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We need to talk about polygamous refugee families, says Irish Muslim leader
iNews ^ | June 16, 2017 | Karl McDonald

Posted on 07/09/2017 5:33:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A Muslim religious leader in Ireland has called for a debate around the recognition of polygamous families after a court refused to recognise the second wife of a Lebanese refugee who has become a naturalised citizen. Dr Ali Selim of the Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland said families fleeing warzones are “disintegrating” because of laws in this country that don’t exist at home. “Now is not yesterday’s situation,” he told i. “People are forced to leave their country, where they used to live in accordance with the legislation of that country.” “This raises questions we have not faced before.”

The principle of equality Irish Supreme Court justices decided that recognising polygamous marriage would be contrary to the constitutional principle of equality. The Lebanese man, who married both women before arriving in Ireland, will have his first marriage recognised by the Irish state, but not the second, even though the second wife was the first to arrive in the country. There are children by both marriages. Some were accepted as asylum seekers in their own right and some were brought through family reunification rules. Polygamy is illegal in the UK and throughout Europe and pre-existing polygamous marriages are rarely given status, whether arriving through immigration channels or as refugees. This risks destroying family units that are already established, says Dr Selim. ‘Do we only recognise part of the family?’

“Family is the foundation of the whole society,” he says. “When we have a good family, we have a good society. So when a family is established in a certain way in accordance with the legislation of their country, and then they are forced to leave, what do we say? “Do we say that we only recognise part of that family, and deprive some of the children of their father, deprive a wife of her husband? “Or do we say that we need to have a legal debate about this situation?” It is estimated that there are around 20,000 polygamous families in the United Kingdom, although the British state does not recognise the marriages and has a policy of trying to stop polygamous households from forming. De facto recognition in Britain However, there is some de facto recognition of the unions when it comes to social welfare in the UK. Second wives are blocked from receiving benefits that might be owed to a single mother. Polygamy is permitted in Islam, with men allowed to marry up to four women as long as they spend equal time and money on each one. It is legal to varying degrees in more than 50 countries, the majority of them Muslim. Dr Selim stresses that his appeal is specifically about refugee families who were forced from their homes. He does not advocate any liberalisation of polygamy laws for others in Ireland. He adds that a European recommendation could help to clear up the situation in many countries which have accepted refugees.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Government; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: benefits; ireland; islam; marriage; muslims; polygamy; welfare
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Imagine all the welfare benefits they'll garner with four wives and dozens of children.
1 posted on 07/09/2017 5:33:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m boiling mad; benefits are set up for those in need, not those breeding like animals in heat. They don’t belong in Western countries and frankly I am fed up with how they can’t just go about their business, they keep starting up BS.


2 posted on 07/09/2017 5:40:14 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hate to say it but I think it’s only a matter of time. The language in the US Obergfell opinion is so broad as to justify polygamous or polyamorous marriage. I believe Scalia pointed that out forcefully in his dissent.


3 posted on 07/09/2017 5:41:59 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorry Abdullah, no harem for you.


4 posted on 07/09/2017 5:42:07 PM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: CorporateStepsister

Eventually, the Provos will take care of this.


5 posted on 07/09/2017 5:42:36 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (MAGA!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Social justice is designed to decimate western civilization.


6 posted on 07/09/2017 5:42:54 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My Irish ancestors are spinning in their graves over what Ireland is becoming.


7 posted on 07/09/2017 5:46:11 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Vacate the chair! Ryan must go.)
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To: Bigg Red

Ya don’t like our laws-—THEN LEAVE!

BTW—LEAVE ANYWAY!


8 posted on 07/09/2017 5:50:10 PM PDT by Flintlock (The ballot box STOLEN, our soapbox taken away--the BULLET BOX is left to us.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is how the muzzies breed armies of jihadists. The rich men get all the women; the poor men get to eat sh*t, die, and believe in 72 virgins in the afterlife.


9 posted on 07/09/2017 5:52:02 PM PDT by samtheman (The Germans -- having failed twice -- have finally hit on a way to destroy Europe.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve heard what happens in the US (Dearbornistan or Somali-sota) is the husband will claim his wives as extended family, pretend they are sisters or aunts, to eventually get them all on welfare.
We’re being had, big league. And we taxpayers are subsidizing the “charities” who bring these leeches to the country.


10 posted on 07/09/2017 5:58:11 PM PDT by GnuThere
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“We need to talk about being allowed to behead all you infidels, says Muslim leader in Ireland.”

Pretty much the next step after this.


11 posted on 07/09/2017 6:03:05 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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Oh, by the way, there is an error in the title. This guy isn’t an Irish Muslim leader. He is a muslim leader who happens to be invading Ireland.


12 posted on 07/09/2017 6:07:41 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Child rape, bestiality and murder for fun is legal in their home countries. I suppose they wish those “rights” too.


13 posted on 07/09/2017 6:10:26 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (Trump-2016)
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To: CorporateStepsister

Let’s talk about how we send them back in the next few days.


14 posted on 07/09/2017 6:10:45 PM PDT by Bonemaker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Another reason to take a country like Somalia (climate of California, population density of Kansas, 2000 miles of coastline astride one of the busiest trade routes in the world), move the UN there and let the globalists turn it into the multicultural paradise of their dreams rather than subverting every country in the western world.

If diversity and multiculturalism is so grand, then why not introduce it to one of the least diverse, broken and monocultural countries on the planet?

15 posted on 07/09/2017 6:15:48 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Kill them all.

Do it now.

L


16 posted on 07/09/2017 6:36:54 PM PDT by Lurker (America burned the witch.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, faith and begorrah! Where’s the I.R.A. when you really need them?


17 posted on 07/09/2017 6:55:32 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ireland's lost...she's been taking EU money and obeying EU laws too long.
18 posted on 07/09/2017 6:57:14 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Comey = The Swamp Fighting Back)
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To: Flintlock

I like your policy.

But I fear the land of my ancestors will be Third World dump before I die.


19 posted on 07/09/2017 7:02:06 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Vacate the chair! Ryan must go.)
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And BTW...this ruling by the Irish court will be overturned by the European courts.And the 9th Century knuckledragging moslem in question knows that.
20 posted on 07/09/2017 7:02:57 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Comey = The Swamp Fighting Back)
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