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It's 5150 Time!!!! Sammy Hagar Re-Joins Van Halen
Melodicrock.com ^ | 11-20-03 | my favorite headache

Posted on 11/19/2003 11:14:22 PM PST by My Favorite Headache

Thursday, November 20, 2003

VAN HALEN WILL RETURN IN 2004 - AT LONG LAST!: Van Halen is on the verge of a long awaited comeback. Long tortured fans are about to be put out of their misery, as the band looks ready to fire in 2004. Details are still sketchy as plans are still in the very early stages of development and are therefore continuing to change as issues are sorted through.

Sammy Hagar is set to return to his role as Van Halen's lead vocalist. Original frontman David Lee Roth is not associated with this re-union.

Here's what's been happening, pieced together from a couple of my well known and reliable sources.

It's not clear who initiated first contact. I was told that Eddie & Alex Van Halen called Sammy Hagar, while it was also suggested to me that it was Sammy that called the brothers out of the blue. Either way, contact was established and an attempt to bury the hatchet was made. Sammy Hagar then made a trip to Eddie's house and the 5150 studio. The idea was to see if Sammy, Ed and Alex could in fact put the events of the last 7 years behind them and work together again. It was also a chance for Sammy to hear the material that has so far been written and recorded by Eddie and Alex. I'm told there have since been a few more meetings – which were apparently both good and bad, but issues are being dealt with and a future discussed. Hagar has apparently already told members of his solo band of his plans to re-join Van Halen. Hagar's legal team is already in discussion with Van Halen's legal team.

I was told that bass player Michael Anthony was not present at the first meeting and I am not yet aware of him meeting again with Ed and Alex, who he hasn't talked to for a couple of years now. But I was told that Sammy has insisted that Michael is part of the re-union line-up.

There is no timetable in place as yet for this re-union. As I said, this is still in the very early stages of being developed. A few ideas are still being considered – such as playing a few shows to get things started before recording/finishing a brand new studio album. What is almost definite though are plans for a new studio album – hoped to be ready for mid-2004, but possibly not until late 2004 - followed by a tour.

News leaked overnight of the band's intention to sign a new management deal with Irving Azoff Management. Azoff's office has made the official "no comment" on the matter, but expect this high profile management company to confirm their equally high profile signing soon. Irving Azoff is a well known and powerful manager, who currently has The Eagles, Christina Aguilera, Seal, Jewel and of course Journey on his roster. Azoff has also been Sammy Hagar's solo manager for the last couple of years.

As far as record labels go, Warner Brothers still has a relationship with the band, given that every album they have released has been with the label. I'm told that they will certainly be the first in line to sign the band should everything work out as planned. Irving Azoff also has a strong relationship with the label. Sanctuary Records is being talked about as a possible home for the band, but don't expect that to happen. Hagar had a solo deal with that label, but only for the Greatest Hits Live release and a yet to eventuate re-issue of his solo albums Ten 13 and Not For Sale, which should still happen when the current deal with the two issuing labels for those albums finish.

Not so good news for fans of the Diamond one. David Lee Roth is apparently out of the picture. It seems another attempt to work with him was made after the denied at the time get together in 2000. Once again it didn't work out and the Van Halen brothers have seemingly ruled out any future attempt to work with him. This is the first contact the brothers have had with Hagar since he departed the band in a storm of ill-feeling in 1996.

Planet Us, the all-star project featuring Sammy Hagar, Michael Anthony, Neal Schon, Deen Castronovo and Joe Satriani is all but over – and has been for some time. The project has been left in the hands of guitarist Schon and drummer Castronovo. One rumor is that Neal Schon is still interested in such an album and has another singer in mind. The guys only recorded two tracks together – Vertigo and Peeping Through A Hole – neither of which has been released officially.

There is still more to come. I had planned to gather more information over the course of this week and the weekend, but the leaked news of the Azoff management deal by the music industry website Hits Daily Double has moved the timetable forward. A new Greatest Hits album was one of the rumors leaked in association with the management news. But, to date I have heard no mention of such a plan, unless the band wants to get something into the public's hands while they work on a new studio record. I personally do not see such a thing happening. Could it be time for the Van Hagar CD re-masters to be re-issued?

This is a slowly developing situation and of course, nothing has been announced officially. When this will happen is another major question. The answer is one I hope to bring to you in due course, along with further developments and details of any firm plans that have been put in place. It's nice to be able to bring such positive news to long suffering Van Halen fans. It's news I have the utmost confidence in.


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1 posted on 11/19/2003 11:14:22 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
"Real" music returns
2 posted on 11/19/2003 11:15:54 PM PST by geege
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To: My Favorite Headache
Hel-lo, bay-bee!
3 posted on 11/19/2003 11:17:37 PM PST by Skibane
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To: My Favorite Headache
Great, more grandpa rock.

Does Eddie need another new hip or something?
4 posted on 11/19/2003 11:17:46 PM PST by Sabretooth (I'm not SabERtooth, Im SabREtooth.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
The Van Halens are running low on dough. That's what I read. Remember those Eddie photos a few years ago at a golf tournament? Where he looks like a homeless bum? I know the poor guy has had some med. problems...
5 posted on 11/19/2003 11:20:09 PM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: My Favorite Headache
WOOHOO!!!

Somebody get me a doctor!!!

6 posted on 11/19/2003 11:20:57 PM PST by mitch5501 (by the grace of God,I am what I am)
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To: My Favorite Headache
All joking aside, is Eddie expected to live that long. He looked like he had one foot in the grave in the last couple of photos I have seen.
7 posted on 11/19/2003 11:21:43 PM PST by flying Elvis
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There is no Van Halen without David Lee Roth.
8 posted on 11/19/2003 11:22:38 PM PST by meanie monster (hooked on phonics werked for me.)
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To: meanie monster
"Fair Warning" was my fav
9 posted on 11/19/2003 11:24:15 PM PST by geege
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To: geege
Lord...strike that poor boy down!!!
10 posted on 11/19/2003 11:25:00 PM PST by teldon30
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To: meanie monster
There is no Van Halen without David Lee Roth.

You got that right !!
11 posted on 11/19/2003 11:25:27 PM PST by Peace will be here soon (RWC 2003 !! GO WALLABIES !!!!!!! Who`s that one guy England has ??? Wilkerson or something?)
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To: geege
Yeppers, David Lee is a modern day Frank Sinatra, IMO.
12 posted on 11/19/2003 11:25:38 PM PST by meanie monster (hooked on phonics werked for me.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Just damn, David. Give it up already.

13 posted on 11/19/2003 11:25:38 PM PST by martin_fierro (_____oooo_(____)_oooo_____)
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To: meanie monster
I dunno if he recorded it with Van Halen, but Roth's "Just a Gigolo" is one of the funniest songs I've ever heard.
14 posted on 11/19/2003 11:26:11 PM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) (Ashley Wilkes to Dave Asman: "You cannot speak that way to General Clark!!")
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To: meanie monster
I wonder how he's doing.....I heard some of his past solo work wasn't so hot....He also didn't age too well....but he was entertaining when I saw him back in the 80's....loved that "brand new Oakland scarf":0)
15 posted on 11/19/2003 11:30:18 PM PST by geege
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
All I know about Haggar is that he can't drive 55, lol.
16 posted on 11/19/2003 11:30:58 PM PST by meanie monster (hooked on phonics werked for me.)
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To: Sabretooth
Lol. I feel the same way. Eddie is rad, but not the same since he put the bottle down, or since Dave left for that matter...And Dave acts like a total flamer these days.

Sammy was always better on his own anyway.

Give it a rest I say.
17 posted on 11/19/2003 11:35:34 PM PST by Pro-Bush (Homeland Security + Tom Ridge = Open Borders --> Demand Change!)
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To: My Favorite Headache
>>>Sammy Hagar Re-Joins Van Halen<<<

you mean Sammy Hagar Re-Joins Van Hagar, don't you?
18 posted on 11/19/2003 11:37:27 PM PST by BBell
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To: My Favorite Headache
This is amazing!

Journey is still around?!

19 posted on 11/19/2003 11:40:54 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Peace will be here soon
I agree also! I always despised Van Hagar, nothing matched the musicality of Van Halen when Roth was singing.
20 posted on 11/19/2003 11:44:39 PM PST by egarvue (Martin Sheen is not my president...)
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To: egarvue
Dave or the grave.
21 posted on 11/19/2003 11:54:32 PM PST by mysterio
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To: My Favorite Headache
I'd have settled for a reunion with Valerie! hubba hubba
22 posted on 11/19/2003 11:55:54 PM PST by Fledermaus (Nazis, Stalinist, Totalitarians, Fascist, Maoist, Baathist, Democrats...what's the difference?)
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To: martin_fierro
That is soooooo sad....
23 posted on 11/19/2003 11:58:47 PM PST by flashbunny (Putting the 'free' back in free republic. It doesn't just mean that there's no charge to use it.)
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To: Fledermaus
I'm just listening to "Dark Side of the Moon" ...what do I know?
24 posted on 11/19/2003 11:59:09 PM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: My Favorite Headache
LOL
and America struggles with its raging indifference
25 posted on 11/20/2003 12:03:11 AM PST by wafflehouse (the hell you say!)
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To: My Favorite Headache
I gotta tell ya, Van Halen III was one of the lamest recordings ever put together by talented people who weren't trying deliberately putting out a crappy product to wrap up a contract with a record company (see Here, My Dear by Marvin Gaye, and Metal Machine Music by Lou Reed).

Hopefully, the turmoil in the lives of the brothers will inspire the great music that often results from bad times (Back In Black, Layla, "Ohio" and "Let's Roll," Tragic Kingdom, "Cleaning Out My Closet," etc.)

26 posted on 11/20/2003 12:07:23 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: egarvue
I agree also! I always despised Van Hagar, nothing matched the musicality of Van Halen when Roth was singing.

Roth never sang. He shrieked. He howled. He wailed. But he never once sang.

27 posted on 11/20/2003 12:08:33 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Journey is still around?!

Yep. Had several concerts last year.

28 posted on 11/20/2003 12:10:21 AM PST by clee1 (Where's the beef???)
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To: L.N. Smithee
Roth can SING circles around Hagar!
29 posted on 11/20/2003 12:11:12 AM PST by meanie monster (hooked on phonics werked for me.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
all I can say is...

WANGO TANGO !!!!

...thank you.

30 posted on 11/20/2003 12:11:39 AM PST by Khurkris (Ranger On...currently posting from outside of CONUS.)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
I dunno if he recorded it with Van Halen, but Roth's "Just a Gigolo" is one of the funniest songs I've ever heard.

Roth recorded "Just a Gigolo" on the Crazy From The Heat four-song EP with Edgar Winter on sax, and some studio musicians. No one from Van Halen was involved, but it was produced by VH's favorite producer, Ted ("Come on Dave, gimme a break") Templeman.

It was a decent song, but the fact of the matter is that Roth didn't have an original lick on that record -- it was a 100% copy of the original Louis Prima version.

31 posted on 11/20/2003 12:13:31 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: L.N. Smithee
But it was Roth's voice singing, correct? Nuff said....
32 posted on 11/20/2003 12:18:55 AM PST by meanie monster (hooked on phonics werked for me.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Hagar's legal team is already in discussion with Van Halen's legal team.

Just takes some of the magic away, doesn't it? Think they can manage another 5150 or OU812?
33 posted on 11/20/2003 12:24:06 AM PST by kenth
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To: meanie monster
Roth can SING circles around Hagar!

Oh, brother. I am having high school flashbacks.

Can you please tell me one Roth tune in which he comes close to Hagar's performance on "Remember The Heroes" (VOA album)?

Look, I am not putting Roth down because I don't think he can sing. Ozzy Osbourne can't sing either. Neither could Bon Scott, and Rod Stewart, who's been around for a period spanning five decades, only learned to sing well in the last fifteen years or so. Lemmy of Motorhead always sounds like he's trying to gargle and sing at the same time. Gary Cherone is a better singer than all of them, but, as I said earlier, the VH III CD was dreadful.

There was a manic energy to Van Halen was Roth was the front man that was lost when Sammy took over. But before you blame Sammy, remember that when Dave got his own all-star band, (Steve Vai from Zappa, Billy Sheehan from Talas, Gregg Bissonette from Count Basie's band) they didn't have any decent songs.

C'mon, be honest. What would you rather listen to if you were on a desert island and were only allowed one CD? For Unknown Carnal Knowledge, or Eat 'Em & Smile?

34 posted on 11/20/2003 12:28:57 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: Khurkris
all I can say is... WANGO TANGO !!!! ...thank you.

I believe he is telling the truth when he says he has never done dope, but after listening to "Wango Tango," you wanna give him a urine test. "Pretend your face is a Maserati...get a little talcum, I'm gonna borrow it from Malcolm..."

35 posted on 11/20/2003 12:39:20 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Why bring back Van Hagar?

Saw Van Hagar in summer of 1986 at the Meadowlands Arena. Bad feedback echoing off the ceiling. I think too Eddie screwed up with one of his guitar intros. He sat down at the end of the stage and played acoustic. Weird progression because it sounded like Intro to Little Guitars, Eruption, Intro to Fools, and Shave and A Haircut Two Bits mixed together with a little road fatigue--kidding! It sounded a tad worse. He faired much better launching into his Casio solos with wild abandon (sarcasm). Wished I saw Van Halen in their glory!

I recall Hagar walking along a network of catwalks up in the nosebleed section with him slapping his guitar and screeching a few Hagar ditties like, umm something about one way to rock, and, umm I can't sing -sorry-drive 55, and umm Your love keeps something me crazy? But when Hagar dared to sing a Roth tune I shook my head and thought, "Stop! Please someone call up Roth and get him over here QUICK! And take that guitar away, Hagar's gonna hurt himself up there."

So I later saw David Lee Roth at MSG to compare bands. Roth was an excellent showman and was in fine form vocally. He worked the crowd from the nosebleeds to the front of the stage. Felt like one big party. I remember this enormous airbag microphone which was improvised as only Roth could improvise. At one point he rode the thing like a horse. Speaking of horse, Steve Vai was awesome! IMHO HE BLEW AWAY OLD and NEW EDDIE. Too bad Vai left for his solo projects and Roth was overcome with excess.

I have no use for Van Hagar or Van Extreme. It's all about ego and pride between the original Van Halen boys. Something not said is really at the root of the entire problem. And pretty soon they'll be another one of those bands that have a reunion in their 60's to pay off the collection agency.

People will pay to see the original band. It's what the people really want. Why can't they let the show go on?
36 posted on 11/20/2003 12:52:15 AM PST by sully777 (We came here to entertain you/leaving here we agrivate you/don't you know it means the same for me?)
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To: wafflehouse; mysterio
LOL ... and America struggles with its raging indifference

I love threads like this that rampage forward for hours on end over issues of absolutely zero consequences. I hope it ends up with 600 posts. Hell, I hope it ends up with 6000.

That said, I side with mysterio: Dave or the grave. But if a new Van Hagar album actually results in singles that make it to the Top 40 and disrupts the circle jerk that it modern popular music (choice 1: hip-hop; choice 2: tattoo-laden pseudo-angry shirtless teenage suburban allegedly-"punk" screechers), then I'm all for it. ANYTHING to break the monotony monopoly.

37 posted on 11/20/2003 12:58:56 AM PST by Timesink (I'm not a big fan of electronic stuff, you know? Beeps ... beeps freak me out. They're bad.)
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To: kenth
I hope so...I love all Hagar era Halen. With Humans Being they were really getting to a new place...and then it all fell apart. The bonus track from Balance "Crossing Over" was brilliant.
38 posted on 11/20/2003 12:59:17 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (I Want A Girlfriend)
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To: geege
Amen
39 posted on 11/20/2003 12:59:37 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (I Want A Girlfriend)
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To: Skibane
Straight up to her lunchpail
40 posted on 11/20/2003 12:59:56 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (I Want A Girlfriend)
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To: Khurkris
What is the inspiration for Terminus Eldorado? Anyone know? Is Ted a Freeper?
41 posted on 11/20/2003 1:00:14 AM PST by sully777 (Bye bye baby!)
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To: dennisw
Yeah,I posted that article on FR too the cancer one. He is on Steve Luthaker's new Christmas cd playing on 3 tracks...it is decent. Van Halen is what this country needs right now...and desperately.
42 posted on 11/20/2003 1:00:55 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (I Want A Girlfriend)
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To: martin_fierro
LOL..I saw the Sam and Dave tour 2 yrs ago...Dave is sooooo over. Sammy rocked the house with Michael Anthony on bass.
43 posted on 11/20/2003 1:01:49 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (I Want A Girlfriend)
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To: Timesink
Hey between this and the 30th Anniversary Rush tour starting in April...im gonna be broke. Oh yeah and the new Dream Theater.
44 posted on 11/20/2003 1:03:00 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (I Want A Girlfriend)
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To: L.N. Smithee
Isn't it "For UNLAWFUL Carnal Knowledge" ?

I choose Eat Em and Smile. IMO Tobacco Road was masterful. Honestly, VH songs historically have been knock-offs. Some of their best stuff is old R&B material. True, Hagar brought his song writing abilities to Van Hagar but what can you say about a song dedicated to aliens? And speaking of Hagar taking a musical que from others, will someone tell me why Hagar hasn't been sued by Gary Glitter's people for stealing Rock And Roll for Hagar's Mash Tequila? Same music!
45 posted on 11/20/2003 1:11:53 AM PST by sully777 (ad absurdum)
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To: meanie monster
There is no Van Halen without David Lee Roth.

Precisely. Now it's just the cheap knockoff, Van Hagar.

46 posted on 11/20/2003 1:12:04 AM PST by Prime Choice (Conservative: One who doesn't believe that turning the U.S. into a third-world nation is 'progress'.)
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To: LisaMalia
I'm just listening to "Dark Side of the Moon" ...what do I know?

And on a related note, Pink Floyd stopped being Pink Floyd when Roger Waters left. After that, it was just Pink Gilmour with a Buttload of Studio Musicians.

47 posted on 11/20/2003 1:14:20 AM PST by Prime Choice (Conservative: One who doesn't believe that turning the U.S. into a third-world nation is 'progress'.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Diamond Dave is missing some hairs on his head but is in great shape for his age. Martial arts etc.

He's Jewish/ born in Roxbury Massachussets.
48 posted on 11/20/2003 1:25:34 AM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Dave is the only real deal w/VanH though I like and respect SammyH and his fighting spirit.
49 posted on 11/20/2003 1:27:24 AM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: sully777
Van Hagar was sluggo, dreadfully dull, Mud Rock.

Texas Stadium, 1979-80: Van Halen II. Dave was the star of the show. All over the place, told jokes (that were actually funny), rebel yells, drank booze from the bottle. Wore those red and white striped pants. THAT was a show.

Oh, yeah, and the band backed him up, too.

When Dave left, he took the cajones with him.

50 posted on 11/20/2003 4:07:21 AM PST by Churchjack
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