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Switzerland, America and New Zealand: The Kiwi is low-hanging fruit
Western Rifle Shooters Association ^ | March 15, 2015 | Matthew Bracken

Posted on 03/16/2015 5:12:56 AM PDT by Travis McGee

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To: Travis McGee

This also reminds me of some people who moved to the peaceful Falkland Islands in the early 1981 to get away from the warmongering nations.

Then Argentina invaded.

You can run, but you can’t hide!


21 posted on 03/16/2015 7:52:47 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Travis McGee

That, and it is a socialist hellhole.


22 posted on 03/16/2015 8:02:09 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Leaning Right
But the armory rule shows that even Switzerland is drifting towards stupid.

Even in years past, Swiss citizen-soldiers were only issued a small quantity of ammunition with the rifle. The idea was simply for them to be effectively armed until they reached the assigned muster point (where additional equipment and supplies would be issued).

Rifle marksmanship is one of their national obsessions. There are public rifle ranges in every canton and a *national* shooting competition every few years (this year, IIRC) which will probably draw over 2,000 competing teams and over 40,000 individual competitors. Many Swiss citizens own privately-purchased rifles, so their capabilities are not entirely in the hands of the bureaucrats.

There's one odd thing, though: Despite making some of the world's finest sidearms, the Swiss view America's "gun culture" - as depicted in the media and in movies - as a problem related to handguns. It's as though they somehow cleanly separate the function of rifles from that of handguns in their minds. The former is good, the latter *could* be bad. Bicycling to the range with a true assault rifle slung across your back? Totally normal thing to do. Carry a handgun concealed? Unthinkable.

23 posted on 03/16/2015 8:16:55 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Travis McGee

My friends in New Zealand say the Chinese are already in the process of buying up all the real estate, so invasion may not be necessary...


24 posted on 03/16/2015 8:34:23 AM PDT by Galatians513 (this space available for catchy tagline)
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To: Charles Martel
Despite making some of the world's finest sidearms

Swiss law is very restrictive to arms manufacturing - check out the SIG Sauer entry on Wikipedia, for example. I.e., they don't seem to make any at all.

25 posted on 03/16/2015 10:11:35 AM PDT by Moltke ("The Press, Watson, is a most valuable institution if you only know how to use it.")
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To: Travis McGee

NZ has clean air and clean water. That alone must be very tempting for the Chinese elites...


26 posted on 03/16/2015 10:12:34 AM PDT by Moltke ("The Press, Watson, is a most valuable institution if you only know how to use it.")
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To: Leaning Right

I think the Swiss reservists can keep a magazine or two of ammo at home in case they need it to fight to get to the armoryt but like you said, it would be wise to purchase your own to augnment your ammo supply.


27 posted on 03/16/2015 1:45:23 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: Travis McGee

BTTT


28 posted on 03/16/2015 5:53:40 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Travis McGee

Bump


29 posted on 03/16/2015 11:08:41 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Travis McGee; CatherineofAragon; mrsmel; Pelham

We’ve gone from 30 percent in 1960 of worlds population to the 9 percent by 2060

Negroid race will be 25 percent then from 9 percent in 1960 and Arabs will have mushroomed in same period nearly 800%

Two groups that are arguably the worlds worst at self government and violence

Why?

Abortion obviously

And white women are too selfish and self obsessed to procreate And white men are hapless living up to a TV commercial stereotypes

White culture ruled last 600 years and impact wise from far earlier in Mesopotamia

Asians will be our new master

We should be spreading the word of Christ to them as diligently as possible if for nothing but our own safety

A nihilistic anthropocentric East will have no mercy on us


30 posted on 03/17/2015 12:23:32 AM PDT by wardaddy (Dems hate western civilization and GOP are cowards...We are headed to a dark place)
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To: wardaddy

Indeed they won’t, if events don’t take a non-linear turn first.

I used to post: Will the last European die in a Chinese zoo, or over a cannibal’s spit.

My guess is there will be a few non-linear tricks in our future, and when the dust settles, the total population will be a lot lower, and ratios will be rearranged.

It will take brains and organization to stay alive after the power goes out.


31 posted on 03/17/2015 4:56:16 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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32 posted on 03/17/2015 9:02:23 AM PDT by Perseverando (In Washington it's common knowledge that Barack Hussein Obama is ineligible to be POTUS.)
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To: Perseverando

Awesome image.


33 posted on 03/17/2015 9:07:20 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
Switzerland, America and New Zealand: The Kiwi is low-hanging fruit

I spent one of my R&R sessions in Auckland. Though their military is generally very good and the NZ SAS is superb, it'll be a case of too little, likely applied too late. The Aussies will very likely have their own problems to sort out, and the chances that the US will be in a position to assist the ANZACS in the next decade do not look promising.

And the enemy has been entrenched in the region and has attacked sporadically since 1915, for a bit more than a century now.

God help the ANZACS, and especially, the Kiwis.

34 posted on 03/20/2015 11:04:05 AM PDT by archy
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To: Travis McGee
My guess is there will be a few non-linear tricks in our future, and when the dust settles, the total population will be a lot lower, and ratios will be rearranged.

This is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
Not with a bang but a whimper.


--T.S. Eliot.

35 posted on 03/20/2015 11:06:58 AM PDT by archy
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To: Nowhere Man; Travis McGee
I think the Swiss reservists can keep a magazine or two of ammo at home in case they need it to fight to get to the armory but like you said, it would be wise to purchase your own to augnment your ammo supply.

In the days of the PE 57 in the old 7,5 caliber, they were required to keep a sealed can of Gewehrpatrone 11 (G11) ammo- the cardboard boxes are of 10 rounds [in a convenient six-pack carton], the military tins of 24, as I recall, the PE57 rifle having a 24 round magazine. The older straight-pull rifles had a 6-round magazine, and when I shot in a Swiss rifle match at Thun, there were about a quarter of the shooters using the older rifles, mostly the m/31 straightpull carbine. I had a rebarreled German Kar 98k, which several of the Swiss admired, and remarked that it was a shame that I'd be unable to shoot it that day, as they had none of the 7,92x57mm German ammo. Which was when I happily pointed out that it was rebarreled, and that I had reworked it with a .30 Browning machinegun barrel with a .308 bore diameter, chambered for, you guessed it, the Swiss 7.5 G11 cartridge. I did pretty well- I was a LOT younger then- but a LOT of the Swiss shooters did much better, having the *home court* advantage and several years of familiarity with their chosen tools.

As I recall, the cost for ammo at the match was about $0.04 per round. I took about 600 rounds back to Germany with me, things being a lot easier in those days. Oh, btw: those who reload 7.5 Swiss can use American .308 diameter projectiles meant for .30-06/.308 ammo, including tracer and AP. Which was one of the reasons I reworked my K98 to that caliber.

I don't know how it is now that the Swiss have the SIG 550 rifles in 5,56mm. But I'd bet it's pret' near the same.


36 posted on 03/20/2015 11:27:28 AM PDT by archy
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To: Travis McGee
The response will be as if I had suggested putting tarantulas and scorpions into New Zealand nurseries and baby cribs to make Kiwi infants tougher.

That's just a marketing problem. Throw a few crocodiles in there and call it a petting zoo.

A slight historical perspective (and it fits with the excellent movie you recommended) - "you can take it, but can you hold it?" is the classical question in these scenarios, and there is a positive answer - yes, you can hold it if you dispose of all of the original inhabitants. In an isolated valley or a small island nation, yes, you can dispose of the original inhabitants. Cheery business.

37 posted on 03/20/2015 11:50:36 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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