Skip to comments.Biden’s 2016 Call With Ex-Ukraine President Poroshenko Is Leaked – It Could Invoke The Logan Act
Posted on 09/16/2020 7:07:53 AM PDT by USA Conservative
Last year Joe Biden bragged about how he coerced Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor Victor Shokin by threatening that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees from them.
While this type of interference in a foreign government by the then-Vice President of the United States is highly inappropriate in itself, what makes it even worse is that the prosecutor he got fired was probing a firm for which his son Hunter Biden worked.
A phone call between Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko was leaked on Sept. 15 showing the two former leaders discussing what he could and couldnt tell the incoming Trump administration, with Biden telling the foreign leader that he wants to stay deeply engaged in their diplomatic work as a private citizen.
The New York Post leaked the conversation between ex-Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko and vice-President Biden:
At the end of the conversation, while speaking to the then-vice president, Poroshenko could be heard saying that Biden played an enormous role in bringing peace to my country, and actually save my country. This is my real feeling.
Biden thanked Poroshenko for his kind words before divulging some of his plans for after he left the White House.
Well, youre awfully generous. I dont plan on going away. As a private citizen, I plan on staying deeply engaged in the endeavor that you have begun and we have begun.
At least thats my objective, thats my objective. But if I go beforehand, Im worried that they dont know enough, they will think Im trying to game them. They will think I am trying to put them in a corner. They will question my motives in going before they are fully briefed. And Im sure you understand that, youre a good negotiator, Biden said toward the end of the leaked conversation.
If you heard the last part of the conversation where Joe Biden says that he will work as a private citizen with another government official.
Maybe its time that we invoke the Logan Act.
Even do the Logan Act is a terrible law, and it has never been invoked for a good reason. It was passed in 1799, during a small undeclared naval war, when a Philadelphia Quaker named George Logan attempted to independently negotiate peace between the United States and France. His efforts undermined the political goals of the ruling Federalist Party, and so the law was enacted as a tool to punish anyone else who attempted to follow in Logans footsteps.
All which is to say: The very purpose of the Logan Act is to punish political speech that runs counter to the sitting presidents foreign policy goals. Every invocation of the law has been to threaten somebody from an opposing political party for getting involved in foreign policy in a way that displeases whoever has control of the White House. The fact that nobody has actually ever been prosecuted for violating the Logan Actwhich would create an opportunity to challenge whether the law itself violates the First Amendmentshould be seen as a big red flag whenever its mentioned.
But Bidens action could prove to be enough to invoke the Logan Act: The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized American citizens with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. The intent behind the Act is to prevent unauthorized negotiations from undermining the governments position.
Funny how a fat Lt Col there didn’t feel the need to become a whistle blower on this phone call.
>>This time we really have enough evidence to invoke the Logan act!<<
Too bad no one will.
Mark my sad words.
Saying what he wants to do and showing what he did do are different things. From the article this makes Biden look good
No one has ever been prosecuted using the Logan Act.
It should either be used or repealed.
The only Logan Act indictment occurred in 1803. It involved a Kentucky newspaper article that argued for the formation in the western United States of a separate nation allied to France. No prosecution followed.
If this isn’t reported by the MSM, it didn’t happen.
Now is the time to pull out the big guns in a ad campaign showing Biden convicting Biden.
This and the release of the Biden Pedo photos, I guess today we take care of the family business.
Blah blah blah. More hot air about something that will NEVER happen.
These tapes have been on NABULeaks on Youtube for months.
Looks like this is a new set though, released just 5 hours ago.
Poroshenko could be heard sucking up bigtime----praising Biden, saying the VP "played an
enormous role in bringing peace, and actually saving my country. This is my real feeling.
Biden thanked Poroshenko for his kind words, then divulged some of his plans after his gig in the White House was terminated.
The sucking-up continued: Well, youre awfully generous. I dont plan on going away. As a private citizen, I plan on staying deeply engaged in the endeavor in the Ukraine that you have begun and we have begun. At least thats my objective, thats my objective. But if I go beforehand, Im worried that they dont know enough, they will think Im trying to game them. They will think I am trying to put them in a corner. They will question my motives in going before they are fully briefed."
The LOGAN ACT will never be the basis for anything. Stop trying to make it happen. The LOGAN ACT will never happen.
The purpose of the Logan Act is to punish political speech that runs counter to the sitting presidents foreign policy goals. Every previous invocation of the law has been to threaten somebody from an opposing political party for getting involved in foreign policy in a way that displeases whoever has control of the White House.
The Logan Act can not be considered for use against a democrat. That’s just the way it is.
This seems like the closest thing to A BOOM that we will ever hear or see.
This is dirty as hell!!! WTF!
Nah, go for the whole enchilada- treason. He says he will work against the duly elected President.
One call from Biden is Feb 27 2017, with security staff introducing him.
He’s a private citizen then.
His guilt, sadly, is irrelevant. Theres the little issue of the deepstate. The one the GOP has left to fester and grow for decades. Its too big to fail now. Apparently, the punishment parameters for democrats and deepstaters is a public slap on the wrist, followed up with an apology and beg of forgiveness. With the exception of the coup lawyer who was sacrificed to appease justice seekers. Hell be suffering in a cushy pen for a few months, and then be released to enjoy his fat bank account.
Biden bragged about how he coerced Ukraine into firing its top prosecutor Victor Shokin by threatening that the Obama administration would pull $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees from them
Its funny how these so called professional politicians show absolutely NO common sense about whats appropriate to do and say. Whats worse, they also have no idea that saying and doing some things OPENLY, is not only inappropriate but breaks established and long-standing laws!
How does Joe call himself a Presidential candidate if he doesnt comprehend basic protocol and regulations about how he must conduct himself?
Its obvious that Biden had as little control over himself THEN as he does now
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