Posted on 01/17/2022 8:32:12 PM PST by Noumenon
If we threw out the concept that testing is racist, then companies could do IQ tests of applicants straight out of high school, and not require expensive college degrees for most positions.
It was Charles Murray who was the Bell Curve coauthor.
concerning other factors ...
IQ may be the single best predictor of future success, but it isn’t a very good predictor by itself. In fact, I suspect that credit score would outperform IQ in a mano a mano test.
If you were restricted to two bits of information, you’d want to know (a) IQ and (b) conscientiousness (one of the BIG 5 personality traits).
Let’s say you’re a college, and you base admissions on SAT (a good proxy for IQ) and GPA (in context, a good proxy for conscientiousness). By taking both into account, you’d separate the high IQs with good conscientiousness from the high IQs with low conscientiousness.
(If you’re allowed three bits of information, I’d suggest participation in team activities, such as sports or band.)
If the better schools skim the high SATs with good GPAs, then the remaining high SATs for mid level and lower schools are low GPAs. Mid level and lower schools shouldn’t put much stock in SAT scores. They should put more stock in GPA.
In a study I did (a long time ago), I found that both formal education and apparent intelligence (as judged by the interviewer after a long interview) were important. So, let’s not knock good old-fashioned common sense. The ability to reasonably assess all kinds of information, in context, and in real time, and to be able to communicate, is different from abstract reasoning ability, and is very important in many occupations, especially those in which you deal with others.
And, I found that height mattered for males but not for females.
You are correct.
>>Two genius-level parents will have children whose intelligence is shifted slightly to the right on the bell curve. The chances of any single child also being a genius is maybe only twice that of a child selected at random from the general population (i.e.: the chance shifts from “very low” to only “low”).<<
Case in point: Albert Einstein had a two sons. One became an engineer, doing well but not rocking the world.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Albert_Einstein
This is a problem with “elites”. Their parents may have been brilliant. The offspring, not necessarily.
They fear brilliant competitors emerging from the middle class, which is why they seek to sabotage the education system.
Character, faith in Jesus, heart, patience, stamina, and more, have greater importance than IQ, in my humble opinion.
Read later.
A CEO is paid to keep his mouth shut. The more he's paid, the more he needs to keep his mouth shut about.
True, because the burden of knowing can be huge whereas those walking around oblivious have not a care in the world.
Yes, there are other factors. I have a 140+ IQ, but I was still going down the drain due to getting into drugs in college, until I got straightened out.
Then again, an IQ 90 person will not make it as an engineer, no matter how conscientious he is.
At the upper levels, you need multiple things going for you to make it.
(If you’re allowed three bits of information, I’d suggest participation in team activities, such as sports or band.)
If the better schools skim the high SATs with good GPAs, then the remaining high SATs for mid level and lower schools are low GPAs. Mid level and lower schools shouldn’t put much stock in SAT scores. They should put more stock in GPA.
Brilliant analysis and conclusions! I agree whole-heartedly! (Not that I am particularly qualified to do so, however.)
In a study I did (a long time ago), I found that both formal education and apparent intelligence (as judged by the interviewer after a long interview) were important. So, let’s not knock good old-fashioned common sense.
But then, you had better have a very good interviewer!
In my experience (gleaned at Berkeley, JPL, Lawrence Livermore, etc.), the interviewers appointed by, e.g., educational foundations looking for high-potential candidates to whom to give sizable grants / scholarships can be a very mixed bag. Some were genuinely interested in probing the given candidate's potential, while others lacked interpersonal communication skills, social skills, were mired in their own narcissistic personalities, and unable to function outside of their own, narrow fields. Pitiful!
Regards,
Due to falling White IQ?
Or rising Black IQ?
Regards,
Intellectuals, brilliant as they may be, usually have no more wisdom than anyone else ... and often times what wisdom they do possess is overshadowed by the knowledge of their area of expertise
That is, nothing matters more than their field of expertise which is why "experts" are focused on only one perspective ... and which is why, although "experts" should be consulted for their knowledge, they must never, ever be left to control something as complex as public policy. Doing so results in what America has suffered through for two long years ... and counting.
As a Toolmaker, I worked with a man who had somewhat higher than average intelligence. There were several very high IQ guys in the shop. His theory was that ,” if I can’t out think you , I’ll out work you “. He was very successful. Could a simple awareness of what needs to be done, and doing it, be a type of intelligence not indicated in an IQ test?
Excellent comment.
I’m always amazed by the amount of freepers who don’t understand that articles like this only fuel the leftist criteria for “acceptable experts.”
Their systems only work when only their educational formats and institutions accept and expound the chosen experts that have paid their dues back to the leftist systems in place. They have no problems closing ranks when empowered in government positions to shower their “highly intelligent and bright college graduates” with careers in government that are just resume builders for the next level.
If you don’t know leftists consider any CONSERVATIVE professor, student, university, attorney, physician, author, reporter etc as ignorant and dumb, you haven’t been paying attention. Only pure leftist in these occupations and in situations are truly the intelligent and bright.
That’s why adhering to “high IQ” is the biggest marker for success. It might be a part of the puzzle, but I Know some very high IQ types who cannot function properly within their own families, are terrible parents, or who cannot properly socially engage, much less run a business.
I personally know other average to moderately high IQ types who are smart enough to know their abilities and limits, but know how to build teams In their to their greatest advantage by following in the footsteps and using advice of other great and successful people before them.
IQ needs to be defined. In this article it is neither defined nor described.
Excellent comment.
Is the closing of the white-black gap due to falling white IQ or rising black IQ?
either way, the change challenges the IQ is hereditary
yes, there has been some talk in recent years of a leveling out or even slight fall of the IQs of whites in this and other countries
possibly a small part of the change is due to falling white IQ, but definitely a large part if not all of the change is due to rising black IQ
Thank you, and I must acknowledge that listening to Dennis Prager helped me coalesce these points. Credit where credit is due, y’know!
I believe that the increase in black IQ is due to the increase in mixed couples. That concept and a MAGA hat will get me banned from social media.
One of the reasons I believe that the drug epidemic has proved so harmful is that it allows poor personality traits to overcome the factors that increase success. Really really high IQ people can smoke pot with fewer(?) effects, but that layer underneath them simply can't if they are to compete successfully.
Elon Musk may be a good example, maybe not. But hearing him join Dan Carlin (with Bill Riley) discuss how engineering has changed warfare was excellent. (Hardcore History Addendum Episode 17)
Thanks for a good thread.
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