Army grieves loss of wrestling star who died from surgery complications

https://www.stripes.com ^ | January 11, 2024 | JENNIFER H. SVAN

[reasonisfaith]

Proof doesn’t need to be proven.

[ought-six]

Nice try, kid.

[reasonisfaith]

You’re telling me the only way you’re willing to participate in this discussion is to make up procedural problems and use the meaningless quip, “Nice try, kid.”

[ought-six]

“Proof doesn’t need to be proven.”

Ridiculous statement. Proof assumes it has already been proved. And you have proved nothing.

[ought-six]

I’m telling you that you only have BELIEF; you do not have PROOF.

Get it?

[reasonisfaith]

The way to avoid getting personal during a discussion is to remember the value of objective truth, and then seek to elevate it.

[reasonisfaith]

Everything is proof of God’s existence.

[reasonisfaith]

The only way to refute that everything is proof of God’s existence is to first accept the premise that God doesn’t exist.

[ought-six]

You have presented no objective proof. You have only presented your belief. But, that’s all you CAN present; because that is the entire basis of religion.

[ought-six]

Prove it.

[reasonisfaith]

If God doesn’t exist, then there’s no evidence for his existence.

If God does exist, then everything is evidence for his existence.

[ought-six]

“The only way to refute that everything is proof of God’s existence is to first accept the premise that God doesn’t exist.”

Fallacy!

Arguendo, even if one accepted the premise that God existed, that does not imply acceptance that “everything is proof of God’s existence.”

[reasonisfaith]

See post #91.

[ought-six]

There is assumption. And that is ALL you have. And assumption is just a conclusion arrived at without proof.

[ought-six]

See post #94.

[reasonisfaith]

In my comment of post #91, can you see that we each have our own assumption?

[Fresh Wind]

That reminds me, there was a drummer kid in my high skool band who ended up in the Army band. He was really good. Wonder what ever happened to him?

[ought-six]

Not at all. YOU have the assumption (i.e., you have drawn a conclusion without proof). I have done no such thing. I have made no assumption, as I have drawn no conclusion without proof. I have done the exact opposite of making an assumption: I am asking FOR proof!