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Grim: Snow White doesn't need love
Washington Examiner ^ | 08/18/2023 | Timothy Carney

Posted on 08/18/2023 10:00:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

In sum, Disney is turning a 200 year-old story about overcoming “vanity and self-regard” into a post-modern story about woke vanity and self-regard.


21 posted on 08/18/2023 11:16:25 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: SeekAndFind
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Hollywood re-made and adapted this Grimm Fairy tale. They added a lot of modern violence, and revenge theme, with a lot of campy dialogue and modern gender roles. But they did not change the basic foundational ethic of the story. For that reason, it was successful and made a lot of money.

22 posted on 08/18/2023 11:22:26 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: discostu

Times change, language changes, culture changes - but the archetypes can not change.

Disney, being good marxists, are trying to turn human nature and its archetypes on their head. They are guaranteed to fail.


23 posted on 08/18/2023 11:25:26 AM PDT by PGR88
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Archetypes absolutely change. All you need to do is look at the history of this story. There’s been VASTLY different versions of this story in various times and regions. Sometimes it’s a stepmother, sometimes queen, sometimes actual mother. Sometimes there’s dwarves, sometimes robbers. Sometime the huntsman refuses to kill her, sometimes he falls for her and they go into hiding.

Before people started mass printing these stories they changed CONSTANTLY. You could go one town over and get a different version, stay in the same town for 20 years and it would change.

Stories change, archetypes change, cultures change.


24 posted on 08/18/2023 11:34:11 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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“its not a passing of the torch but a torching of the past”


25 posted on 08/18/2023 11:34:23 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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Once you know the past you know it torches itself constantly.


26 posted on 08/18/2023 11:36:31 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: SeekAndFind

Only fags would be interested in such a “plot”. Kids would simply ignore this as something that doesn’t interest them.


27 posted on 08/18/2023 11:39:00 AM PDT by Pox (Eff You China. Buy American!)
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To: SeekAndFind

How kind

How touching

How feminine

How soft


28 posted on 08/18/2023 11:49:33 AM PDT by Varsity Flight ( See"War by🙏🙏 the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18. Nazarite prayer warriors. 10.5.6.5)
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Promising “a modern edge” to the classic, actress Rachel Zegler said, “It’s no longer 1937. ... She’s not going to be saved by the prince, and she’s not going to be dreaming about true love. She’s dreaming about becoming the leader she knows she can be.”

So in short, more fictional Disney Booschidt. However, if she wants to really be a "leader she can be", she can start by taking back the ladies restrooms from the male perverts and then start by getting all the trophy-stealing, male perverts out of women's sports. I mean, geez. What ever happened to Feminazism anyway. Men are walking all over the women these days and all these Snow Whites just don't seem to care.

29 posted on 08/18/2023 11:53:06 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Welcome to Amerika! Have you filed a lawsuit today?)
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To: discostu
Sometimes it’s a stepmother, sometimes queen, sometimes actual mother.

That's merely a character. Archetypes are deeper. For example, you could not make the character an evil stepfather. Or you could not make them a caregiving grandmother. The story loses all meaning. Jung would have called this the magician archetype.

30 posted on 08/18/2023 11:53:13 AM PDT by PGR88
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But that IS an archetype. The wicked stepmother IS an archetype. Except when the female villain is a queen.

And yes you totally COULD make the character an evil stepfather. It wouldn’t lose meaning it would CHANGE meaning. Which is part of why these stories constantly change. Because they reflect the meaning the society of that time and place WANT TO TELL. You can see it right in how this story has changed. An evil mother is about the jealousy of being surpassed by the next generation. An evil stepmother is about being jealous of the vestiges of the first wife. An evil queen is worrying the peasants getting out of hand. A stepfather would be a very similar story to the stepmother, vestiges of who was there. Which archetype the is in the story changes with what society is trying to express with the story.

These things do and have and always will change constantly. Look up the history of ANY of these stories. There are literally hundreds of versions that managed to get enough traction to be known. Probably many more since so many of these stories come from a time when most people couldn’t write.


31 posted on 08/18/2023 12:06:41 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: SeekAndFind

Next up:

Phantomess of the Opera....with pansy boy-man with struggles as best supporting act.


32 posted on 08/18/2023 12:12:18 PM PDT by Varsity Flight ( See"War by🙏🙏 the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18. Nazarite prayer warriors. 10.5.6.5)
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To: discostu

A basic principle of conservatism: CONSERVE the good in the past. And no, the past does not “torch itself”. It requires someone else to say it was wrong and that it needs to be destroyed.


33 posted on 08/18/2023 12:51:32 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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You can conserve the past and not be trapped in it. And absolutely the past torches itself. Especially before the printing press. Because things just change, reality ALWAYS changes. And before the printing press, when the current reality couldn’t be recorded well, when things changed that was it, the past was gone. We won’t be losing previous versions of Snow White. We have records of hundreds of renditions. Some good, some not. All reflective of the time.


34 posted on 08/18/2023 12:57:29 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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They already did this with, “Snow White and the Huntsman.”


35 posted on 08/18/2023 1:40:22 PM PDT by Tacrolimus1mg (Do no harm, but take no sh!t.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I could not help but notice that Rachel Zegler and Gal Gadot have small breasts.
Disney needs women in the roles with cleavage.


36 posted on 08/18/2023 3:45:09 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: SeekAndFind

If Disney wanted to make a movie about a strong female musical, they could just put together “Springtime For Hillary”.


37 posted on 08/18/2023 5:31:37 PM PDT by Bernard ("No matter where you go, there you are." (Buckaroo Banzai))
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