Posted on 03/09/2016 6:10:43 AM PST by Nextrush
They had to leave him lying there until the truck was cleared, which took some time because the people inside the truck were refusing to surrender until the officers shot enough teargas and flash bangs to convince them that they had no other option. Attending to Finicum, in the position he was in, without knowing that there was nobody in the truck that could fire on them would have just been stupid.
Because the ambush was set up a half mile farther down the road. Where ALL the LEO were set up at to do the ambush. Where the BACKSHOOTER was hiding in the woods. Where you could see his tire tracks to his hide out. Reply back when you get some real facts. READ Oathkeepers for a Start. Sorry to confuse you with facts.
That wasn’t an ambush - it was a roadblock. There were cops in the woods to the sides in case the truck stopped and the occupants ran. Finicum is the one who drove at high speed directly toward the roadblock and then turned at the last second, so late that he nearly ran over an officer who was attempting to escape the near-certain collision. Finicum wasn’t shot until he was out of the vehicle and refused repeatedly to comply with officers’ instructions, while repeatedly yelling at them to shoot him, and then reached for the gun on his left side.
Regardless of what overreach the federal government may be involved in regarding federal lands, you do not have a right to decide that a felony traffic stop is illegal and ignore officer instructions.
You do not have a right to dictate terms to police officers engaged in a felony traffic stop and tell them to follow you to a location over 50 miles away and then drive away.
You do not have a right to plow through a roadblock at a high rate of speed, endangering at least one law enforcement officer’s life.
You most certainly do not have a right to reach for a weapon when you are surrounded by law enforcement officers with guns pointed at you.
Totally justified shoot by these officers.
And the people remaining in the truck weren’t getting shot at by bullets. They were tear gas or pepper spray rounds and flash bangs. If police wanted to “murder” them, it would have been easy enough to do so, but police instead made the situation inside the truck dire enough that the occupants realized they had to surrender, which they did without incident.
Under Oregon law, the DA said, Finicum was using his pickup as a weapon.
The part they left out was, in self defense, after being ambushed by OSP and the Feds.
The Feds had 5 or 6 opportunities to take the occupiers into custody peacefully when they met with the Feds on the Fed's terms. Instead, the Feds chose an ambush, therefore, Finicum's actions were self defense.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is nothing more than a traitorous wretch and should be treated as such.
Up yours. Anyone with a brain can see that Finicum is the one who chose to end things the way he did.
You must be one of those high & mighty jackboots who think they can do anything because they got a badge and a gun. Kneel and lick your master’s boots.
I prefer the term Radical Constitutionalist.
GET IT RIGHT !
Actually, I’m just a guy with a brain who tries to see things from both sides. I learned to do that after my initial reaction to the Trayvon Martin shooting, when I was calling for George Zimmerman’s head, but then some people here on FreeRepublic convinced me that I was acting out of emotion without looking at the facts. I finally listened to them and started doing some research and found that they were right - a careful analysis of the facts of the case showed that Zimmerman was justified.
This case is similar. The emotional reaction is that the cops “murdered” Mr. Finicum, because the people reacting that way just hate the government and police and they are looking for any chance to tar them with such labels. A careful examination of the actual facts of the case and an attempt to put oneself into the mind of the officers on the scene shows that the officers were acting rationally and dealing with a man who was intent on bringing about a violent confrontation that day.
Again - if the officers intended to murder Mr. Finicum, then why didn’t any of the other people in the truck die, and why did Mr. Bundy surrender peacefully in the other truck?
FACT: Bundy and several of the occupiers met with the Feds MULTIPLE times (I can go find the pics, if you'd like), on Fed territory. The Feds could have taken them into custody, PEACEFULLY & WITHOUT BLOODSHED, any number of times.
FACT: The Feds chose to AMBUSH the occupiers instead.
FACT: Finicum was shot IN THE BACK by a chickensh!t jackboot statist thug during the AMBUSH, simply because he stood his ground as a real American hero & patriot.
FACT: The jackboot Feds & OSP AMBUSHED the patriots because they WANTED BLOODSHED, otherwise they would have taken them into custody peacefully on multiple occasions.
FACT: In the end, Finicum was the only patriot willing to put into action his words - the rest simply surrendered, much to the dismay of the Feds, I'm sure, instead of standing their ground.
Now, who is ignoring facts?
They were purposefully lied to and betrayed by at least three of the four government sponsored LE organizations present.
They were purposefully led away from a semi-secure position by lies from the government on a promise of free passage for negotiations.
They were purposefully stopped in an area known NOT to have cellphone communications.
ALL escape routes away from the stop area were purposefully blocked with armed men or vehicles. Including gunmen hidden in the forest.
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A roadblock, by definition, is an ambush. Laying in wait to attack someone by surprise is an ambush. None of the Bend occupiers had committed any acts of violence that necessitated the felony stop scenario witnessed on these tapes.
One question to you, RightFighter.
Just who’s side are you on?
Seems that way.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace but there is no peace. The war is actually begun!
The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field!
Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?
Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
Patrick Henry
St. John’s Church
Richmond, Virginia
March 23, 1775.
right fighter might change his view IF he does some real research. I have given him a starting point, which it seems by his post that he has not bothered to educate himself. If anyone thinks that the ambush was actually a road block is a fool. they would have set up tire spikes etc. the snow was a few feet deep. There are WAY too many facts to prove otherwise.....unless you are MSM brainwashed.
NOT leaving an escape route during a police stop is, again, by definition, an escalation into deadly force knowingly put in place by LEO.
The authorities escalated this standoff until they themselves were ‘forced’ into killing someone.
Just like they planned it.
Today, we have big house with big mortgages, jobs with (if we're lucky) nice paychecks, fast/nice cars and trucks that tow boats and trailers with quads and dirt bikes and big screen TV's. Somehow, that makes us believe someway that we have more to lose than the Founders. Until all of that is taken away, I fear we will, as Samuel Adams put it: "Love wealth more than the animated contest for liberty". :(
I have not followed this story at all. Just watched the truck video. I am puzzled why a roadblock with armed officers was necessary when the driver at least claimed he was proceeding to a sheriff in the next jurisdiction (as I understand it).
Baffled as to what was so urgent that the stop had to be made at that moment as opposed to just waiting O J style until the vehicle ran out of fuel or occupants grew tired of the pursuit. Way to much force for the situation.
Someone should be accountable for the decision to act in such haste.
A roadblock was NOT necessary. In fact, Bundy had met WITH THE FBI, at the FBI compound at the Burns municipal airport, on January 21st & 22nd, during which time Bundy and several of the occupiers could have been taken into custody peacefully and without blood shed. Here are the pics:
Instead of using this opportunity, the Feds CHOSE TO AMBUSH the occupiers in the hopes they would fight back, plain & simple. It was MURDER, no matter how you slice or dice it.
Ping to #37 above.
Why did Finicum run when virtually everybody else surrendered including Bundy?
Wrong.
On January 21, Bundy started negotiations with the FBI. Despite demanding to talk to an agent directly, he had a brief discussion with a negotiator on the phone after showing up unexpectedly at the local airport. He discussed about relinquishing federal government control of the refuge as well as the releases of Dwight and Steven Hammond. He proclaimed that he would not talk about or negotiate a resolution to the militant occupation until the demands were met. Bundy then agreed to meet with the FBI again on the next day. However, when the meeting occurred, Bundy left prematurely after the agent present declined to hold their negotiations in front of the media.
By the 26th, the feds had decided that they were going to begin arresting people as they traveled to and from the ranch. Finicum had been telling anyone who would listen that he was not going to be taken to jail. He wanted a fight and he got exactly what he asked for. He caused his own death.
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