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An Obama pardon cannot protect Hillary Clinton from prosecution at the State level
The Coach's Team ^ | 11/21/16 | Russ Vaughn

Posted on 11/21/2016 8:59:37 AM PST by Oldpuppymax

The following article was published by the American Thinker on November 18th of this year. Should Barack Obama decide to pardon Hillary Clinton, it would only apply against federal investigation and prosecution. Interested parties would retain the right to indict and prosecute the former Secretary of State and investigate the goings on at the Clinton Foundation on the state level. Russ Vaughn explains in his article below.

Leslie Rutledge, Arkansas A.G.: Hillary's worst nightmare?

By Russ Vaughn

The blog for the Arkansas Times is reporting that our attorney general, Leslie Rutledge, is in New York meeting with Trump transition planners. Rutledge, a diminutive fireball conservative elected two years ago, is quoted:

"My interest is in helping the Trump administration," Rutledge told reporters as she arrived for meetings at Trump Tower in New York. "Whether that's continuing on as the attorney general of Arkansas or (working) in the administration, then my ears are open."

It's the first of those two options, "staying on in Arkansas," that sets my antennae tingling for the simple reason that Rutledge is one of two state attorneys general in the country who have undisputed standing to investigate the Clinton Foundation. The other state is New York, but their thoroughly politicized Democrat attorney general would never lift a hand against the Clintons, no matter how outrageous their corruption. Both A.G.s have standing by virtue of the physical location of Clinton Foundation offices within their borders.

Rutledge could do a great service for both her own considerable political ambitions and the Trump administration by accepting the Trump's Justice Department's help...

(Excerpt) Read more at thecoachsteam.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: arkansas; barackobama; clintonfoundation; comey; crookedhillary; emails; hillaryclinton; leslierutledge; lockherup; trumptransition
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1 posted on 11/21/2016 8:59:37 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax

Heh heh heh. Some follks are beginning to get it.


2 posted on 11/21/2016 9:06:49 AM PST by RKBA Democrat
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To: Oldpuppymax

BHO cannot pardon HRC because she was never charged, let alone convicted, of any crime. Secondly, were he to attempt to do so, it would be a de facto admission of guilt.


3 posted on 11/21/2016 9:09:31 AM PST by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/71/333#writing-USSC_CR_0071_0333_ZO

...The Constitution provides that the President “shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offences against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.”

The power thus conferred is unlimited, with the exception stated.

It extends to every [Federal] offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken or during their pendency or after conviction and judgment.

This power of the President is not subject to legislative control. Congress can neither limit the effect of his pardon nor exclude from its exercise any class of offenders...


4 posted on 11/21/2016 9:14:49 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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She still would have to be charged with a crime (offence) and she simply is not (yet).


5 posted on 11/21/2016 9:23:50 AM PST by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Why isn’t the link to the original source?


6 posted on 11/21/2016 9:25:09 AM PST by doug from upland (time to bring down the Clinton money laundering foundation)
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To: Oldpuppymax

HERE IS THE LINK TO THE ORIGINAL STORY

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/leslie_rutledge_arkansas_ag_hillarys_worst_nightmare.html


7 posted on 11/21/2016 9:30:21 AM PST by doug from upland (time to bring down the Clinton money laundering foundation)
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To: rjsimmon
No, she does not have to be charged.

Nixon wasn't charged. Jimmy Carter's draft dodgers mostly were not charged. Garland wasn't charged and neither were many former Confederates who received pardons/amnesties.

Thus, Ex Parte Garland notes that pardons "...may be exercised at any time after its [the crime's] commission, either before legal proceedings are taken..."

8 posted on 11/21/2016 9:36:27 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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From Wikipedia: “A presidential pardon may be granted at any time, however, and as when Ford pardoned Nixon, the pardoned person need not yet have been convicted or even formally charged with a crime.”


9 posted on 11/21/2016 9:37:03 AM PST by Poseidon
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To: Oldpuppymax

The titles assertion is incorrect. There are no restrictions on the presidential pardon.


10 posted on 11/21/2016 9:37:18 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Oldpuppymax

Or from extradition to Egypt.


11 posted on 11/21/2016 9:39:26 AM PST by MrEdd (MrEdd)
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To: jjotto

Correct. It would take a constitutional amendment to limit the power of the pardon.

Speaking of, I would support the limiting the pardon to those who have been convicted in a court of law, with the pardon naming the person and the conviction to be pardoned.


12 posted on 11/21/2016 9:39:37 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: jjotto

Egypt isn’t the United States.
Game, Set, and Match.


13 posted on 11/21/2016 9:40:47 AM PST by MrEdd (MrEdd)
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To: jjotto

The Confederates had taken part in a rebellion against the US, so yes, they did commit an offence. As to Nixon, he was expected to be impeached and chose resignation instead. But I believe Ford bastardized the power of the pardon. Draft dodgers had committed a crime and would have been charged upon return to the US.

As the pardon power goes now, I believe is not how it is written nor exercised. JMHO and thanks for the examples.


14 posted on 11/21/2016 9:44:30 AM PST by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: MrEdd

heh heh

An *unchallenged* SC decision in clear language isn’t good enough? Amazing!


15 posted on 11/21/2016 9:45:00 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: rjsimmon
BHO cannot pardon HRC because she was never charged, let alone convicted, of any crime.

Ford pardoned Nixon without any legal charges made against him.


16 posted on 11/21/2016 9:51:30 AM PST by kabar
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To: jjotto
Sorry. I didn't realize that you were an “English as a seventh language” student.

From your own post: “shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offences against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.”

Contary to what your weird professors seem to be teaching you, Egypt is another country.

17 posted on 11/21/2016 9:51:51 AM PST by MrEdd (MrEdd)
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If Hillary were to accept a pardon, she would be admitting guilt, as did those others who received pardons/amnesties.

Benton Becker negotiated the pardon deal with Nixon. Using the language of Burdick v. US, Nixon admitted legally to obstruction of justice. Becker describes how he gave Nixon a take-it-or-leave-it deal.

Leftist rage against Nixon was that he never groveled before the moral authority of the MSM. And Leftists conveniently do not cite Garland because it relies on original intent and common law.


18 posted on 11/21/2016 9:52:34 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Oldpuppymax

The author is wrong. The President’s power to pardon is absolute. Federal crimes, state crimes, even parking tickets.


19 posted on 11/21/2016 9:53:56 AM PST by tom h
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To: Oldpuppymax

Pardons should only apply to people convicted of or who pleaded guilty to a crime.

Open-ended pardons are oxymorons. Gerald Ford was a moron.


20 posted on 11/21/2016 9:54:24 AM PST by Carl Vehse
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