 posted on 11/24/2014 8:01:27 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard III: Loyalty Binds Me)
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To: miss marmelstein

Yes, I was wrong to use that word.


51 posted on 11/24/2014 8:04:00 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: terycarl
nonsense, yes they were Catholic or universal...they were called that within the first century.

You understand that is purely your opinion...there is not one single document or reference that calls the early church leaders (1 st century) Catholics...

52 posted on 11/24/2014 3:31:15 PM PST by Popman
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To: miss marmelstein
The underlying issue here is John Paul II and his Marian worship.

Catholics are afraid to examine the faith and its history.

The Roman Church is lying...but not because it is evil...though it is.

It is lying because it has been uncovered.

Jesus is as true as He ever was. The Catholic Church is a cult.

53 posted on 11/24/2014 3:48:27 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; RoosterRedux
Moreover, the Bible ALONE as the sole or ultimate rule of faith is not biblical. Period.

Wrong as regard sole supreme ultimate rule of faith, by which oral truth claims were established. It is abundantly evidenced that as the word of God came to be put into writing, and that it usually is, then Scripture became the transcendent supreme standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims as the wholly Divinely inspired and assured, Word of God.

And which testifies (Lk. 24:27,44, etc.) to writings of God being recognized and established as being so (essentially due to their unique and enduring heavenly qualities and attestation), and thus they materially provide for a canon of Scripture (as well as for reason, the church, etc.)

54 posted on 11/24/2014 5:11:08 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Friendofgeorge; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; ...
Peter did not wear a funny hat, my denomination is Christian

That Peter did not wear a funny hat certainly has the weight of probability on its side, but cannot be proven, and far less can it be proven, among other things from Scriptures showing the life of the NT church,

that NT pastors were distinctively titled "hierus=priests,"

as their man function was a uniquely sacrificial one in offering the Eucharist as an atonement for sin,

by which souls obtained spiritual life,

and prayed to saints,

and who looked to a supreme exalted infallible pope in Rome

whose church possessed assured perpetual infallibility as the instruments and stewards of Scripture,

which infallibility is essential to know which writings are of God.

55 posted on 11/24/2014 5:16:35 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: NeoCaveman; miss marmelstein; RoosterRedux; BipolarBob; Friendofgeorge; Popman

Since you brought it up,

It is indisputable that in Apostolic times the Old Testament was commonly read by Jews (John 5:47; Acts 8:28; 17:2,11; 3Tim. 3:15). Roman Catholics admit that this reading was not restricted in the first centuries, in spite of its abuse by Gnostics and other heretics. On the contrary, the reading of Scripture was urged (Justin Martyr, xliv, ANF, i, 177-178; Jerome, Adv. libros Rufini, i, 9, NPNF, 2d ser., iii, 487); and Pamphilus, the friend of Eusebius, kept copies of Scripture to furnish to those who desired them. Chrysostom attached considerable importance to the reading of Scripture on the part of the laity and denounced the error that it was to be permitted only to monks and priests (De Lazaro concio, iii, MPG, xlviii, 992; Hom. ii in Matt., MPG, lvii, 30, NPNF, 2d ser., x, 13). He insisted upon access being given to the entire Bible, or at least to the New Testament (Hom. ix in Col., MPG, lxii, 361, NPNF, xiii, 301). The women also, who were always at home, were diligently to read the Bible (Hom. xxxv on Gen. xii, MPG, liii, 323).

Catholic Encyclopedia (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13635b.htm):

During the course of the first millennium of her existence, the Church did not promulgate any law concerning the reading of Scripture in the vernacular. The faithful were rather encouraged to read the Sacred Books according to their spiritual needs (cf. St. Irenæus, “Adv. haer.”, III, iv).

The next five hundred years [after 1,000 AD] show only local regulations concerning the use of the Bible in the vernacular. On 2 January, 1080, Gregory VII wrote to the Duke of Bohemia that he could not allow the publication of the Scriptures in the language of the country. The letter was written chiefly to refuse the petition of the Bohemians for permission to conduct Divine service in the Slavic language. The pontiff feared that the reading of the Bible in the vernacular would lead to irreverence and wrong interpretation of the inspired text. ( St. Gregory VII, “Epist.”, vii, xi).

In 1199 the pope replied that in general the desire to read the Scriptures was praiseworthy, but that the practice was dangerous for the simple and unlearned....

The fourth rule places in the hands of the bishop or the inquisitor the power of allowing the reading of the New Testament in the vernacular to laymen who according to the judgment of their confessor or their pastor can profit by this practice.

Sixtus V reserved this power to himself or the Sacred Congregation of the Index... (Catholic Encyclopedia>Scripture)

New dangers came in during the Middle Ages...To meet those evils, the Council of Toulouse, France (1229) and Terragona, Spain, (1234) [local councils], forbade the laity to read the vernacular translations of the Bible... http://www.lazyboysreststop.org/true_attitude.htm

Pius IV (1499 -1565) required bishops to refuse lay persons leave to read even Catholic versions of Scripture unless their confessors or parish priests judged that such reading was likely to prove beneficial.” (Catholic Dictionary, Addis and Arnold, 1887, page 82)

Trent:

Since it is clear from experience that if the Sacred Books are permitted everywhere and without discrimination in the vernacular, there will by reason of the boldness of men arise therefrom more harm than good, the matter is in this respect left to the judgment of the bishop or inquisitor, who may with the advice of the pastor or confessor permit the reading of the Sacred Books translated into the vernacular by Catholic authors...

Those, however, who presume to read or possess them without such permission may not receive absolution from their sins till they have handed over to the ordinary. Bookdealers who sell or in any way supply Bibles written in the vernacular to anyone who has not this permission, shall lose the price of the books...(http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/trent-booksrules.asp)

The most stringent censorship decree after the Reformation was the Papal bull “Inter Solicitudines,” issued by Pope Leo X, December 1516, which Leo X ordered censorship to be applied to all translations from Hebrew, Greek, Arabic and Chaldaic into Latin, and from Latin into the vernacular... (Hirsch, Printing, Selling and Reading 1450-1550 [1967] 90).

“When English Roman Catholics created their first English biblical translation in exile at Douai and Reims, it was not for ordinary folk to read, but [primarily] for priests to use as a polemical weapon.—the explicit purpose which the 1582 title-page and preface of the Reims New Testament proclaimed. (Oxford University professor Diarmaid MacCulloch, The Reformation: A History,

The Douay–Rheims Bible...is a translation of the Bible from the Latin Vulgate into English undertaken by members of the English College, Douai in the service of the Catholic Church.

Which translation we do not for all that publish, upon erroneous opinion of necessity, that the Holy Scriptures should always be in our mother tongue, or that they ought, or were ordained by God, to be read impartially by all,....

or that we generally and absolutely deemed it more convenient in itself, and more agreeable to God’s Word and honour or edification of the faithful, to have them turned into vulgar tongues, than to be kept and studied only in the Ecclesiastical learned languages...

and no vulgar translation commonly used or employed by the multitude, yet they were extant in English even before the troubles that Wycliffe and his followers raised in our Church,..(www.bombaxo.com/douai-nt.html)

The Bull Unigenitus, published at Rome, September 8, 1713, as part of its censure of the propositions of Jansenism*, also condemned the following as being errors:

79. It is useful and necessary at all times, in all places, and for every kind of person, to study and to know the spirit, the piety, and the mysteries of Sacred Scripture.

80. The reading of Sacred Scripture is for all.

81. The sacred obscurity of the Word of God is no reason for the laity to dispense themselves from reading it.

82. The Lord’s Day ought to be sanctified by Christians with readings of pious works and above all of the Holy Scriptures. It is harmful for a Christian to wish to withdraw from this reading.

Testament, or to hold it closed against them by taking away from them the means of understanding it, is to close for them the mouth of Christ.

85. To forbid Christians to read Sacred Scripture, especially the Gospels, is to forbid the use of light to the sons of light, and to cause them to suffer a kind of excommunication. (INNOCENT XIII 1721-1724 BENEDICT XIII 1724-1730, CLEMENT XII 1730-174, http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Clem11/c11unige.htm)

“A dumb and difficult book was substituted for the living voice of the Church...We must also keep in mind that whenever or wherever reading endangers the purity of Christian thought and living the unum necessarium it has to be wisely restricted.” — A Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture (London: Thomas Nelson, 1953) pp. 11-12.

More . http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Ancients_on_Scripture.html#Supplementary


56 posted on 11/24/2014 5:20:34 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: stig
The Greek Orthodox Church believes in Apostolic succession. Supposedly their Bishops can trace their Apostolic lineage back to the Apostles. Where in the Roman Catholic Church the lineage has been lost to history and only assumed since only a Bishop may ordinate another Bishop.

As with "unanimous consent of the fathers , "unbroken" is defined as allowing for no popes for years or even rival popes, while preservation even means the kind of church that RCs condemn many Prots for basically holding Rome became, necessitating the Reformation, while the deformation was actually deeper.

Cardinal Ratzinger observed,

"For nearly half a century, the Church was split into two or three obediences that excommunicated one another, so that every Catholic lived under excommunication by one pope or another, and, in the last analysis, no one could say with certainty which of the contenders had right on his side. The Church no longer offered certainty of salvation; she had become questionable in her whole objective form--the true Church, the true pledge of salvation, had to be sought outside the institution. It is against this background of a profoundly shaken ecclesial consciousness that we are to understand that Luther, in the conflict between his search for salvation and the tradition of the Church, ultimately came to experience the Church, not as the guarantor, but as the adversary of salvation. (Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, head of the Sacred Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith for the Church of Rome, “Principles of Catholic Theology,” trans. by Sister Mary Frances McCarthy, S.N.D. (San Francisco: Ignatius, 1989) p.196). http://www.whitehorseinn.org/blog/2012/06/13/whos-in-charge-here-the-illusions-of-church-infallibility/)

Joseph Lortz,    German Roman Catholic theologian:

The real significance of the Western Schism rests in the fact that for decades there was an almost universal uncertainty about where the true pope and the true Church were to be found. For several decades, both popes had excommunicated each other and his followers; thus all Christendom found itself under sentence of excommunication by at least one of the contenders. Both popes referred to their rival claimant as the Antichrist, and to the Masses celebrated by them as idolatry. It seemed impossible to do anything about this scandalous situation, despite sharp protests from all sides, and despite the radical impossibility of having two valid popes at the same time. Time and time again, the petty selfishness of the contenders blocked any solution...”

Cardinal Bellarmine:

 "Some years before the rise of the Lutheran and Calvinistic heresy, according to the testimony of those who were then alive, there was almost an entire abandonment of equity in ecclesiastical judgments; in morals, no discipline; in sacred literature, no erudition; in divine things, no reverence; religion was almost extinct. (Concio XXVIII. Opp. Vi. 296- Colon 1617, in “A History of the Articles of Religion,” by Charles Hardwick, Cp. 1, p. 10,)

Erasmus, in his new edition of the “Enchiridion: “What man of real piety does not perceive with sighs that this is far the most corrupt of all ages? When did iniquity abound with more licentiousness? When was charity so cold?” (The Evolution of the English Bible: A Historical Sketch of the Successive,” p. 132 by Henry William Hamilton-Hoare)

Catholic historian Paul Johnson additionally described the existing social situation among the clergy at the time of the Reformation: 

Probably as many as half the men in orders had ‘wives’ and families. Behind all the New Learning and the theological debates, clerical celibacy was, in its own way, the biggest single issue at the Reformation. It was a great social problem and, other factors being equal, it tended to tip the balance in favour of reform. As a rule, the only hope for a child of a priest was to go into the Church himself, thus unwillingly or with no great enthusiasm, taking vows which he might subsequently regret: the evil tended to perpetuate itself.” (History of Christianity, pgs 269-270)

In the summer of 1536, Pope Paul III appointed Cardinals Contarini and Cafara and a commission to study church Reform. The report of this commission, the Consilium de emendanda ecclesiae, was completed in March 1537.  The final paragraphs deal with the corruptions of Renaissance Rome itself:

the swarm of sordid and ignorant priests in the city, the harlots who are followed around by clerics and by the noble members of the cardinals’ households …” 

The immediate effects of the Consilium fell far below the hopes of its authors and its very frankness hampered its public use. … the more noticeably pious prelates [note: this the “noticeably pious” clergy] had no longer to tolerate the open cynicism of the Medicean period, and when moral lapses by clerics came to light, pains were now taken to hush them up as matters of grievous scandal.” (G. Dickens, “The Counter Reformation,” pp. 100,102)

In the same candid spirit is the following statement of de Mézeray, the historiographer of France: [Abrege’ Chronol. VIII. 691, seqq. a Paris, 1681]

As the heads of the Church paid no regard to the maintenance of discipline, the vices and excesses of the ecclesiastics grew up to the highest pitch, and were so public and universally exposed as to excite against them the hatred and contempt of the people. We cannot repeat without a blush the usury, the avarice, the gluttony, the universal dissoluteness of the priests of this period, the licence and debauchery of the monks, the pride and extravagance of the prelates, and the shameful indolence, ignorance and superstition pervading the whole body .... These were not, I confess, new scandals: I should rather say that the barbarism and ignorance of preceding centuries, in some sort, concealed such vices; but,, on the subsequent revival of the light of learning, the spots which I have pointed out became more manifest, and as the unlearned who were corrupt could not endure the light through the pain which it caused to their eyes, so neither did the learned spare them, turning them to ridicule and delighting to expose their turpitude and to decry their superstitions.

Bossuet* in the opening statements of his “Histoire des Variations,” admits the frightful corruptions of the Church for centuries before the Reformation; and he has been followed in our own times by Frederic von Schlegel [Philosophy of History, 400, 401, 410, Engl. Transl. 1847.] and Möhler. [Symbolik, II. 31, 32, Engl. Transl.]

57 posted on 11/24/2014 5:29:38 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Hey I dont want to fight with anybody...I read my Bible every night , sometimes/mostly in order, and mostly The New Testament , right now today am reading chapter 2 of the Gospel of John , I praise Jesus in songs, I/we sing The Lords prayer for starters...actually put on The Lords Prayer by Parry Como, best version ever, and sing along and to the Lord

We sing a bunch of great praise songs to God,,,To God Be the Glory for the things He has done, By His Blood He has Saved me, By His Power he hath Raised me...

Followed by Blessed be the name of the Lord, The Old Rugged Cross, Just as I am,Amazing Grace,What a Friend We have in Jesus, then we include 3 or 4 Christmas Hymns, mix it up a bit,

The we pray for every child woman and man of the world, the orphans and the widows, the persecuted Christians, the people in jail, innocent and guilty, all the sick children and sick people, people in hospitals, old age homes, and people that have no home

We pray for every creature under the sun, from the Dogs and cats in traps and cages, wildlife in traps and cages, any suffering creature under the sun.

We pray for our family and leaders by name, we pray that NOBODY will die with out Christ.

Prayer, Worship,scripture reading.. we memorize scripture etc etc

Send away for 5000 little Bibles miniatures at a time, hand them out leave them in dr offices and grocery stores etc, they have great Scriptures in them along with a sinners prayer to ask Jesus into their life, thanking Jesus for dying on the cross for sins etc, the promise to repent and ask Jesus to be Lord and Savor

more than anybody wanted to know.

Popes with funny hats sainting people, shaking canisters etc, being addressed as your eminence, Father etc...not proper

Also any minister from any Christian denomination, it`s really not proper to even be addressed as Reverend, it`s really Not...NO I DONT GO AROUND SAYING THAT, just throwing it out there.

Religion is a stumbling block to salvation.

The Cathoic Church is a bit cultish.


58 posted on 11/24/2014 5:56:00 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (I AM OFFICER DARREN....CRUZ 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Friendofgeorge
Hey I dont want to fight with anybody...I read my Bible every night , sometimes/mostly in order, and mostly The New Testament , right now today am reading chapter 2 of the Gospel of John , I praise Jesus in songs, I/we sing The Lords prayer for starters...actually put on The Lords Prayer by Parry Como, best version ever, and sing along and to the Lord

We sing a bunch of great praise songs to God,,,To God Be the Glory for the things He has done, By His Blood He has Saved me, By His Power he hath Raised me...

Followed by Blessed be the name of the Lord, The Old Rugged Cross, Just as I am,Amazing Grace,What a Friend We have in Jesus, then we include 3 or 4 Christmas Hymns, mix it up a bit,

The we pray for every child woman and man of the world, the orphans and the widows, the persecuted Christians, the people in jail, innocent and guilty, all the sick children and sick people, people in hospitals, old age homes, and people that have no home

We pray for every creature under the sun, from the Dogs and cats in traps and cages, wildlife in traps and cages, any suffering creature under the sun.

We pray for our family and leaders by name, we pray that NOBODY will die with out Christ.

Prayer, Worship,scripture reading.. we memorize scripture etc etc

Send away for 5000 little Bibles miniatures at a time, hand them out leave them in dr offices and grocery stores etc, they have great Scriptures in them along with a sinners prayer to ask Jesus into their life, thanking Jesus for dying on the cross for sins etc, the promise to repent and ask Jesus to be Lord and Savor

more than anybody wanted to know.

Popes with funny hats sainting people, shaking canisters etc, being addressed as your eminence, Father etc...not proper

Also any minister from any Christian denomination, it`s really not proper to even be addressed as Reverend, it`s really Not...NO I DONT GO AROUND SAYING THAT, just throwing it out there.

Wonderful! Praise God + Amen. What a contrast to the dead ritualism of Rome with her perfunctory professions or cultic devotion.

May your tribe increase.

59 posted on 11/24/2014 6:16:24 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: terycarl

Almighty God saved his Own Word! He didn’t need YOU or ME or our denomination to save anything. I feel so sorry for you that you are so lost in a denomination that you have lost sight that God does his work through all people and doesn’t need any of US. OBTW I don’t do denominations we read the Bible and that is our ONLY guide. My denomination is the one that was started by Jesus Christ, the one that believes in the Life, Death, and Resurrection of the Christ and that he SITS (work is done) at the Right Hand of the Living God.

Daniel 4:35 New International Version (NIV)

35 All the peoples of the earth
are regarded as nothing.
He does as he pleases
with the powers of heaven
and the peoples of the earth.
No one can hold back his hand
or say to him: “What have you done?”

Isaiah 64:6 New International Version (NIV)

6 All of us have become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
we all shrivel up like a leaf,
and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

Acts 17:24-25 New International Version (NIV)

24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else.


60 posted on 11/24/2014 6:50:50 PM PST by mrobisr
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