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Stalinís NKVD and Hitlerís Gestapo Cooperated Closely Even Before Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact
Eurasia - New Series ^ | Jan 12, 2019

Posted on 01/13/2019 1:57:56 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

Perhaps the only thing that outrages Russian defenders of Stalin more than the obvious parallels between his regime and Hitler’s is any reference to the alliance the two dictators formed in 1939 with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, one that opened the way to war in Europe and lasted until Hitler turned on his former ally in June 1941.

But now there may be something even more offensive to such defenders of Stalin and his system: the discovery of documents which confirm that the NKVD cooperated closely with the Gestapo well before the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was signed and that may have paved the way to its signature.

Dmitry Volchek of Radio Svoboda reports that documents recently released from the archives of the KGB offices in Ukraine show that “the NKVD handed over to the Gestapo refugees from Germany who had hoped to find in the USSR salvation from Hitler” (svoboda.org/a/29704294.html).

Beginning well before 1939 and continuing right up to the German invasion, the Soviet secret police sent “hundreds” of refugees to their imprisonment, torture and in many cases death at the hands of the Gestapo. At first, it involved mostly German citizens; but later, this “cooperation” expanded to include others as well.

German historian Wilhelm Mensing has set up a website, “The NKVD and the Gestapo” at nkwd-und-gestapo.de/ devoted to the fate of those who fled Hitler’s Germany only to be arrested in the USSR, sent to the GULAG or handed back to the Nazis. (Mensing is also the author among other books of Von der Ruhr in den GULAG (2001).)

The documents from Ukraine are especially important for two reasons: In East Germany, any reference to this practice was prohibited; and there are few documents about it in Stasi files, Mensing says; and in Russia, the secret police files that presumably do contain documents about it remain classified and thus inaccessible to researchers.

Volchek asked Mensing about similarities between the NKVD and the Gestapo. The German historian answered that they shared “the specific qualities of the secret police. The Gestapo exterminated the Jewish population in occupied countries: this was its unique feature.” On the other hand, “the number of victims of the NKVD was apparently larger.”

“The numbers varied, but the pitilessness was the same,” he continued. “Both the Gestapo and the NKVD were instruments in the hands of criminal rulers and despotic tyrants.”


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1 posted on 01/13/2019 1:57:56 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

New Germany/Russia same as old Germany/Russia.


2 posted on 01/13/2019 2:02:37 PM PST by rrrod (just an old guy with a gun in his pocket)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Evil attracting evil.


3 posted on 01/13/2019 2:11:57 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Interesting. Stalin aside being a clinical paranoid was obsessed with eliminating anyone in the Communist movement who had experience living and working outside the USSR. The killing of almost every Soviet officer who served in Spain during the Civil War is a good example. These men had real time experience in commanding military forces outside the control net of the Soviet Union so to Stalin they were doubly not to be trusted.

During the Great Purge most foreign Communist who had taken refuge in the USSR were either shot or disappeared into the GULAG. What was left were to be totally subservient Staliniods such as Walter Ulbricht who would be simply Stalin's loyal puppets. Hardly surprising that Stalin would get rid of some of these ‘unreliable’ elements in this fashion. I'm sure he got a chuckle out of it.

4 posted on 01/13/2019 2:13:59 PM PST by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Nazi Germany’s death camps were copied directly from the Soviet system of Gulags. “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” was a Russian fraud adopted by the Nazis to promulgate hatred of Jews. There are more than just parallels. There are direct links between the Nazis and the Soviets.


5 posted on 01/13/2019 2:21:13 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Beginning well before 1939 and continuing right up to the German invasion, the Soviet secret police sent “hundreds” of refugees to their imprisonment, torture and in many cases death at the hands of the Gestapo. At first, it involved mostly German citizens; but later, this “cooperation” expanded to include others as well.
Thanks CondoleezzaProtege.

6 posted on 01/13/2019 2:53:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Let’s not be too eager to believe everything we read. That part of the world has been a hotbed of lies, distortion, and misinformation. Remember the Protocols of The Elders of Zion?


7 posted on 01/13/2019 2:54:41 PM PST by nwrep
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To: robowombat
What you describe is what hard core Russian Communists called ‘cosmopolitanism''. The accusation of having lived among the ''bourgeois'' and having become ''infected'' with ''bourgeois ideals''.
8 posted on 01/13/2019 3:10:46 PM PST by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The Germans paid Lenin to overthrow the tsar and, later, the provisional government. Without German financial backing the bolsheviks were nothing


9 posted on 01/13/2019 3:18:41 PM PST by bravo whiskey (Never bring a liberal gun law to a gun fight.)
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To: nwrep
The NKVD were a particularly nasty crew of criminal gunthugs.

Read up on Vasily Blokhin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Blokhin

10 posted on 01/13/2019 3:31:30 PM PST by an amused spectator (Mitt Romney, Chuck Schumer's p*ssboy)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I believe they covered this in the documentary, ‘The Soviet Story’

I would provide a link but Youtube has scrubbed/censored it.


11 posted on 01/13/2019 3:32:56 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Cocked, locked and ready to ROCK!)
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To: jmacusa
I think Artur London in his book ‘The Confession’ notes that he was doubly damned being both a Jew and having spent a long time outside the Soviet Block. He even was in France for the entire period 1939 to 1945 and was a member of the Resistance. He also married a French woman. It is amazing he survived. His book is very interesting . Incredibly the film made by the near communist Costa-Garvas in 1970 is true to the book and the most extended cinema treatment of communist interrogation methods and what a ‘purge’ trial really looked like.

I suppose because these were all Czechs involved London didn't have the hell beaten out of him as the Russians were very fond of doing. The Czech methods were less violent but no less sadistic.

12 posted on 01/13/2019 3:49:46 PM PST by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The Freikorps were working with Russia in the 20’s IIRC.


13 posted on 01/13/2019 4:18:53 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Stalin did not want a strong German Communist Party. He knew if the Communists took over Germany, they would inevitably rival Moscow for leadership in the world Communist movement. So Stalin was more than happy to let Hitler eliminate the KPD.


14 posted on 01/13/2019 4:20:28 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Judge Roland Freisler, who headed the Nazi “People’s Court”, started out as a Bolshevik, who got inspiration from Stalin’s 1930s show trials.


15 posted on 01/13/2019 4:22:05 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Also I find it curious that Stalin, basically let Hitler waltz into the parts of the Soviet Union, where the majority of their Jews lived.

It’s as if he knew Hitler would take care of his own “Jewish Problem” for him.


16 posted on 01/13/2019 4:23:27 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: robowombat
All most of of the two million Russians prisoners left alive at the end of the war were outcasts in Russian society because they had surrendered so hundreds of thousands of them went from German concentration camps straight to Soviet gulags because among other things or more specifically they had been to the ‘’lair of the fascist beasts’’ They had been exposed to ‘’cosmopolitanism’’. The truth was anyone with eyes, once they were outside “The Workers Paradise’’ could see how much they had been lied to. How much better the standard of living was in the capitalist West as opposed to life in The Soviet Union.

I remember reading Viktor Blenenko’s “MiG Pilot’’ and how he talked about as a child in his rural Russian village there were Russian war vets, who had returned as former POWs and were ostracized from the village because they had ‘’betrayed the Motherland’’. The poor souls were forced to fend for themselves. They were referred to as ‘’the men of the forest’’.

17 posted on 01/13/2019 5:09:44 PM PST by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: robowombat

Stalin also looked upon anyone from Leningrad with contempt.

The Leningrad Affair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leningrad_affair


18 posted on 01/13/2019 5:13:40 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: bravo whiskey

A lot of finance for the Bolsheviks also came from certain quaters of Wall Street.

In fact, Trotsky lived in the Bronx while editing Novy Mir, a newspaper there, and Trotsky’s kids went to the local public schools.

Trotsky’s real name was Lev David Lev Bronshtein.


19 posted on 01/13/2019 5:45:37 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Lev David Bronshtein, rather. Sorry.


20 posted on 01/13/2019 5:46:17 PM PST by gaijin
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