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US-Ukraine Brass Write off Counteroffensive After 57.000 Casualties, Focus on Force-Drafting New Conscripts for 2024
Gateway Pundit ^ | 28 Aug 23 | Richard Abelson

Posted on 08/28/2023 5:28:11 PM PDT by delta7

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To: delta7

Another neocon disaster.


21 posted on 08/28/2023 6:24:01 PM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! R )
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To: delta7

Let’s do some ballpark math. Ukraine’s population is about 40 million. Assume 50% men and the average age at death is 70 years old. That means there are approximately 286,000 men at each age level. Assume 400,000 casualties in two years of war or 200,000 per year. So another year of war will add 286,000 new men into the meat grinder and there will be 200,000 casualties. So roughly 70% of the men in any age group will become a casualty over their service life if the war lasts long enough. Some casualties may be wounded guys more than once, but even so that seems like WW1 levels of destructions. Change any of the assumptions you want and see what you come up with. Now convince me a negotiated peace is a bad idea.


22 posted on 08/28/2023 6:24:05 PM PDT by alternatives?
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To: wildcard_redneck

I feel your pain but my eyes are dry. You guys are the biggest suckers on the planet!
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No, those that bought into his Covid vax hoax , masks, mandates, shutdowns were.


23 posted on 08/28/2023 6:25:33 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

When do hohos start drafting and press-ganging children under 12??


24 posted on 08/28/2023 6:31:23 PM PDT by ganeemead ( )
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To: delta7
"No, those that bought into his Covid vax hoax , masks, mandates, shutdowns were."

I stand corrected.

25 posted on 08/28/2023 6:35:50 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck (The Forever War is a crime against humanity)
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To: Williams

“Except for references to Bloomberg at the end, the source of every ‘fact’ in this article is ‘Russia says.’”

Yup. And Russia’s dutiful FR propagandist posts it without so much as a blink. 400,000 Ukrainian KIA to 57,000 Russian KIA? Well, if they are counting the Ukrainian civilians killed by Russia in that 400,000 number it might have some accuracy.


26 posted on 08/28/2023 6:36:06 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: alternatives?

Let’s do some ballpark math.…
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Ukraine is announcing yet another mobilization, trying to raise their fourth Army, and this will be by accounts their 9th mobilization….they simply now have NO PATH to VICTORY, let alone any hopes of a post war army. The Ukies 18-60 draft is now rumored to kick it up to 65 ( some sources are stating 70 y/o are seen in uniform ) but they presumably have volunteered and not press ganged into service.

Ukraine 1991-2023


27 posted on 08/28/2023 6:36:12 PM PDT by delta7
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To: ClearCase_guy

“We pretend that the US is not currently at war with Russia, but I say we are and I say it’s a stupid thing for us to do.”

How is it any different from what Russia did during the Vietnam War? It’s very common.


28 posted on 08/28/2023 6:37:42 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: tennmountainman
"Thousands of Military age Ukraine males fled to Poland. Poland should deport them en Mass back to Ukraine. Let Zelensky send them to the Front Lines."

Why would you wish more dead in a post war? It is over. Unless the garbage that rules us want to draft Americans it is over. Unless the Biden Regime is stupid enough to try to throw American boys and girls into this war and then face the wrath of Americans, this war is done.

29 posted on 08/28/2023 6:39:38 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck (The Forever War is a crime against humanity)
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To: Owen

Yup, the Germans eventually got chewed up in the USSR, after some significant gains that they were not able to exploit (mainly because Hitler, the corporal with the ego, decided HE was a better general than all of the German Generals and Fieldmarshals put together).

Churchill was once asked why Britain didn’t arrange for Hitler’s assassination, and Churchill quipped: “Why would we want to do that? Hitler is the best general we have!” Or words to that effect.


30 posted on 08/28/2023 6:45:59 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: wildcard_redneck

Tough ***t, Joe.

You allowed them to install you as King, it’s your fault too.


31 posted on 08/28/2023 6:48:55 PM PDT by OKSooner (Maybe Quix was right about some stuff. Pronouns=(XY, XYim, XY's))
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To: ought-six; SpeedyInTexas; PIF; UMCRevMom@aol.com; FtrPilot; Williams; MeganC
"Yup. And Russia's dutiful FR propagandist posts it without so much as a blink. 400,000 Ukrainian KIA to 57,000 Russian KIA? Well, if they are counting the Ukrainian civilians killed by Russia in that 400,000 number it might have some accuracy."

You clowns got nothing on the Heaven's Gate cult. I fully expect many of you to commit suicide after sinking into despair you will don your Nike Decades shoes and drink the poison Kool-Aid Speedy serves you.


32 posted on 08/28/2023 7:01:49 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck (The Forever War is a crime against humanity)
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To: delta7

“ Armchair Warlord
@ArmchairW
Something I called on Telegram back on August 8th but which has been fully borne out by now:

Ukraine appears to be out of Storm Shadow/SCALP cruise missiles, or at least very close to out of them, after a Russian strike in Khmelnitsky three weeks ago targeted what was likely the primary storage facility for the weapons.

The Russians hit the Starokonstantinov military airfield the night of August 5th, where Ukraine’s small fleet of Su-24s modified to carry Western cruise missiles was based. Despite some online criticism of the strike as ineffective, massive secondary explosions were reported at the time and satellite photos of the aftermath show an enormous crater where the base’s ammunition storage bunkers once sat. I believe that the strike was in fact highly successful and destroyed Ukraine’s storage depot for its Storm Shadow missiles, placed exactly where they would logically be stored for most convenient use.

Ukraine conducted a large (and largely ineffectual) Storm Shadow strike on the road bridges connecting Crimea and Kherson on August 6th, but this is not inconsistent with the loss of the depot. The Ukrainians had warning of an incoming strike for hours beforehand and have made a practice of launching their aircraft during such attacks to avoid their destruction on the ground. The missiles fired on the 6th had likely been uploaded onto aircraft prior to the attack and were thus saved.

Now for the real tell - the next day, August 7th, the German Bundestag reversed their longstanding position on transferring Taurus cruise missiles to Ukraine and authorized the move. This strongly suggests to me that this was done on an emergency basis as the Storm Shadow supply had suddenly run dry. There are very few coincidences in war, and Germany moving on Taurus missiles a matter of hours after the Russians destroyed an ammunition depot at a Ukrainian base hosting cruise missile-equipped strike aircraft is an enormous red flag - presumably, appropriate pressure was brought to bear on the Germans after this disaster and they fell in line, at least temporarily.

The Germans subsequently backed off transferring Taurus missiles to Russia, but they were clearly put under a great deal of pressure on the matter at the time. The Russians may have made some equally-convincing threats under the table after the Taurus transfer started being seriously discussed.

Most significantly, there have been no confirmed Storm Shadow attacks since August 6th. The Russian MoD released a video of one being intercepted by a Buk SAM system (almost certainly quite old), there have been rumors of Russian interdiction strikes against another missile shipment, and there were rumors that front-line positions in Rabotino were hit with a cruise missile attack (probably misreported JDAMs). That’s it.

We’ve seen zero cruise missile strikes in the Russian deep rear in the last three weeks when they were previously happening with some regularity. Given the intensity and clear importance of the fighting in Zaporozhe over the course of this month it appears that Ukraine simply has no long-range weapons available for use at this critical juncture in the campaign.

With France and the UK seemingly out of missiles to send, Germany sitting on its own stockpile and the US very reluctant to transfer anything for fear of giving the Chinese a free hand in the Pacific, it’s unclear to me where the Ukrainians are going to get new supplies of deep-strike weapons at this point.”

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/08/ukraine-sitrep-us-to-prolong-its-proxy-war.html#comments


33 posted on 08/28/2023 7:04:21 PM PDT by delta7
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To: wildcard_redneck

Please remove me from your ping list, thank you.


34 posted on 08/28/2023 7:05:43 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: MeganC

I just thought that you wanted to hear the news. If Brandon wants to keep this fight up, he’s going to have to draft you and many menopausal American women to fight.


35 posted on 08/28/2023 7:12:33 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck (The Forever War is a crime against humanity)
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To: wildcard_redneck

No.
I was just pointing out thousands of military age Ukraine males fled Ukraine.
If these males who fled their country, don’t care, why should I.
I don’t care.


36 posted on 08/28/2023 7:13:08 PM PDT by tennmountainman (FUJB)
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To: allendale
You really have to wonder what the US/British generals were thinking if they advised the Ukrainians to mount this “counter offensive”.

It would have been so much better for Ukraine to retreat to defensive lines and reinforce those positions over time, but oh well.

37 posted on 08/28/2023 7:16:30 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: tennmountainman
No.
I was just pointing out thousands of military age Ukraine males fled Ukraine.
If these males who fled their country, don't care, why should I.
I don't care."

Makes good sense. My apologies.

38 posted on 08/28/2023 7:28:39 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck (The Forever War is a crime against humanity)
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To: Owen

The German Red Cross reported in 2005 that the records of the military search service WAS list total Wehrmacht losses at 4.3 million men (3.1 million dead and 1.2 million missing) in World War II. Their figures include Austria and conscripted ethnic Germans from Eastern Europe.


39 posted on 08/28/2023 7:36:28 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: alternatives?

Most casualties are wounded that return to service in a month or two.


40 posted on 08/28/2023 7:37:52 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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