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The Blood on George W. Bush’s Hands
Substack ^ | May 19, 2022 | Pedro L. Gonzalez

Posted on 05/20/2022 12:12:45 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: pepsi_junkie

He pulled the same crap with Harriet Miers. Don’t ask any questions about her, just TRUST US and confirm her! ####head Cheney even called into Rush and told conservatives to settle down! Just trust us Harriet Miers is great! There’s no evidence at all, just trust us!


61 posted on 05/20/2022 8:03:03 PM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: laconic
"...Where, exactly are the WMDs that Bush started a war over?"

I hate to break the news to you Sparky but Saddam did have WMDs. We found them. Bush lied, not about Saddam having WMDs but about not having found them.

The NY Slimes ran with the story in 2014, detailing the injuries to US servicemen who were injured when they chanced across the caches of mustard agent and sarin. The Slimes later published the US intelligence report on the events, released under FOIA. It's even been noted on Wikipedia that "the total number of munitions discovered since 2003 had climbed to 4,990...."

The Daily Beast later reported that Bush administration insiders claimed that it was Carl Rove's idea to cover up having found the weapons, presumably to prevent every Muslim terrorist on the planet from descending on Iraq in a scavenger hunt for whatever chemical weapons the US might have overlooked.

And not that it matters but only the Illiterati ever thought the war was over the belief that Saddam had WMDs anyway (which was lie that the demoncrats were peddling). The war was over his unwillingness to allow the international community to confirm he didn't have them.

Whether he had them or not -- which he did -- was irrelevant.

62 posted on 05/20/2022 8:04:13 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: imabadboy99

Don’t forget this POS lecturing us about islam being a “religion of peace”! right after 9/11 !!!

FU GWBush! F your whole ####head family!


63 posted on 05/20/2022 8:04:46 PM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: Paal Gulli

what a joke


64 posted on 05/20/2022 8:05:18 PM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: pepsi_junkie

Yes it is. The Swamp is full of gators, ticks and leeches. If it comes down to the governor of Florida or Trump, it is not even close. DeSantis gets my vote. DJT lost me with the support of OZ. It is EVIL to maim children to make permanent customers for pharma.


65 posted on 05/20/2022 8:06:01 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts ((“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer,)
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To: Flavious_Maximus
Saddam had to go. We gave him every chance. Our cause and actions to remove him were just and right. Thank God President Bush had the fortitude to do what needed to be done. A lot of people talked about doing it, but he followed through. All the lies and revisionist history will never change the facts.
66 posted on 05/20/2022 8:11:41 PM PDT by Geo81 (Conservatism, not populism)
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To: Geo81
This article by pos Pedro Gonzalez is spewing the usual lies of the left that Iraq was unjustified and Bush lied us into war. You seriously don't see the relevance of Trump's words from before Bush's presidency? It completely exposes Gonzalez's claims for what they are: insidious lies.

Take it up with Colin Powell.

67 posted on 05/20/2022 8:12:27 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Geo81

Everyone? In that case, I apologize. God knows the majority opinion is always the truth.


68 posted on 05/20/2022 8:19:43 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts ((“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer,)
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To: laconic
"Warmongering neocon" is a leftist pejorative against conservatives. Why have you adopted their language? Whenever I see "neocon" used on FR nowadays, it means standard conservative foreign policy.

Where are the wmds Trump and all the other other Democrats said were there? Most likely Syria. Btw: Bush didn't start the war, Saddam Hussein did. How do you not know that?

69 posted on 05/20/2022 8:23:21 PM PDT by Geo81 (Conservatism, not populism)
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To: Geo81
Because Sadaam Hussein did have wmds.

He certainly did.

70 posted on 05/20/2022 8:27:05 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: Nifster
Well, at least your consistent. Consistently wrong about this, but consistent. But, are you seriously going to deny that this is a drastically different site than even 10 years ago? The facts on the ground haven't changed. Things that would have rightfully gotten you zotted then are now commonplace.

I know I'm touching a live wire here, but did DJT love America when he committed blood libel against the CIC when our soldiers were fighting for us overseas? He either lied in 2000 or he lied in 2007-present. Clearly he wasn't lying in 2000. Therefore he knowingly committed blood libel against GWB.

71 posted on 05/20/2022 9:05:18 PM PDT by Geo81 (Conservatism, not populism)
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To: imabadboy99
He wasn't lecturing. He was trying to make clear that we weren't going to war with a billion Muslims. We wanted Muslim countries to ally with us in the WOT. We all know the huge issues within Islam, but declaring war on the entire religion would have been the dumbest thing we could have done.
72 posted on 05/20/2022 9:13:50 PM PDT by Geo81 (Conservatism, not populism)
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To: Geo81
He either lied in 2000 or he lied in 2007-present. Clearly he wasn't lying in 2000. Therefore he knowingly committed blood libel against GWB.

This is a false dichotomy.

True, maybe Trump knowingly committed blood libel against GWB, as you claim.

Or maybe the data he was operating off in 2000 was incomplete, compared to 2007.

Or maybe he believed the reports that were publicly available in 2007, and thought the older data had therefore been faulty or false.

Or perhaps the reality of facts on the ground in 2007 Iraq made him think that perhaps the Middle East had been better off with Saddam Hussein.

And so on.

There are a variety of potential explanations regarding why Trump changed his tone from 2000 to 2007 that don't fit your absolutist dichotomy.

But apparently, "standard conservative foreign policy" involves the decimation of the Christian population from one of Christianity's oldest havens by virtue of the radical Islamists who gained power because of our feckless and ill-defined foreign policy.

"The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace." - George W. Bush from a speech on September 17th, 2001

73 posted on 05/20/2022 9:20:47 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Vermont Lt
Rehashing stuff that went bad 20 years ago is also a waste of time. We have bigger fish to fry.

Saddam Hussein was a SOB who needed to be taken out. Should we have done it in 2003? That's open to debate. But it's done with and old news like you said.

74 posted on 05/20/2022 9:23:22 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
I don't care what Powell says. He outed himself as a racist with his support of Obama the marxist.

Did Trump lie in his 2000 book?

75 posted on 05/20/2022 9:24:29 PM PDT by Geo81 (Conservatism, not populism)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Come on man. Trump said Bush lied us into war, when he said the same damn things when Bush was still the governor of Texas. I don't see how there's any kind of innocent explanation for that. Either Bush lied, or Trump and the leftists lied when they said Bush lied.
76 posted on 05/20/2022 9:38:13 PM PDT by Geo81 (Conservatism, not populism)
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To: Geo81
Having not read the book for myself, I can't cross-reference the sources Trump and his co-author cited. I don't know if he was sincerely mistaken in 2000, or if he was knowingly lying.

What matters is the sense of objective. If the Bush Administration believed Saddam had been a clear and present danger to the United States of America, taking him out was one thing.

Staying behind for year after year as part of some nebulous mission to 'spread democracy' in the Middle East — in a region and culture with no tradition in Western values that made democracy such a valuable system — was a fool's errand.

77 posted on 05/20/2022 9:39:24 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Geo81
I don't care what Powell says.

You should. Colin Powell was George W. Bush's Secretary of State from 2001 to 2005 (and therefore the one responsible for implementing the Bush Administration's foreign policy), and was one of the most notable public faces promoting the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

His opinions about Obama have no bearing on his public proclamations as Secretary of State (and the contradictions he disclosed in private contrary to those public statements).

78 posted on 05/20/2022 9:46:56 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Geo81

You nicely avoided the fact that FR does not exist as an opinion piece. FR has no opinion but people at FR have lots of opinions…. You included

You seem bent all out of shape that people aren’t agreeing with you

Have a good weekend


79 posted on 05/20/2022 11:21:20 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Geo81

I don’t think you understand the term blood libel for starters

W went to war in Iraq. Didn’t like it then don’t like it now

Maybe you can go fight for the Ukrainians.


80 posted on 05/20/2022 11:40:03 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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