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Bear Spray Failure in Montana (video)
Gun Watch ^ | 4 October, 2016 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 10/11/2016 3:30:33 PM PDT by marktwain

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To: marktwain

Hiker: Should I carry a gun into bear country?
Ranger: Absolutely not. We recommend you wear these little bells so the bear will know your coming and won’t be surprised. We also recommend you carry this bear spray made out of pepper. We also recommend you be very careful if you see any bear scat (poop)?
Hiker: How will I recognize bear scat?
Ranger: It will have little bells in it and smell like pepper.


21 posted on 10/11/2016 4:24:46 PM PDT by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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To: wjcsux
"I love my Model 29 S&W.

I live in Montana, bear country, and that is what I carry when out and about. Yes ... even down in the creek bottom in my back yard. But my back yard is the Rocky Mountains.

22 posted on 10/11/2016 4:25:07 PM PDT by Comment Not Approved (When bureaucrats outlaw hunting, outlaws will hunt bureaucrats.)
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To: marktwain

My first day of working for the US Forest Service, I walked by a guy who was packing a revolver.

I asked my Trail Crew partner if the guy with the revolver thought he was a gunfighter or something.

My partner told me to shut up.

The guy with the revolver had been part of a six man Trail Crew that got between a Grizzly sow and her cubs.

When she was done with them, the guy with the revolver was the only man left who could move.

He carried a pistol after that.

I shut my mouth.


23 posted on 10/11/2016 4:26:24 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: marktwain

For those of you who like to visit Western Montana.....

The story is that one of the Indian tribes came down with one of the illnesses their immune system wasn’t ready for.

It wiped out the village.

Grizzlies are scavengers.

They fed on the dead Indians.

Those Grizzlies came to like the flesh of humans.

I’m not saying that Grizzlies in Western Montana developed a gene that makes them crave human flesh, but I never give them the chance to prove that theory.

Bwahahahahahaha!

Welcome to Big Sky Country!


24 posted on 10/11/2016 4:32:08 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: nonsporting

Or a 315 WFN hard cast at 1280fps well shoot through even large bears.


25 posted on 10/11/2016 4:33:46 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: marktwain

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Bear spray never works if mama has cubs.

Casul .454 is an alternate spray that rarely fails.

velocity = approx mach 2.
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26 posted on 10/11/2016 4:38:14 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: blueunicorn6

An inordinate amount of Lewis and Clark journals were devoted to Grizzly bear encounters. They felt like they couldn’t adequately communicate to easterners how much worse a griz was than a black bear.

Carrying both is very smart.


27 posted on 10/11/2016 4:38:36 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up....)
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To: editor-surveyor

Actually, there are legions of people who have been badly mauled after using a handgun on a bear. Even some of the vaunted magnums.

You are going for a target 1/5 the size of a human brain, encased in a dense bone skull. It is in a full snarling charge, covered in fur. Your adrenaline WILL be pumping. A miss is worthless. A wound other than to brain him is worthless and will enrage him. Mere mortals should have bear spray, backed up by the handgun for a final attempt to save yourself.


28 posted on 10/11/2016 4:47:48 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up....)
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To: DesertRhino

“there are legions of people who have been badly mauled after using a handgun on a bear. Mere mortals should “

That doesn’t prove guns don’t work. It only goes to show that many people don’t know how to use a gun.

Bear Spray = Human Seasoning. Bears love it!

Mere mortals can know how to use a gun, so stop with the anti-firearm drama.


29 posted on 10/11/2016 4:57:45 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: DesertRhino

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Actually, I would go for the stem, through the mouth.

It may not kill, but it will render its motor nerves non-functional.

Lots of Bear hunters use our property for access on their hunts, and they mostly use that approach.
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30 posted on 10/11/2016 5:04:57 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CodeToad

Amen!


31 posted on 10/11/2016 5:07:03 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: umgud

........this is interesting. I spend a lot of my summers on the Yukon in the middle of the bears by myself and I carry the cousin of this right on my chest in a shoulder harness because it is heavy. It is a 50 cal Magnum S & W, 8 3/4 barrel, 5 shot.

I practice grabbing it our of it’s holster and aiming it. Sometimes I go ahead and shoot it but that is a real experience by itself and you must have ear protectors on.

I can usually grab it and aim it in 3-5 seconds. At night, I sleep with my hand on it. I’m a very light sleeper in the bush. But, in Alaska, it does not get very dark. That helps.


32 posted on 10/11/2016 5:33:22 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

LOL


33 posted on 10/11/2016 5:38:29 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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To: DesertRhino; All

“Actually, there are legions of people who have been badly mauled after using a handgun on a bear. Even some of the vaunted magnums.”

OK, give us a few examples. As you claim “legions”, it should not be too hard.


34 posted on 10/11/2016 5:39:26 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: DesertRhino

With all due respect Rhino, this looks pretty real life to me. So, I’m not following you on that point.

I’m in the Alaska Bush for weeks every summer for many years. I carry both spray and a 50 cal Magnum S & W. I do this because when a small brown bear comes nosing around, I usually just watch it. When I get tired of watching, I just yell at it and they have always run but one time. That one I sprayed and it just rolled and stumbled and hissed around on the ground and then ran off.

But, I have had Grizzlies around and common sense, at least to me, dictates I grab the 50 cal, not the spray.

I am going to take issue with you, respectfully, that you can find a lot of bear attacks where a “quality” revolver pistol “failed”. Maybe the operator froze or missed but I don’t think there are any “documentable” cases where the gun itself (am speaking of a quality revolver) failed.


35 posted on 10/11/2016 5:43:37 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: marktwain

my .44 mag taurus was purchased just for that occasion but i’m not in bear woods much these days. Got a nice holster made for it too.


36 posted on 10/11/2016 5:46:37 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (all your base are belong to us)
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To: marktwain

i have a video of a guy that is advertising bear calls. it’s called “they come to eat” he has some big bears come within a foot of him hiding behind a tree and sprays them effectively. but no sow on a mission.


37 posted on 10/11/2016 5:50:48 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (all your base are belong to us)
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To: umgud

That thing will break your arm.


38 posted on 10/11/2016 5:51:55 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Tijeras_Slim
"Still it's an improvement over Bear Roll-On."

Yeah, the handle has to be too long:


39 posted on 10/11/2016 5:57:49 PM PDT by PLMerite (Lord, let me die fighting lions. Amen.)
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To: wjcsux

I got mine as a gift. It’s never been fired after leaving the factory.


40 posted on 10/11/2016 5:58:10 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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