Posted on 08/08/2015 8:09:05 AM PDT by don-o
Welcome to the Waco discussion.
What do you think about mass arrests off identical pc affidavits and $1,000,000 bonds?
Are you curious about the cause of death of nine people? Are you curious about why the police do not want the public knowing that?
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I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but the more I read, the more it all stinks.
>>> I went to the link. It’s dated August 7, 2015 and talks about stuff that happened yesterday. <<<
Wrong link. Clearly you weren’t paying attention so try post #9, the link I was referring to and the one TexasGator has repetitively posted on the Waco threads he’s trolled.
My understanding is that the cause of death of four of the nine killed during this incident have been released, and all four were killed by police weapons.
Just so I understand you correctly, a man can earn a Purple Heart and have a clean record and you’re OK with the government murdering him if he hangs out with people that you don’t approve of?
Besides freedom of association, are there any other parts of the Bill of Rights you don’t care for?
That's significant new news to me. Do you have a link to any of these reports?
Thank you for the yeoman’s work you’re doing keeping up with this.
We wouldn’t be hearing anything otherwise.
There is nothing in your link that supports your claim.
“According to a law enforcement source, preliminary information indicates that four of the bikers killed were killed by police gunfire. The investigation continues and the ballistics will be analyzed to determine for certain who was responsible for each shooting.”
www.cnn.com/2015/05/18/us/texas-biker-gang-brawl-shooting/index.html
This is the best information available, given the total blackout by official sources.
Me: “He hung out with Bandidos” http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/New-Braunfels-man-killed-in-Waco-shooting-enjoyed-6277290.php
You: Just so I understand you correctly, a man can earn a Purple Heart and have a clean record and you’re OK with the government murdering him if he hangs out with people that you don’t approve of? Besides freedom of association, are there any other parts of the Bill of Rights you don’t care for?
Looking at my post which was a quote from one of his family members) and your response (noting that you did not cite my post) I can see that you just made up that B.S.
“Besides freedom of association, are there any other parts of the Bill of Rights you don’t care for?”
FYI, the Bill of Rights says “Congress shall make no laws ...”
It goes on to say that other limitations are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
I’m not sure what country you think this is, but in the United States of America we have this thing called a Constitution. Amending the Constitution is this thing called the Bill of Rights.
Among the guarantees in the Bill of Rights is that you get the freedom to associate with whom you please, and that’s nobody else’s business.
Other guarantees in the Bill of Rights include the right to a trial by jury (as opposed to being executed on the spot by agents of the state), the right to know the charges against you, the right to face your accusers, and the right to present a defense. Additionally, you have the right not to be subject to cruel and unusual punishments.
None of those rights were respected here.
I don’t know exactly where you are coming from, but it is far more reminiscent of places like East Germany or North Korea, where the government can kill whoever it likes and is answerable to no one. That is not what America is about. If you wish to live under rules appropriate to a despotic, totalitarian state, the world provides you with a large range of options - but the United States is not one of them.
“Among the guarantees in the Bill of Rights is that you get the freedom to associate with whom you please, and that’s nobody else’s business.”
A literal interpretation:
“Congress shall make no law ...”
“None of those rights were respected here.”
Really? The gangs were allowed to associate at a breastaurant in a public plaza on a Sunday afternoon and no one interfered ...
Until they started shooting at each other.
“Other guarantees in the Bill of Rights include “
First Amendment: Congress shall make no laws ...
Sixth Amendment: ... the accused shall enjoy the right ...
Notice the difference?
W. Patrick Swanton was the spokesperson early on in the incident. From his CV at the link:
Sgt. Swanton is currently the team leader over the Crisis Intervention Unit. While in Special Operations he furthered his training by attending a course provided by the National Guard on helicopter assaults and courses on basic through advanced S.W.A.T. Team Tactics. While in Special Operations Swanton was also involved in the aftermath at Mount Carmel and was awarded the Police Commendation bar along with his other teammates for their involvement.
“Among the guarantees in the Bill of Rights is that you get the freedom to associate with whom you please, and that’s nobody else’s business. Other guarantees in the Bill of Rights include the right to a trial by jury (as opposed to being executed on the spot by agents of the state), the right to know the charges against you, the right to face your accusers, and the right to present a defense. Additionally, you have the right not to be subject to cruel and unusual punishments.
None of those rights were respected here.”
Right to Jury Trial: That right will be respected.
Right to know charges: That right will be respected.
Right to face accusers: That right will be respected.
Right to present a defense: That right will be respected.
No cruel or unusual punishment: That right will be respected.
The Constitution of the State of Texas also guarantees these rights; the most directly relevant provision is Article I, Section 19, which reads:
“DEPRIVATION OF LIFE, LIBERTY, ETC.; DUE COURSE OF LAW. No citizen of this State shall be deprived of life, liberty, property, privileges or immunities, or in any manner disfranchised, except by the due course of the law of the land.”
You haven’t a leg to stand on in your argument. You have set yourself directly against the core principles on which the United States was founded and to which each and every State in the Union adheres. You ought to be ashamed of the record of comments which appear in your name.
“DEPRIVATION OF LIFE, LIBERTY, ETC.; DUE COURSE OF LAW. No citizen of this State shall be deprived of life, liberty, property, privileges or immunities, or in any manner disfranchised, except by the due course of the law of the land.”
Most are out on bond by the due course of the law of the land.
“You haven’t a leg to stand on in your argument”
Please cite my ‘argument’ ...
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