Posted on 04/27/2021 11:27:06 AM PDT by Impala64ssa
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Total waste of cash except to those who will be coming out large in the ensuing graft.
As far back as I can remember the CBE always looked like it was hit by a mortar attack. It’s why truckers driving between New England and the rest of the US use the Mario Cuo..OOPS I mean the new TAPPAN ZEE or the Newburgh Beacon Bridge (I 84). More miles, but lower tolls and a lot less aggravation.
“The Cross Bronx Expressway” is part of I-95.”
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As is the Trans-Manhattan Expressway (.8 miles long).
This seems like a good idea. It will stich the neighborhood back together and turn an ugly place prettier. Some of the urban decay could gentrify as a result, although I don’t have much hope for the City of New York.
“I drove on the cross bronx expressway once. Once.
“There were two foot deep potholes every few hundred yards, big enough to KILL a normal passenger car. There could easily have been motorcyclist carcasses in them.
“New York City and suburbs are a shit hole country. I turn down jobs in Connecticut and on Long Island because I simply won’t drive through NYC. ($20 for a bridge toll? Nope.)”
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Tell us how you really feel, why don’t ya?
Sheesh!
Both of those are perfect examples of how each segment of a roadway needs to keep up with the other segments. They're also both perfect examples of how the Northeast in particular isn't going to benefit from any infrastructure upgrades because the roadway segments are so far out of date. No one is going to bulldoze the large swaths of land needed to bring those roadways up to 1960s standards, much less 2030s standards.
There are no shoulders on the George Washington Bridge nor the Cross-Bronx Expressway / I-95. The volume and flows of traffic require three separate parallel roadways with two sections flowing into Manhattan in the morning and switched in the afternoon so that two flow back out of Manhattan. They need full shoulders, break down lanes, and emergency vehicle lanes.
In addition to the three "local" sections, I-95 also needs completely separate lanes for through-traffic along the I-95 corridor from Maine to Florida. I-95 needs to bypass Manhattan completely with a loop running through the George Washington Bridge / Cross Bronx Expressway segment.
The Bronx is a dump that is too high above sea level and outside of tornado alley so it never gets a chance to flush.
“Tell us how you really feel, why don’t ya?
Sheesh!”
He says as he tells us how he really feels.
Guessing he is a shitholer.
For many, many decades we made the trip to CT upp the east coast, across GW to 87, and up 87 to 84 into CT...
Stopped that when we got too old to put up with all the traffic, tolls, and hassles...
For the past 25 years we take the route to Baltimore, up 83 to Harrisburg, up 81 to Scranton, and then all the way across 84 into CT...
An hour longer, but wonderful driving conditions and only one 1$ toll...
The wife likes it because of the two casinos in PA ... We hit one going up (Mohegan Sun Wilkes-Barre) ... The other coming back home (Penn National-Hollywood Casino Grantville)...
Sort of a 3.5 hour rest stop... I snooze in the car while the old lady gambles...
I view it as paying abut 300 to 400 hundred for “happy tolls” instead of 100 for those MD, DE, NJ, & NY “communist” tolls...
Also, arrive home relatively refreshed...
They should ‘Cap’ New York City In it’s entirety.
The Cross Bronx is one of the only roads that seem grid locked 24/7.
What was your first clue?
Yes, the Cross Bronx Expressway’s inherent traffic problems will not be solved at all by capping it, no matter what it is that capping it might otherwise do.
I have a more massive idea.
The Cross Bronx Expressway hosts two kinds of traffic.
It hosts a ton of Interstate traffic in both directions between northern New Jersey and Connecticut, a lot of which would just as soon avoid the Bronx altogether if it could. It hosts local traffic in the Bronx and between the Bronx and Manhattan and Queens. They would just as soon wish the long haul freight trucks had somewhere else to go.
My solution would be very expensive but I think toll fees could pay for the bonds used to borrow the money to build.
It would be a “Bronx Bypass Tunnel” between northern New Jersey and the eastern end of the Bronx.
Its entrances would be one:
One entrance/exit would be collecting I-95 traffic (and local traffic) adjacent to the I-95 section near Leonia. East bound traffic seeking to bypass the Bronx could enter there, and existing there would be mostly Interstate traffic that started east of the Bronx (like from Connecticut and New England).
The other entrance would be in the Pelham Bay area of the eastern end of the Bronx. That entrance would be near I-95 connections there, so it would collect Interstate traffic bypassing the Bronx heading west, and exiting the I-95 eastbound traffic that came out of New Jersey.
The current highway could become more of a local boulevard, and no more I-95, with most all truly Interstate traffic not needing it.
Yes, including entrance and exit local road surfaces the total distance would be about 17 miles, with probably 90% of that (about 15 miles) underground.
Yes it would mean a steep tunnel on the New Jersey side so that the tunnel would cross UNDER the Hudson River (as do the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels), and then tunneling uo under the Bronx to an exit in Pelham Bay area.
The Chunnel which is about twice the distance was built for 21 billion$.
I imagine the Bronx Bypass tunnel might cost as much in todays dollars.
But it would permanently solve the Cross Bronx traffic bottleneck problems and NYC could still go ahead and cap parts of the new local “Cross Bronx Boulevard”, and even improve the local exists and entrances from it.
But, hey, I am not the benevolent dictator (yet) so I guess it will never happen.
There was a plan proposed in the late 1940’s along those lines, running an expressway across the northern Bronx, from near where Co op City is to Riverdale, somewhat parallel to 233 St. That area wasn’t built up yet but building a bridge from that part of the Bronx would’ve been totally unfeasible because of the Palisades on the NJ side
Yes. I read about that plan.
I dreamed up the tunnel to (1) by pass the Bronx as much as possible, and (2) a tunnel need not have entrances and exits besides the terminal points, but even a raised highway could. The tunnel reinforces the idea that the main use of the tunnel is skip the Bronx, not get off anywhere in it. Long term wise there is less total ongoing maintenance with a tunnel, with weather providing a cause for more maintenance with bridges and uncovered highways.
My megalomaniac mind would also replace La Guardia completely, with a new airport also in the Pelham Bay area. No more Westchester county and Connecticut air travelers having to use the Whitestone bridge to get into Queens for flights from JFK or the current La Guardia.
Not everybody in NJ chooses to live in its armpit.
Is one guy being told something he doesn’t know? Asking for a friend...
One guy is certainly being an asshole.
Yeah. But that other guy...no walk in the park either. Good thing we both are neither.
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