Posted on 11/08/2020 9:30:08 AM PST by EyesOfTX
The media rushes to interview the Bushes and Kasichs and Romneys as if they were the Voice of the GOP, but they are rapidly on their way out.
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I wouldn’t count on that. The Old Guard still has an iron grip on the party. Watch what happens to many newly elected reps when they come to town. The party apparatus works tirelessly to flip them and it generally works. Money talks.
So you think 70 million voters are powerless?
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Then power comes from the few, not the many. Its just how the party works and its why we need a new one. We must start anew where millions of votes will matter instead of those with millions of dollars.
Read that last sentence again please.
If he only kept the name "Republican", there'd be no need to "start a new party", all he'd have to do is encourage our more "moderate" members to swing more conservative, or leave.
But the "or leave" part is the problem, since there is no untapped reservoir of conservative voters left, any major "or leaves" would simply add to Democrat majorities.
Trump's 2016 win included a lot of voters who'd only previously thought of themselves as Democrats, including a good number of Bernie-Bros who liked Trump's "put America first".
But they were in no way suddenly conservatives.
Bottom line: a new conservative party does nothing except guarantee Democrat majorities.
It won't work.
Besides, in every Trump rally, even those in the South, Trump announced that Republicans are the party of Lincoln.
I see Trump shaking up & restoring our party to its Lincoln roots, but, barring something unforeseen, not trying to destroy it.
Fraud....is too superficial
What we are witnessing is the organized effort of the Democrat Party to violate the Civil Rights of millions of American’s by disenfranchising them of their vote.
The process by which they are attempting to accomplish this is with Election Fraud and Voter Fraud
We obviously disagree and that’s due largely to the fact that you have a lot more optimism about the GOP than I do. Not long ago Trump expressed frustration with the GOP on several occasions. Those were not idle comments and they exhibit a deep seated level of frustration.
As I’ve posted many times before my distrust of the GOP is based on people close to me who have worked inside the party organs. They saw the sausage being made and who manages the factory. Its an ugly process which to this day has not changed. Trust me, money talks.
I have no personal knowledge of "sausage being made" in either party, or any other political party.
What I know for certain is that the Republican party under leadership of people like Ronald Reagan or Donald Trump is a vast, vast improvement over Democrats under their best leadership -- Bill & Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, etc.
And I'm totally in favor of third parties -- for Leftists!
Let them split apart into as many parties as they like, the more the better.
But Republicans just have to stick together, not just for our own sake, but for the country and with it the world.
You know, if you think about it, there are far fewer differences separating one Republican voter from another than there are amongst the various Democrat constituencies.
That remains true regardless of how ugly or nasty "sausage making" can get.
I have two questions for you and please rest assured that I’m not trying to play gotcha games or attack you in any way. I’m just trying to dig a little deeper into the third party issue with you.
First, could you answer my previous question: “Assuming you’re a Republican would you remain in the GOP if Trump started a new conservative party?” The reason I ask is that mass migration to a new party would not really change the two party system because the GOP would (in my view) quickly become gutted and extinct. It would be replaced by an energized new party with a real vision instead of one that serves selfish interests. If I’m right would you go with Trump as I assume millions of other conservatives would do?
Second, how many Republicans in the congress (HoR) signed the recent letter to AG Barr asking “What are you doing to ensure the integrity of the voting and counting process right now?” The letter also asked Barr to use “all the resources” at his disposal to ensure only legal votes are being counted “in a fully transparent manner.” In view of the imminent and existential threat to our republic this was one one the most profoundly important letters in recent history. Do you know many Republicans signed it? I’ll be happy to provide the telling answer if you’d like.
My inside knowledge of the sausage making doesn’t make me necessarily right but it does make me a lot more informed than most people who continually support a party that has repeatedly failed them on very crucial matters.
Like many others I only vote for the GOP because the alternative is worse. Imagine how great it would be to have trust and confidence in a party that fights for its base. If a new party were to offer that kind of promise and dedication who wouldn’t want to join it?
First of all, there already are several alternate conservative parties — Conservatives, Constitutionalists & Libertarians come to mind, and there may well be others.
But why ever would Trump leave Republicans for one of these?
Why not simply reinvigorate Republicans?
Second, I’ll repeat, a major conservative third party would only guarantee permanent Democrat majorities.
Who ever would do that?
So a Trump lead conservative party necessarily presupposes Republicans have already collapsed as a major party, and I don’t see that happening, period.
Finally, I suspect I know what’s really going on here, assuming you guys are even halfway legit.
Your basic problem is you’re old-time Southern Democrats and you just hate, hate, hate the very idea of Lincoln’s Republicans being your only viable political choice.
You’ve been chaffing at the bit for decades now and are looking, searching for some excuse, any excuse, to throw it off.
Sorry, but you won’t find any sympathy for that from me.
Sorry, but you won’t find any sympathy for that from me.
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I wasn’t asking for any sympathy, just an answer to two simple questions.
Since you refuse to do that, and have basically resorted to name calling, there’s no point in attempting to have a rational discussion with you.
Have a nice day.
Your first question is hypothetical nonsense.
Your second question also presupposes something not in evidence.
Your first question is hypothetical nonsense.
Your second question also presupposes something not in evidence.
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You’re clearly afraid to answer them as it would reveal a severe case of cognitive dissonance.
Nonsense, but you are clearly afraid of sane thought because it would disrupt your favorite fantasies.
Right back to name calling again. I knew that you would.
So you think “cognitive dissonance” is less name-calling than “favorite fantasies.”?
You’ve contributed nothing here, FRiend.
No, cognitive dissonance is merely a condition describing inconsistent thought processes. Its an attempt to tune out facts and logic that might conflict with one’s view.
Fantasies on the other hand imply delusions, a far more serious condition. And how convenient that you dropped your reference to saying I was “clearly afraid of sane thought” which is ad hominem in the extreme.
FRiend, you are here trafficking in fantasies about President Trump spinning off to a third party, hypothesizing how many Republicans might follow him and demanding I address your fantasy seriously.
Those are facts, not name-calling.
Sorry if the facts offend you.
Sorry if the facts offend you.
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I’m not offended. I’m amazed at your resistance to them.
I know Democrats who are more open minded than you sir.
Recall that I asked you about a very important and very specific fact (i.e., how many Republicans signed the letter to Barr?). That fact directly relates to the key issue that is dominating the country at this moment (election fraud and the fate of president Trump himself).
You did not have an answer or produce a single fact. You declined to respond. Now I know why.
Your fantasy is Trump starts a third party.
To promote it you demand I answer a question you apparently already know — so why not just present your facts, it you think they matter.
You clearly suppose the number of signatures on a letter will support your case for Republican party suicide.
I disagree.
This election is not over yet.
It’s Trump’s GOP now, the RINOs can GTFO!
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