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The Wall Street Journal ^ | Wednesday, October 15, 2003 | MARK YOST

Posted on 10/15/2003 1:02:20 AM PDT by archy

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:06:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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1 posted on 10/15/2003 1:02:20 AM PDT by archy
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2 posted on 10/15/2003 1:04:20 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: archy; TexasCowboy; Shooter 2.5; humblegunner; Eaker; Dog Gone; RikaStrom
I thought you boys would enjoy this.......and you to Missie....
3 posted on 10/15/2003 5:34:43 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: TexasCowboy; Shooter 2.5; Eaker; humblegunner; Dog Gone; RikaStrom
Dang it, as a homeschool teacher you'd think I could proofread.............

I thought you boys would enjoy this.......and you to too Missie....

4 posted on 10/15/2003 5:36:58 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Cool!
Sign me up for the next one.
5 posted on 10/15/2003 5:40:29 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
Uh...ok......send me money and I'll, uh, put your name first on the list.....yea, that's what I'll do.......... lol
6 posted on 10/15/2003 5:41:55 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: logos
I think you've been there, done that.
7 posted on 10/15/2003 5:44:21 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
I have "been there and done that", although I didn't make it either time this year. Last time I was there I bought my wife a set of camoflauge undies. She was really impressed. I say that because she must have put them in the bank vault; at least, I've never seen them since.
8 posted on 10/15/2003 5:52:36 AM PDT by logos
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To: logos
She was really impressed. I say that because she must have put them in the bank vault; at least, I've never seen them since.

ROFL

9 posted on 10/15/2003 6:02:13 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
When I lived in Tennessee, there were always invitations to go to "the Creek". Unfortunately, I had never had a passion for machine guns and always refused. That is until now when someone showed me a little subgun in .22LR. I fell in love with that thing.

Over at my lease, there's a guy that was on one of the programs for the History Channel. He brings out his MG 42 and some more toys. Last Sunday someone brought out a Barrett 50BMG semi. They haven't tried to shoot long distance yet. I'm still waiting to see the videos that were taken. I clipped a bowling pin one time with a .50 at around 300 yards but since it was a poor hit, it didn't do much damage.

According to the article, someone had a Civil War era Gatling gun. Most Gatlings I have seen are cartridge guns from the Indian Wars. The 1963 Model didn't really use cartridges. They used steel sleeves that had the nipples on the back for the percussion caps. Sort of like little gun barrels. I have the plans for one but I never got around to making one. I thought that I could take a machinist's class at a college and just use their equipment.
10 posted on 10/15/2003 6:55:12 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
I admit to knowing virtually nothing about guns, but that doesn't mean I don't like them.........;^)
11 posted on 10/15/2003 7:13:13 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; Shooter 2.5; Eaker; humblegunner; Dog Gone; RikaStrom; archy
There's a little bit of erroneous info here.
You can get outfitted with a bolt action, single shot .50 caliber Barrett, for about $5500., scope and all.
The semi-automatic version will run about ten grand, but I can't imagine ever wanting to use a semi outside of combat.
This is a "hold 'em and squeeze 'em" type weapon.
A little recovery time is needed between each round for the average shooter.

Of course, what I really want is that quad-mounted .50!

12 posted on 10/15/2003 7:32:02 AM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
"I admit to knowing virtually nothing about guns,"

Have gun, will travel................and teach.

13 posted on 10/15/2003 7:33:33 AM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: TexasCowboy
How did I know you would make me that offer? lol

How ya doing these days Cowboy? Things going well in Texas?

14 posted on 10/15/2003 7:34:50 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
I wouldn't expect anything less from a Texas Girl. ;)

Maybe Michael could take you to the range one of these days. If you're moving to Maryland, guns will be a problem to have. I heard they have ridiculous laws there.

By the way, thanks for the ping. I almost missed this one.
15 posted on 10/15/2003 7:36:44 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
I'm doing good, Texas Girl.
I'm waiting on word from Noah in South Texas that the water has gone down enough to move a drilling rig.
16 posted on 10/15/2003 7:43:59 AM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Shooter 2.5
I'm doubting the Socialist State of Maryland will be receiving any tax money from us.......;^)

Michael has recently revived his golf game..... I doubt shooting is in the immediate future.....lol

17 posted on 10/15/2003 7:46:03 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: TexasCowboy
Noah! ROFL......I've heard that got a lot of rain down there......... does it look like the Gulf shifted West? lol
18 posted on 10/15/2003 7:47:26 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Yep, South Texas is now an inland lake.

If Michael ever shot that Barrett one time, he'd throw those golf clubs back in the closet and try to find a way to legally own one.

19 posted on 10/15/2003 7:54:31 AM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: TexasCowboy
I know......do NOT invite him down! lol
20 posted on 10/15/2003 7:55:28 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: Shooter 2.5; archy
Do y'all know where I can get a list of places in Texas which allows full auto shooting?
I'm seriously trying to buy a belt fed .30 or .50 caliber full auto.
I also need to know places that have 500 to 1000 yard firing ranges for the .50 caliber Barrett.

Thanks!

21 posted on 10/15/2003 8:39:56 AM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: msdrby; g'nad; ksen; 300winmag; Ramius; HairOfTheDog
ping
22 posted on 10/15/2003 9:39:43 AM PDT by Prof Engineer (Always use the word Impossible with the greatest caution ~ Werner Von Braun___ 5/14/04 Baby Moot '04)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Wooo Hoo! Now that looks like fun!
23 posted on 10/15/2003 9:59:15 AM PDT by RikaStrom
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
A golf course is a waste of a good gun range.

Or something like that.

24 posted on 10/15/2003 12:43:03 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: archy
When is the next shoot? How do I sign up? I want to go!
25 posted on 10/15/2003 12:43:36 PM PDT by Oorang ( The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Or something like that

LOL! The way you said it works just fine

26 posted on 10/15/2003 12:45:23 PM PDT by Oorang ( The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved)
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To: TexasCowboy
I'll have to ask the guys who sell the full autos at the Market Hall Gunshow. I think they might be able to set me up with some ranges. The downside is anyone who can afford something like that probably has their own land.
27 posted on 10/15/2003 12:47:08 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
as a homeschool teacher you'd think I could proofread

I may be a filthy disgusting atheist or agnostic or whatever but I think it's time I did some serious praying for your son...

28 posted on 10/15/2003 12:47:51 PM PDT by Argh (...It's spelled "cannibal".)
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To: Oorang
The next Knob Creek shoot will be in Spring 1994, April 09/10/11, though there are other somewhat lesser affairs [and some better suited to those with specialized weaponry interests] but you'll find details on the next Knob Creek Range shoot here:

There's also a videotap offering that'll give you some idea of what a weekend there is like here: *I*, *II*, *III*, and *IV*

Knob Creek Range

Knob Creek Shoot video

Knob Creek vacation pics:

gallery I

gallery II

gallery III

29 posted on 10/15/2003 1:27:24 PM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: humblegunner
Cool!
Sign me up for the next one.

There's no *signup* needed unless you'd care to enter one of the compeyition matches, not all of which are conducted with the buzzguns. But if you are so inclined, right here you go.

-archy-/-

30 posted on 10/15/2003 1:31:24 PM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Shooter 2.5
"anyone who can afford something like that probably has their own land."

Well, I was going to sell my house in order to buy one so I won't have any land to shoot on.

Seriously, please check some prices for me when you go.

Thanks, Shooter!

31 posted on 10/15/2003 1:41:26 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Shooter 2.5; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
"A golf course is a waste of a good gun range. "

I think it would be interesting to combine the two.

That would give new meaning to a golfer's concentration.

32 posted on 10/15/2003 1:44:42 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: TexasCowboy
Do y'all know where I can get a list of places in Texas which allows full auto shooting?

I'm seriously trying to buy a belt fed .30 or .50 caliber full auto.

There's a good ol' boy Texas MG dealer named Keith that's pretty heavily into the MAC 10 and .30 Brownings, and he should have a few ideas on ranges in your neck of the woods, too. Check out his website here, and drop Keith an e-mail for a list of the TX ranges he knows of. He's also been known to put on his own mini-shoots in Texas.

There's also a Texas dealer who sometimes has a .30 or two in stock with a website *here*. Link to his .30Browning MG and .50 Browning MG offerings at the links- his inventory changes frequently, of course.

-archy-/-

33 posted on 10/15/2003 1:47:15 PM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
I doubt shooting is in the immediate future

You have my sympathy...

34 posted on 10/15/2003 1:49:08 PM PDT by Argh
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To: TexasCowboy
Of course, what I really want is that quad-mounted .50!

There's an M55 mount I know of available for around ten grand, if it wasn't snapped up at this last KC shootemup fest. Add on 4 Browning .50s [or a pair of 20mm cannons like the Israelis do, or a 7,62 minigun or two like Mike Dillon of Dillon Reloading (ever wonder why he got into making machinery for reloading ammo for mass consumption? Now you know)] or high rate of fire M85 .50 calibers, and you'll be all set.

A pal of mine in Texas has got one, just the thing for use behind an Army *Mule* ATV.


35 posted on 10/15/2003 1:55:39 PM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: TexasCowboy
A golf course is a waste of a good gun range. "

I think it would be interesting to combine the two.

That would give new meaning to a golfer's concentration.

just as a small personal observation, I understand some of the foreigh mortars just a bit smaller than the American M19 60mm can be turned into very credible golfball launchers, some with a range in excess of 400 meters, offering an interesting possibility for the long fairways.

Hmmm, no wind...caddy, get the model 50-PM-40 out of the cart. Charge four....


36 posted on 10/15/2003 2:12:43 PM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: archy
Hey, arch!
That's a good Web site!

I was disappointed that most of what he has is sold, but I'll keep checking back on his inventory.

I went ahead and joined "Gun Girls" while I was there.
"...exciting defenders of the Second Amendment...."
LOL!

37 posted on 10/15/2003 2:33:15 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: archy
"There's an M55 mount I know of available for around ten grand,"

That's the tops of what I can spend, archy.
I figure if I work two jobs for the next fifty years, I can pay for what I buy.
A mount wouldn't do me a lot of good without the guns, though.

Hummm....maybe I can work three jobs!
Yeah, sleep is a waste of time, anyway.

38 posted on 10/15/2003 2:38:37 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: archy
"offering an interesting possibility for the long fairways."

I might be able to make a birdie on a par five with one of those.
Heck, if I could get a par I'd be happy!

I think the biggest test of concentration would be trying to sink a twenty foot putt with incoming flying over your head.

39 posted on 10/15/2003 2:42:25 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: TexasCowboy
"There's an M55 mount I know of available for around ten grand,"

That's the tops of what I can spend, archy. I figure if I work two jobs for the next fifty years, I can pay for what I buy. A mount wouldn't do me a lot of good without the guns, though.

Hummm....maybe I can work three jobs!
Yeah, sleep is a waste of time, anyway.

Sleep? Oh yeah the state I've visited for 5 hours in the last three days. Yeah, I remember what sleep was!

If you're on a 10 K budget, you might want to stick with magazine-fed toys, it can be hell having a hungry belt-fed weapon with nothing to feed it. But a lot of .30 shooters are running guns set up to use 8mm German ammo, now available pretty cheap at around .04/round or so, better than the dime-plus for 7,62 or .30-06 M2 ball.

Or you might consider getting into one of the belt-fed Browning .30 semiautos, which start off in the $1000-$1500 range- if nothing else, they make a good starting place for learning the Browning innards and they can be teamed with a full-auto gun on a twin-gun mount. The barrels, feed components and topcover of the semis remain unchanged and are still usable as spares in a full-auto gun. And the 8mm conversions ought to work in either.

And there is another possible way into the full-auto .50 world besides the Browning guns...might be cheaper in the long run, might not be.

-archy-/-

40 posted on 10/15/2003 2:52:17 PM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: archy
I just happen to know where Grapevine, Texas, is located.
I started to buy some land there one time - nice country.

I'll just make a run up there and talk to him.
Thanks, archy!

41 posted on 10/15/2003 2:52:25 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: archy
Well, I've got to get set up to reload the .50s, anyway.
As much as I like to shoot the Barrett, I can't afford the ammo, even at $2.00 a round off the Internet, and I sure can't afford match ammo at $4.50 a round!
I figure I can reload for less than a buck a round and make shooting a lot easier on the pocketbook.
That's the reason I was thinking about a .50 caliber belt fed.
I can probably stretch my budget to 15k if I see something I really like.
42 posted on 10/15/2003 3:27:10 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: TexasCowboy
What area are we talking about?

In the Dallas area for 1000 yard ranges their Tac-Pro and for subguns like I said there's my lease. That's it so far. I have to wait until the next gun show to start asking unless I try to call this one gun shop tomorrow. They might know of a place.

I'll see what I can do.
43 posted on 10/15/2003 3:35:27 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
I would think any place no further from Houston than Dallas would be okay.
The Bullet Hole Range in San Antonio has a machine gun range, but it's really small.
They really have no place of sufficient range to fire the .50 caliber. The round of the .50 doesn't even stabilize at 100 yards so I can't really tell what I'm doing.
Don't go to a lot of trouble, but whatever you can find out would be appreciated.
44 posted on 10/15/2003 4:07:15 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: archy
Hey, thanks!
I can't think of a better reason to travel and shoot
short of filling my freezer with venison.

Which happens in 17 days. ;-)

45 posted on 10/15/2003 4:33:01 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: TexasCowboy
The Bullet Hole Range in San Antonio has a machine gun range, but it's really small.

I'll attest to that, it's more like a pistol range.
But still a hell of a lot of fun all around.
When're we shooting again?

46 posted on 10/15/2003 4:35:50 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: TexasCowboy
If you want to go to Dallas, come on.

Pick any day of the week and I can take you to the lease. We can back up to 500. If you come on a Sunday, you can watch the machine gunners go nuts. Last Sunday they had a:

50 Barrel semi
supressed MP5
supressed 10/22
supressed 77/22
M-14 on auto
an auto 22 of some sort
MG42
AK on auto

Sunday is usually the big day for a lot of people. Fiveshooter and his monster revolvers is usually there on Sundays.

Sunday someone also brought a couple of those semi Brownings. I think they were in .30-06.
47 posted on 10/15/2003 4:40:08 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: humblegunner
"When're we shooting again?"

That's what I'm working on.
I thought I'd be on the rig by now, but it's flooded in South Texas and we can't move.
Maybe I can get us a shoot lined up before I go back to work.

Would Dallas be too far for everyone?

48 posted on 10/15/2003 6:00:17 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: TexasCowboy
Would Dallas be too far for everyone?

I think not and I need to go to Dallas anyway.

You call 'em, I'll haul 'em.

49 posted on 10/15/2003 6:14:33 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
Hey, thanks!
I can't think of a better reason to travel and shoot short of filling my freezer with venison.

Which happens in 17 days. ;-)

Good on ya! I've enjoyed getting out with a rifle for my last half-dozen years here in Tennessee, rather than the shotgun-only hunts I got used to after two decades in Indiana. But I'd *fill my freezer* about every other year there, and I've done no better nor worse here, so I'm certainly not complaining.

Any excuse to get away from offices and cell phones work for me, and I believe I'd go out even if I knew for certain in advance that I wouldn't be bringing any meat back.

-archy-/-

50 posted on 10/15/2003 6:52:25 PM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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