Posted on 09/09/2022 9:23:51 PM PDT by TBP
The opposite is true.
Actually, on the face of it, the "Genesis Device" could be likened to the large-scale projects (constructing a dam, draining a swamp, cutting a road through a dense forest, etc.) typical of our nation's formative years, when we had a frontier to conquer and settle.
The "Genesis Device" was intended to help the Federation (the "good guys") reclaim useless (lifeless) planets so that civilization could expand.
Anyone opposing the "Genesis Device" could then be compared with the liberals who regularly come out of the woodwork and demonstrate against the construction of a new nuclear power plant, or a hydroelectric dam, or the harvesting of timber - because it would "endanger" the rare "Yellow-Bellied Sap-Sucker" or such.
It is the liberals who cry, "This is f*cking hubris! You have no right to develop this wasteland. Human beings are a blight on Nature!"
However, it is (later) explicitly stated that David Marcus "meddled in God's domain" by employing "unstable proto-matter" - which is why the "Genesis Planet" self-destructs. Now that could be interpreted as a "liberal message!"
Regards,
When you make bold assertions like that, you should be aware that many FReepers are Star Trek fans and can quote big chunks of dialog from the screenplays almost verbatim... in their sleep.
KIRK: Botany Bay. That was the name of a penal colony on shores of Australia, wasn't it? If they took that name for their vessel...
SPOCK: If you're suggesting this was a penal deportation vessel, you've arrived at a totally illogical conclusion.
KIRK: Oh?
SPOCK: Your Earth was on the verge of a dark ages. Whole populations were being bombed out of existence. A group of criminals could have been dealt with far more efficiently than wasting one of their most advanced spaceships.
The peoples of Earth did succeed in finally throwing off the yoke of the "genetic supermen," but when the smoke cleared, there were still some "eighty or ninety of these young supermen unaccounted for when they were finally defeated" (according to Spock).
In the movie, Khan first commandeers the Reliant, then the space station (Regula I), and only then attempts to DESTROY the Enterprise.
Regards,
Maybe it was his “Uncle Vanya” from Chekov Does Chekhov.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGbq5j9VxoE
I was talking about originally in Space Seed. I said "take over," not "destroy." Kirk restores their ship, they take over the Enterprise, later they take over the Reliant and then the space station.
-PJ
I was wrong to say they were put on sleeper ships, but I didn't think they left totally voluntarily.
-PJ
Chekov could well have been a crew member, and we certainly can’t believe Kahn didn’t see anyone we didn’t see on the Enterprise, when he was on it.
I don’t see any necessary leap or incongruity.
You referenced the Reliant, and the space station (Regula I), so you were clearly talking about the movie.
That was the premise of the original episode. The people finally stopped them from trying to take over the Earth. They put them on a sleeper ship and sent it out into space. Then they tried to take over the Enterprise, then the Reliant, then the space station.
Again: No one was "put" onto the sleeper ship.
Regards,
Somerhing likew that might be fine if there was money to be made out of it. A company like W R Grace could do it. A lot of Bureau of Land Management bureaucrats, and EPA shits and various power point wizards of smart would create what government usually creates, a lot of crap.
-PJ
Don't see where you're going with that, or how that logically proceeds from what you have said so far, but I was criticizing your initial statement that the "Genesis Device" was emblematic of a "liberal" mindset:
Ah, liberalism in endless quest to meddle in everything and engage in world saving schemes no one but them would want or wish to piss resources away on.
I say again: Liberals, typically, don't get involved in large-scale projects to clear land, build power plants, and generally advance the borders of civilization except to attempt to subvert or thwart them.
Analogy: The America's transcontinental railways could be liken to the "Genesis Project." Liberals - if there had been any back then - would have laid down in front of the tracks, protested that the wilderness should remain untouched, etc.
Regards,
I always likened Khan and his followers to be similar to the globalists (now WEF) leaders who believe they should lead the world due to their success/wealth/education, but who do not have any emotional self-control over themselves.
Read Richard White’s Railroaded, The Trans continentals and the Making of Modern America. The anodyne title covers a thoroughly damning narrative of just how corrupt and incompetent the gpvernment=speculator=bond peddler alliance was that produced the massively overbuilt transcontinental rail net in the 19th century. All big deal/world saver operations should be considered bs unless proven otherwise and only undertaken with private monies. I don’t think the left wing liberal New Deal statist mentality that fills much of Trek would ever get to that. Besides, there has to be a narrative full of moralistic posturing, hammy sentimentality and liberal virtue signaling.
Liberals are the same way, they only think they are superior, the truth is they are not.
Lol! Ricardo was a fine looking man all his life. 😀 I think he was also married to the same woman all his life, a rarity for actors.
"They are captured by Khan and his people and told they are actually on Ceti Alpha V. Ceti Alpha VI has blown up."
How would the 6th planet's destruction make the 5th planet to appear to be the 6th? What am I missing?
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