Posted on 08/01/2023 7:33:36 AM PDT by Red Badger
Is that because EVs are counted as infinity mpg, not using any gas at all. (Other than the coal-fired power plant used to charge them.) If so the one such car is enough.
“If finalized as proposed, the updated standards would save Americans hundreds of dollars at the pump,”
...but costing tens of thousands of dollars more at the lot.
Cost benefit analysis is not a strong suit for bureaucrats. Some conservative chainsaw math, using numbers in the article, would mean the average driver would have to consume 2700 gallons of fuel to save $200 at the pump. At the new 58 mpg standard, that would require driving 156,000 miles.
Is this mental midget talking about saving $200 (that would be the smallest amount of “hundreds of dollars”) a month, a year, or over the life of the car?.....At what cost from the dealer?
EC
> Sheets of cellophane stretched over balsa wood frames. <
We’re getting to that point. Parts that used to be made of durable metal are now being made by less-reliable plastic. All to save an ounce of weight here and an ounce of weight there.
A guy I know was having all kinds of transmission problems with his car. I think it was a Chrysler, but I’m not sure. Turns out it was a small plastic part that kept on breaking.
Impossible. He never had one in the first place. He has been arrogant, ignorant, unintelligent, nasty, vindictive, and petty for his entire political career.
Sheets of cellophane strecthed over balsa wood frames.
getting smashed by heavyweight EVs
probably better to just surrender
and get on the bus
You have to really do your homework to see how many miles/kWh an EV gets, and under what circumstances. (Of course, I guess the same for having to research ICE cars to see their true mpg instead of their stated mpg.) Then after that there's a conversion loss when charging. For example, my EV averages 3.3 miles/kWh in the 13 months we've owned it (lots of 80mph miles and lots of local 40 mph miles), even while running the A/C. Not bad. But that's from DC power stored in the battery. I assume about a 10% loss when charging due to converting AC to DC. This is because I usually charge it slow at 5.6kW instead of the 11kW max it'll charge at on a Level 2 charger at home. Slower charging = less efficiency converting AC to DC (so I'm probably losing about 10% of my power instead of 5%). So in the end, I'm getting a hair over 3 miles/kWh of AC power charging.
My wife and I drove it for 26K miles the first year, about 23K of those miles were charged at home. Call it 7,600 kWh's of charging at home to go 23K miles. Even if kWh's cost all year in my power bills what they cost in my last bill (16.4816 cents/kWh after subtracting flat monthly fees and tax that is also monthly), that means it costs $1,253 in added power bill cost to drive 23K miles (assuming I didn't have solar). Of course, that's a lot less than the gas would have been for those 23K miles.
That's the kind of real world math anybody should look up and do for their own situation before getting an EV. For a lot of people, they don't drive enough miles per year for an EV to be worth it, even if all the other factors for an EV are in his favor (i.e. live in the south so we don't worry about cold winters draining the battery, married and need 2 cars anyway so we have an ICE car to take if a trip has few chargers along the way, live in a house so that it's easy to charge at home, live in a place with dependable power unlike 3rd world Commifornia and their brownouts, etc.). Like everything else in life it should be a free market decision.
The politicians and bureaucrats who make rules regarding automotive transportation are mentally incapable of understanding physics. They're just too damn dumb.
But it doesn't matter.
This isn't about making better cars.
This is about ENDING cars. This is about making YOU (yes, you personally) a dependent upon Government Almighty.
Lol, everybody gets a Prius, and will love it! 58MPG is a piece of cake for EVs but people shouldn’t have those forced on them.
2023 Toyota Prius
2.0 L, 4 cyl, Automatic (variable gear ratios)
MSRP: $27,450
Regular Gasoline
City MPG:57 Highway MPG:56”
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=46359
Perhaps learning to use a manual transmission is in Americans’ future.
Ah, we should ride around in Cushman Good-Humor Ice Cream bikes! Yes!
Just add some pedal cars to their fleet. Unlimited MPG.
Is that a pure EV?
Not sure I understand how it is any more than zero?
Yep, they know it is not possible. It is a ban on ICE vehicles
Are you asking about the government's bogus MPGe metric? Ostensibly it's supposed to show how efficient the vehicle is no matter where the energy came from (i.e. electricity), but in the equivalence of the energy in one gallon of gasoline. But it puffs up the calculation to make EV's look more efficient than they really are.
I'm not anti-EV. In fact, an EV works well for most of mine and my wife's driving. But I hate government interference in our choices and I also hate fake metrics.
Haha, good math there.
Except, maybe you might want to include a finite amount of miles driven.
Maybe? 😎
Contrary to what politicians seem to believe, the energy generating capacity of Gasoline isn’t infinite, and we have already come pretty close to the maximum. Eventually you will get to the point that a certain MPG just simply isn’t scientifically possible. And that might be what they hope, to force people into electric deathtraps simply because no manufacturer can make gasoline engines that meet the MPG requirements.
Oh.
Sorry, I am not familiar with that metric.
In that case … (never mind)
🙂
Communism is when the government owns or controls all properties and functions of the nation - complete control.
How close are we under Biden??
“...the energy generating capacity of Gasoline isn’t infinite...”
True. At best, the current technology of Internal Combustion Engines, efficiency is about 30%. The theoretical limit for steel block engines is only 37%, though some people believe it could be as high as 45-47%, but that would probably melt the steel unless they used a ceramic block and pistons.
Gas turbine engines (see 1960’s Batmobile) are more efficient but impractical for everyday consumers’ cars.
Unless some new technology comes on-line then we are faced with a bureaucratic diktat that is impossible to meet.................by design.................I would laugh my ass off if someone actually did come up with a technology that did pass teh 58mpg test! That would set the greeenies on fire!................
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