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Why Americans Should Care the U.S. is Approaching $20 Trillion in Debt
Capitol Confidential ^ | 8/1/2016 | Tom Gantert

Posted on 08/02/2016 1:48:55 PM PDT by MichCapCon

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To: DiogenesLamp
Or trigger a world wide depression. Possibly a world war.

If orders for durable goods drops for foreign made items then how does that kill the USA economy? Laid off factory workers in other countries can KMA. So your comment MAKES NO ECONOMIC SENSE.

Better if we just go ahead and go over the cliff? Screw that. SMOOT HAWLEY did not do anything to cause or worsen the Great Depression. That is myth and a lie. If S-H act had not been passed the history of the 1930's would have been exactly the same.

21 posted on 08/02/2016 2:30:17 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
But none of that is going to happen. We are going to crash.

Not if we apply the brakes, called tariffs.

22 posted on 08/02/2016 2:31:37 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: PGR88
All it will take is a little hyper-inflation and $20 trillion in debt will be nothing. $20 trillion won't buy you a cup of coffee.


23 posted on 08/02/2016 2:33:49 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (Never Hillary)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

“I hope someone rubs his manchild nose hard in the pavement when we All Fall Down...”

Good luck Wi Dat.......


24 posted on 08/02/2016 2:38:58 PM PDT by NYAmerican
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To: MichCapCon
To keep things in perspective, here is $1 Million in $100 bills ...

... and here is $1 Trillion in $100 bills.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2652299/posts

25 posted on 08/02/2016 2:40:55 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (Never Hillary)
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To: All

We are far past the point where the West can pay its debt.

The only reason we haven’t seen a crushing currency crisis in one country or another is that all of them are trying to race each other to the bottom.

We are a few years, at best, away from the worst financial reboot in human history.


26 posted on 08/02/2016 2:49:17 PM PDT by TheTimeOfMan (Three Percenter - Cruz/West)
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To: MichCapCon

I no longer care about the national Debt, but I care very deeply for how little gold I own. I need much more.


27 posted on 08/02/2016 2:50:12 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (The Confederate Flag is the new "N" word.)
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To: Jonty30

Yes, but that is not the only purpose of NIRP.


28 posted on 08/02/2016 2:52:08 PM PDT by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

Lol to the power of infinity.

The last time idiots like him were spewingbnew paradigms it was about housing. “There is no bubble. Housing never goes down. It is different this time.”

We all know how that ended.

It is never different this time. The soaring debt will end very badly for everybody but the rich, presuming they have gold, real estate, staple businesses, and such. One day the speculatorps are going to be jumping out of windows.


29 posted on 08/02/2016 2:54:41 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (The Confederate Flag is the new "N" word.)
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To: TheTimeOfMan

There is a way out. The USA should save itself and the rest of the world be dammed. Tariffs of 20% would stop the bleeding of trade deficits, budget deficits and offshoring. Any factory owner contemplating offshoring would shelve that idea indefinitely. Repatriation of industry should be made a priority. It would be painful at first but in the long run much better. No need to reboot.


30 posted on 08/02/2016 2:55:32 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
If orders for durable goods drops for foreign made items then how does that kill the USA economy? Laid off factory workers in other countries can KMA. So your comment MAKES NO ECONOMIC SENSE.

My point is that economics often doesn't make sense. Sometimes what happens is very different from what we expected to happen. We have been engaging in a discussion about the economic factors which triggered the Civil War.

So far, the evidence is leading me in the direction of the war being started to protect North Eastern monied interests. Their monopolistic/protectionist policies didn't have the intended consequences they expected.

When they saw they were going to lose huge sums of money due to Southern independence, they pressured Lincoln to start a war to prevent those huge losses.

Better if we just go ahead and go over the cliff? Screw that. SMOOT HAWLEY did not do anything to cause or worsen the Great Depression. That is myth and a lie. If S-H act had not been passed the history of the 1930's would have been exactly the same.

I do not know if it is a myth and/or a lie. I am amenable to arguments that it is, but I think economic policy needs to be set with a great deal more caution than we have seen in the past.

Before making such changes, we need to be D@mned sure they will result in consequences we like.

31 posted on 08/02/2016 3:08:39 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: MichCapCon

Cantorize the Mooselimb bass turd!!!


32 posted on 08/02/2016 3:15:05 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (FUHRC)
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To: central_va
Not if we apply the brakes, called tariffs.

We have unfunded liabilities in excess of five times our entire national debt. "Tariff's" will be as effective as bailing the ocean with a tea cup.

We are either going to have to kill off a lot of population to whom retirement benefits are owed, or we are going to have to inflate the money supply to steal the value of the money owed.

We are in a horrible financial mess, and I think it is not going to be resolved by any simple means.

33 posted on 08/02/2016 3:30:10 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

We are in a horrible financial mess, and I think it is not going to be resolved by any simple means.


Nothing will change until the cash flow stops. What causes the cash flow to stop will be interesting.

What caused the cash flow to stop with the USSR?


34 posted on 08/02/2016 3:38:29 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

our economy is based on innovative productivity.”


Not sure I can argue with that. It is just another way of saying cash flow management. My observations on that is any jack ass can manage cash flow as long as someone else provides the cash.


35 posted on 08/02/2016 3:46:02 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

My point is that economics often doesn’t make sense. Sometimes what happens is very different from what we expected to happen.


And that is called the Invisible Hand by Adam Smith. It is a wild beast and can not be tamed.............


36 posted on 08/02/2016 3:52:13 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I am really going to prove my ignorance because I don’t know what they are exactly but derivatives are an even bigger issue if I under stand that correctly. Like $750 trillion???


37 posted on 08/02/2016 6:08:44 PM PDT by Wildbill22 ( They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton William Abrams)
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To: rbg81; All

That’s because for almost everybody in office and in financial corporations and a lot of other elites are ALL in “get while the gettin’s good” mode. They only want to utilize what time is left to amass and load out their loot to someplace secure. They give not one rats turd what happens to the Republic or its citizenry.


38 posted on 08/02/2016 6:14:17 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: MichCapCon

And the ongoing and ever increasing third-world poverty immigration to Western countries is gasoline on the fire...well done, Western governments! May you all rot in hell (following public execution - after a fair and speedy trial).


39 posted on 08/03/2016 3:01:32 PM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building)
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