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IQ Determinism (long, but worth your time and attention)
The Orthosphere ^ | JANUARY 17, 2022 | RICHARD COCKS

Posted on 01/17/2022 8:32:12 PM PST by Noumenon

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To: Chad C. Mulligan
...High IQ succeeds despite lack of formal education, low IQ fails no matter where they went to school, for how long, what degrees they acquired, or who boosted their careers...

The other great truth is that the low IQ people do not recognize that they are low IQ, while both the medium and high IQ ones do recognize this.

This effect is why affirmative action, or calls for "equity" are so poisonous. An organization becomes top heavy with low-performance people.

21 posted on 01/17/2022 10:22:56 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: devere

No argument with what you say. But I believe that Mr. Cocks is correct in that IQ is the foundation for success. Absent the ability to grasp and make use of abstract concepts, success is elusive in an increasingly technology-based society.


22 posted on 01/17/2022 10:37:55 PM PST by Noumenon (Black American flag time. KTF)
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To: Noumenon

The differences in IQ among the races pretty much reflect everything we see in the real world in terms of success in life.

It is my strong conviction that two groups of people who have significantly different IQ’s AND whose members are easily identified as belonging to one or the other group, will never be able to peacefully coexist together.

It’s a logically inescapable conclusion.


23 posted on 01/17/2022 10:38:27 PM PST by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: Noumenon

Hen I was young I read the Book of Knowledge, cover to cover. Tried to do everything they suggested experiment wise etc. Went to the library checked out all the books. When I was in the third grade I had read all the 6th grade books. I did all of this because I wanted to. Not because anyone encouraged me to. When I was in high school they tested my IQ and it was very high. I attributed to reading all those books when I was young.


24 posted on 01/17/2022 10:40:17 PM PST by tinamina
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To: aquila48
It’s a logically inescapable conclusion.

Yes, it is. With all that entails. It's playing out before us, isn't it?

25 posted on 01/17/2022 10:44:45 PM PST by Noumenon (Black American flag time. KTF)
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To: tinamina

I was fortunate to grow up in a house full of books and with highly literate parents. My innate curiosity drove me to read almost everything I could get my hands on.


26 posted on 01/17/2022 10:46:21 PM PST by Noumenon (Black American flag time. KTF)
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To: Noumenon

I have seen no particular correlation between intelligence and business success, nor between intelligence and happiness. So, for me, IQ is simply a trait like eye color.

In fact, a high IQ may even be a handicap.


27 posted on 01/17/2022 11:01:50 PM PST by The Duke (Search for 'Sydney Ducks' and understand what is needed.)
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To: Chuckster

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28 posted on 01/17/2022 11:11:27 PM PST by PatrioticRose (It’s not so much fun when the rabbit’s got the gun.)
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To: The Duke

I agree with you in part. High IQ can be a social handicap. But it does come in handy on many jobs.


29 posted on 01/17/2022 11:12:54 PM PST by devere
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To: Noumenon
NOTE: The article displays atrocious orthography! Specifically, the underuse of commas makes reading it a chore!

The professions that put the highest premium on IQ are the best paid and most prestigious.

Really?! Those low-IQ basketball players and football players with million-dollar contracts aren't members of the "best-paid" and "most-prestigious" professions?! Because being a sports star in modern America certainly doesn't place a high premium on IQ!

In a primitive tribal system, the smarter hunter gatherer might get an extra wife or two and a bit more food, but that is about it.

By getting an extra wife or two, he is doubling or tripling his reproductive success - which is really the only form of success that ultimately matters.

In actual fact, a very successful hunter might become chief of his tribe, and thus be entitled to a harem of several concubines. (Under natural conditions, the "Pareto Rule" which the author of this article frequently references applies also to reproduction.)

Thomas Sowell, in one of his books, rejects the notion that CEOs are overpaid. If the company is worth several billion dollars, then good and bad business decisions can have consequences worth millions or billions. In that case, it is worth paying a highly capable executive hundreds of millions of dollars given what is at stake. Trying to save money by paying the CEO less could easily be a false economy, costing the company far more in the big scheme of things.

Misdirection! The most-important criterion is paying the CEO a remuneration commensurate with his performance!

Unfortunately, the process of calculating his performance requires determining what would have happened if he had made other decisions (i.e., requires considering "alternate-world realities"). It is most decidedly NOT enough to "reward success" - because that success might, in fact, be attributable to factors in which the CEO played absolutely no role. The act of calculating the CEO's performance is thus equivalent to the CEO's performance, itself (= infinite regression). In other words: Only someone as smart and as diligent and as hard-working as the CEO himself is capable of determining if the CEO has delivered good work (i.e., is capable of determining if the company's overall success is attributable, not to "blind luck," but indeed to decisions which the CEO himself has made). The old "agent/principal" problem rears its ugly head yet again!

Regards,

30 posted on 01/17/2022 11:18:49 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: The Duke
there was a study sometime back talking about OTHER factors to success...and yes, looks and HEIGHT were all indicators...

and TESTOSTERONE....however with testosterone, there were two different paths...the path to success in athletics, business, etc...OR the path to a lifetime of criminality and violence...

IQ is a factor but not the only factor..

31 posted on 01/17/2022 11:19:09 PM PST by cherry
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To: Noumenon
Absent the ability to grasp and make use of abstract concepts, success is elusive in an increasingly technology-based society.

In this context, I would also classify a society of primitive hunter-gatherers as "technology-based."

Obtaining the materials necessary to fashion, e.g., flint implements and then actually doing the work of fashioning them - and then also organizing a hunting party and successfully hunting down the prey, dividing the spoils, "putting up" left-overs for later consumption, etc. - are all complex tasks requiring plenty of brain power.

Regards,

32 posted on 01/17/2022 11:22:44 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek; Noumenon
Sorry! Typo:

The act of calculating the CEO's performance is thus equivalent to the CEO's performance, itself (= infinite regression recursion) [...]

Regards,

33 posted on 01/17/2022 11:26:12 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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i’ve repeatedly noted that very intelligent parents tend to sire intelligent offspring ...

Yes, but one should not underestimate the impact of "regression to the mean" (cited above).

Two genius-level parents will have children whose intelligence is shifted slightly to the right on the bell curve. The chances of any single child also being a genius is maybe only twice that of a child selected at random from the general population (i.e.: the chance shifts from "very low" to only "low").

It is vital that high-I.Q. parents bear this fact in mind.

Regards,

34 posted on 01/17/2022 11:30:17 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Noumenon

The laws of Nature cause variations in mental aptitude. The Neo-racists who push Cultural Marxism want to undo the outcomes of natural selection based on natural ability with the doctrine of equity: equal outcome. With equal outcome comes the Marxist order of society where equal outcome means the redistribution of wealth.


35 posted on 01/18/2022 12:06:05 AM PST by jonrick46 (Leftnicks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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To: Noumenon

“The threshold I.Q. level for a diagnosis of mental retardation has been progressively lowered over the years, in part because of awareness of the damaging social prejudice suffered by those labeled “retarded.” In 1959, the American Association on Mental Deficiency set 85 as the I.Q. below which a person was considered to be retarded.In 1992, the renamed American Association on Mental Retardation lowered the mental retardation “ceiling” to an I.Q. of 70-75,but many mental health specialists argue that people with I.Q.s of up to 80 may also have mental retardation. Flexibility in the I.Q. standard is important because tests given at different times may show slight variations due to differences in the tests and because of testing error — the standard error measurement on I.Q. tests is generally three to five points.”

https://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/ustat/ustat0301-01.htm


36 posted on 01/18/2022 2:21:34 AM PST by Lee25 ( )
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To: Noumenon

Is IQ largely inherited?

strong evidence for: twins separated at birth

strong evidence against: increase of IQ of ethnic whites relative to WASPs from WWI to WWII; increase of IQ of east Germans, Poles and Estonians relative to west Germans and Swedes after the fall of the Berlin Wall

a possible reconciliation: perhaps POTENTIAL IQ is largely inherited while ACTUAL IQ depends on nutrition while in the womb and during infancy, upbringing (prior to schooling), and early schooling

BTW black IQ has closed about half the gap relative to white since the publication of the Bell Curve

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/20060619_iq.pdf


37 posted on 01/18/2022 2:35:59 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Tom in SFCA

“The authors of The Bell Curve are Charles Murray and Richard J. Herrnstein.”

Dick Cocks (unfortunate name) gets Murray’s name wrong early in the article but it is correct later on. Strange.


38 posted on 01/18/2022 2:59:08 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (I went to bed on November 3rd 2020 and woke up in 1984.)
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To: devere; Noumenon

I agree with you devere. Mr. Cocks does oversimplify the point, perhaps it is more to make his point understood by many. Like you I have an IQ sufficient to be a doctor. So did my younger brother. In fact, he had a brilliant mind. So much so I was often jealous of his abilities. Mr. Cocks though claims the childhood home bears little influence on adult life, to this point I highly disagree. High IQ children are often permanently harmed in the dysfunctional home, to the point they become so deficient in social skills, they are unable to function at their best and highest levels.


39 posted on 01/18/2022 3:04:18 AM PST by EBH (Hold My Beer. 1776-2021 May God Save Us.)
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To: EBH

Emotional intelligence is a much better predictor of success than IQ. Emotional intelligence among other things provides an indication of cognitive flexibility which is very important in successful living.


40 posted on 01/18/2022 3:26:44 AM PST by Chickensoup ( Leftists totalitarian fascists are eradicating conservatives)
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