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Military Photo: Commemorating Operation Market Garden
Strategy Page ^ | 19 Sep 2019 | Anonymous

Posted on 09/19/2019 9:50:52 AM PDT by Rummyfan

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To: oldvirginian

The scene with the Russian General after the war ....

“Ok, I’ll drink with him, one sonofabitch to another.”


41 posted on 09/19/2019 2:33:58 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Rummyfan

Bttt.

5.56mm


42 posted on 09/19/2019 2:40:28 PM PDT by M Kehoe (DRAIN THE SWAMP! BUILD THE WALL!)
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“Between Monty, Patton and DeGaulle, I don’t know how Ike didn’t wind up going nuts.”

Ike did comment that one commander gave him more headaches than the Germans. It just depended on which day as to which commander it was.

Ike and Bradley were notorious for picking Pattons brain when planning then presenting his ideas as theirs.
Bradley even commented to Ike that they should feel bad about their treatment of Patton. Ike replied that Patton was such a friend he wouldn’t mind.


43 posted on 09/19/2019 2:41:45 PM PDT by oldvirginian (Winning isn't everything, it's the ONLY thing. TRUMP 2020!!)
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Montgomery was shot through the body by a German sniper during WWI. He was not expected to live but after a year was well enough to rejoin his outfit.

Most would have not done so. He had a lot of character. My Father was a combat veteran of WWII and really like Montgomery.


44 posted on 09/19/2019 3:00:03 PM PDT by yarddog ( For I am persuaded.)
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After the disaster at Gallipoli, Churchill resigned and joined the Royal Scots Fusiliers...

http://scottishmilitarydisasters.com/index.php/titles-sp-26803/66-churchill-in-the-trenches


45 posted on 09/19/2019 3:05:27 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Ike’s strength. He could manage them, along with Churchill to meet the objective assigned to him.


46 posted on 09/19/2019 3:12:57 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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What an amazing job he did, and those skills served him well as President, next to Reagan my favorite President. (Trump still has the potential, but I’ll wait until his second term is over before I pronounce him the best ever)


47 posted on 09/19/2019 3:14:25 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Patton was sure the operation would fail. It featured a very long supply line and many risks of enemy exposure.


48 posted on 09/19/2019 3:16:17 PM PDT by GingisK
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Ike save Patton’s ass after the slapping incident. Once it hit the press, the call for Patton’s firing were loud and intense across the United States.Marshal told Ike it was his problem to solve. Ike could have sent him to the States. But Ike decide Patton was to valuable to lose.


49 posted on 09/19/2019 3:18:45 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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Lots of folks say Ike wasn’t a good general. But his ability to manage the panoply of characters he had to deal was amazing. Maybe Marshal might have been able to do it but none of the other Generals in Europe could have pulled it off.


50 posted on 09/19/2019 3:34:46 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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Lots of folks say Ike wasn’t a good general.

Lots of folks are idiots.

51 posted on 09/19/2019 3:38:00 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Ike was not a skilled general.

I did like one thing about him tho. He admired Robert E. Lee.


52 posted on 09/19/2019 3:42:03 PM PDT by yarddog ( For I am persuaded.)
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To: dfwgator

Have to agree.


53 posted on 09/19/2019 4:10:11 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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“Ok, I’ll drink with him, one sonofabitch to another.”

Classic Patton. :)

His wife was a real pistol herself.
After competing in the Pentathlon in the 1912 Olympics Patton and his wife stayed in Europe for a couple of weeks to visit people.
At the end of their stay Mrs Patton began packing while George went to visit one last friend. When he returned he was carrying a sword he had badly wanted. He told his wife to put it in the large trunk on the bottom of the pile. She grabbed the sword and chased him around the room ending up with him perched atop the trunks yelling “calm down down Bea, I’ll pack the damned thing myself!”

Another occasion they were attending a formal military ball. George took his wife’s coat to the coat room and returned to find her astraddle an officer his hair firmly in her hands as she mercilessly pounded the mans head against the floor.
People learned real quick not to say detrimental things about George while Beatrice was in ear shot.

They were made for each other.


54 posted on 09/19/2019 4:22:11 PM PDT by oldvirginian (Winning isn't everything, it's the ONLY thing. TRUMP 2020!!)
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One observer stated that Montgomery had the snootiness of the worst European aristocrat, an ego larger than Pattons, the prickly personality of de Gaulle and the inability to understand why no one liked him.

That's one heckuva combination.

55 posted on 09/19/2019 4:58:05 PM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel.)
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The slapping incident had been taken care of long before it hit the press. Patton himself reported it to his superiors. Ike contacted Marshall and they decided to take care of it administratively.

One of the slapped soldiers was absent from his unit without permission. The other was known to be a slacker and malingerer.

A reporter in D.C. was reportedly pissed at the Roosevelt administration for dumping one of his friends who was a communist sympathizer and closet homosexual. To cause a ruckus this reporter set about leaking the incidents. The politicians couldn’t help themselves, they rushed to condemn Patton.

The father of pvt Bennett, one of the slapped men, stated that it was in the record and the army should let Patton get back to winning the war.

Walter Bedell Smith, Ike’s CoS, once told Eisenhower “Ike, get over yourself. You didn’t make Georgie Patton. Georgie Patton made YOU.”


56 posted on 09/19/2019 6:07:48 PM PDT by oldvirginian (Winning isn't everything, it's the ONLY thing. TRUMP 2020!!)
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That doesn’t sound like Bedell Smith. He and Patton literally hated each other.

Patton left orders that Bedell Smith not attend his funeral.


57 posted on 09/19/2019 6:25:04 PM PDT by yarddog ( For I am persuaded.)
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Montgomerys problem was that he took himself much too seriously.
If the Germans had been able to resupply Rommel in North Africa he would have kicked Monty’s butt and kept it kicked.
Due to German supply problems Monty was able to wear the Afrika Corp down to nothing.
Any time Montgomery met resistance he slowed down. Half of the German army was able to escape through the Falaise gap because Monty drug his feet.

Montgomery had a poor attitude towards American troops throughout the war.


58 posted on 09/19/2019 6:27:24 PM PDT by oldvirginian (Winning isn't everything, it's the ONLY thing. TRUMP 2020!!)
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“That’s one heckuva combination.”

Ain’t it though!


59 posted on 09/19/2019 6:28:39 PM PDT by oldvirginian (Winning isn't everything, it's the ONLY thing. TRUMP 2020!!)
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“That doesn’t sound like Bedell Smith. He and Patton literally hated each other.”

There was not one iota of love lost between them.
Even worse than the Patton/Montgomery lovefest.

From what I read Ike had been particularly bad about discounting the commanders under him, even to the point of being dismissive of his own staff.
I believe that it happened after Pattons death and funeral.
Bedell Smith had just had enough of Ike for a while and needed to shut him up most likely.


60 posted on 09/19/2019 6:36:30 PM PDT by oldvirginian (Winning isn't everything, it's the ONLY thing. TRUMP 2020!!)
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