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Humanity may not need a warp drive to go interstellar
Astronomy Magazine ^ | August 10, 2016 | David Warmflash

Posted on 08/14/2016 4:49:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Sasparilla

During the MST3K presentation of that movie I was laughing so hard I couldn’t see


21 posted on 08/14/2016 6:02:13 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It has been said that if you want to go fast, go alone, but if you want to go far, go together. This proverb characterizes the strategy of building an interstellar ship so large that you don’t worry so much about the travel time.

Effectively, the ship is a space colony. It contains a large population—current estimates are that a minimum of tens of thousands of colonists are needed for a healthy gene pool—

Strangelove: Naturally, they would breed prodigiously, eh? There would be much time, and little to do. But ah with the proper breeding techniques and a ratio of say, ten females to each male, I would guess that they could then work their way back to the present gross national product within say, twenty years.

Turgidson: Doctor, you mentioned the ration of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn't that necessitate the abandonment of the so called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?

Strangelove: Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious... service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.

DeSadeski: I must confess, you have an astonishingly good idea there, Doctor.

22 posted on 08/14/2016 6:48:08 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Shut up, Bob Costas. Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Star drives don't need ships...


23 posted on 08/14/2016 6:53:11 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You will have to get past the dome first.


24 posted on 08/14/2016 7:06:15 PM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: Talisker; Celerity

The Ruby Red Slippers of Oz are merely a foreshadow of the Spacing Guild and “Traveling Without Moving.”

The obvious parallel is Dorothy simply wishing a thing in her mind in order to travel there and the Navigator who “folds space” through the use of his mind in a spice trance.

Einstein himself held out the possibility that time did not in fact exist. I don’t have the exact quote at my fingertips, but (paraphrased) it was something like “Time is simply a gift given to man by a merciful God to keep him from having to comprehend everything happening all at once.”

The same could be said of physical reality which the closer it is inspected by physicists shows more and more evidence of the fact that it really isn’t there.

Once space and time are fully understood in their inherent non-reality, then moving through nothing to another point in nothingness becomes easy.

That is the point that Paul makes in Dune when he describes himself as “the Nexus, the Fulcrum, Past and Present, all the same. All One.”


25 posted on 08/14/2016 7:12:29 PM PDT by shibumi (I am the Nexus One I want more life Muthah I ain't done *~)
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26 posted on 08/14/2016 7:14:50 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: wally_bert

Love it. Easy as eating pancakes.


27 posted on 08/14/2016 7:32:15 PM PDT by ro_dreaming (Chesterton, 'Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It's been found hard and not tried')
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To: ro_dreaming

Hammerheads and black holes didn’t mix too well for that guy.

Good series. Too bad it was killed off just as it was really getting interesting.


28 posted on 08/14/2016 7:37:18 PM PDT by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: shibumi
Once space and time are fully understood in their inherent non-reality, then moving through nothing to another point in nothingness becomes easy.

That is the point that Paul makes in Dune when he describes himself as “the Nexus, the Fulcrum, Past and Present, all the same. All One.”

Yes. It's also the essence of yogic "realization" - nothing new is gained, only eternal, unchanging reality is recognized.

To such a one, "time" and "space" are seen as completely artificial, like holding a reel of film in your hands and understanding it has to be played, but you're not "in" it.

29 posted on 08/14/2016 8:15:38 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: shibumi

Static time is easier understood through the writings of Carl Sagan.

His 4th dimension exercise shows us that time is, of course, static. But the only way we could understand it is linearly.

There is another 4 hours of talking that I have prepared for this, but I will just bring the conversation to the 8th dimension. If we impose our current knowledge of dimension shapes, continually extrapolating the “flat landers” example all the way through the dimensions it’s easy to see the flaws with “the big bang”. It’s easier to see the shape of the universe, and it includes blue shift and postulates that when we peer through the telescope at distant galaxies - one of those distant galaxies is our own.

It’s most important to replace spatial observation with temporal observation. In other words, abandon the idea that there is such a thing as distance and space - and accept that it is actually time that is being measured between two points.

Which explains how distance is measured in the Northeast US - In terms of time. (How far is Boston from New York City? About 4 hours.)


30 posted on 08/14/2016 8:28:08 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let’s clean up our act on Earth first. And spend our money on making life better on Earth. Meanwhile, technology will advance and we can one day travel the stars quickly if needed.


31 posted on 08/14/2016 9:01:21 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: Crucial

Earth First!

We’ll mine the other planets later.


32 posted on 08/14/2016 9:01:56 PM PDT by dfwgator
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33 posted on 08/14/2016 9:08:31 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Celerity; Talisker
We three may be using different terms from time to time (Hah!) but I think we are all driving at something that is understood with common intuition.

"Which explains how distance is measured in the Northeast US - In terms of time. (How far is Boston from New York City? About 4 hours.)"

I live smack dab in the middle, near Chicago.
I have been expressing distance as time as long as I can remember. For example:

"If you take the train, The Loop is an hour away, but it's forty minutes on the expressway."

I guess is you take the Zenway you're already here, you just don't realize it yet.

34 posted on 08/14/2016 9:26:17 PM PDT by shibumi (I am the Nexus One I want more life Muthah I ain't done *~)
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To: shibumi
I guess is you take the Zenway you're already here, you just don't realize it yet.

Yep. And even then, what do you have? Nothing!

35 posted on 08/14/2016 9:31:48 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

Is = if.

(I really have to start proofreading my posts.
Sometime in the nonexistent future I guess...)


36 posted on 08/14/2016 9:39:18 PM PDT by shibumi (I am the Nexus One I want more life Muthah I ain't done *~)
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To: shibumi

Folding space is a mathematical construct not a metaphysical one, although both are possible I would imagine.


37 posted on 08/14/2016 10:08:39 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("Washington, DC. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious")
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Mathematics is simply metaphysics unbundled.

Tesla: “If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.”

If you have time sometime (Another Hah!) do a search on the Golden Rectangle that is based not on the classic Fibonacci model but rather on the 216. It offers a possible explanation of the 3, 6 & 9 of which Tesla spoke and generates a sphere that ~could be~ the shape of the universe.

Or not.

38 posted on 08/14/2016 10:27:08 PM PDT by shibumi (I am the Nexus One I want more life Muthah I ain't done *~)
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