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Not Goblins and Orcs This Time: ‘Gimli’ Defends Western Civilization
National Catholic Register ^ | 15 December 2003 | Steven D. Greydanus

Posted on 12/15/2003 3:14:11 PM PST by big'ol_freeper

At a recent get-together with the cast of The Lord of the Rings, perhaps the most passionate observations came from John Rhys-Davies.

He’s the actor who plays the dwarf Gimli, the proud defender of the ancient ways of the dwarfs, who know or thing or two about the collapse of civilizations: The dwarf civilization was left in ruins, as The Fellowship of the Ring, the first Lord of the Rings movie, made clear as the company of the ring struggled through the Mines of Moria.

He’s also the actor who gave his voice to Treebeard the Ent in The Two Towers, the second Lord of the Rings movie. The Ents are also a dying civilization that is being attacked by the Orc forces of the wizard Saruman.

Now, as The Return of the King is poised for its Dec. 17 release, Davies warns that his own civilization is under attack. Only now, it’s the Western civilization he’s defending, and he sees radical Islam as the attacker.

(Excerpt) Read more at catholic.net ...


TOPICS: Religion; Society; The Hobbit Hole
KEYWORDS: civilization; islam; lordoftherings

1 posted on 12/15/2003 3:14:12 PM PST by big'ol_freeper
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To: ecurbh
Ping!
2 posted on 12/15/2003 3:21:29 PM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Prof Engineer
Pssst.
3 posted on 12/15/2003 3:24:59 PM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: 2Jedismom; 300winmag; Alkhin; Alouette; ambrose; Anitius Severinus Boethius; artios; AUsome Joy; ...

Ring Ping!!
There and Back Again: The Journeys of Flat Frodo

Anyone wishing to be added to or removed from the Ring-Ping list, please don't hesitate to let me know.

4 posted on 12/15/2003 4:53:50 PM PST by ecurbh (There's gonna be a hobbit wedding!)
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To: Deb
Ping
5 posted on 12/15/2003 5:09:50 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: big'ol_freeper
Great article....

I think he more than cancels out Viggo.
6 posted on 12/15/2003 5:16:10 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Anyone want some more soup?)
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To: HairOfTheDog
DOH!
7 posted on 12/15/2003 5:28:13 PM PST by Professional Engineer (...I'm not dead yet... I'm getting better. /Python)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hear Hear!!! DITTOS

Mr. Davies, if you read this, THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART! WESTERN CIVILIZATION AND HISTORY IS MORE THAN WORTHY TO DEFEND. IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE UPHOLD IT.

It never ceases to amaze me that those who support communism and socialism and every antithesis to the ideals of Western culture while enjoying the benefits of Western culture are adamant to the point of nihilism. Do people hate themselves THAT much?

8 posted on 12/15/2003 5:38:55 PM PST by Alkhin (He thinks I need keeping in order.)
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To: Lil'freeper; ecurbh; HairOfTheDog; Professional Engineer; RMDupree; Wneighbor; Ramius; g'nad; ...
But if it involves the replacement of Western civilization with a different civilization with different cultural values, then it is something we really ought to discuss — because, hang it all, I am for dead-white-male culture!

I would think that after this that dwarves will be shown a little more respect.

9 posted on 12/15/2003 5:54:52 PM PST by Corin Stormhands ("Ladies and gentlemen, we got him!")
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To: Corin Stormhands
Well at least there's one actor in the movie with a grain of sense in his head.

Go dwarves!
Or is it dwarfs?
10 posted on 12/15/2003 5:59:20 PM PST by Sam Cree (democrats are herd animals)
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To: Corin Stormhands
The Dwarf is a suspect? GET THE DWARF!
11 posted on 12/15/2003 6:03:16 PM PST by Professional Engineer (...I'm not dead yet... I'm getting better. /Python)
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To: big'ol_freeper
I love this article! My Dad gets NCR, so I actually read this last Friday, but I'm really glad you posted it for us!

JRD is one of the good guys, for sure.
12 posted on 12/15/2003 6:27:34 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: big'ol_freeper
Gimli towers over Aragorn.
13 posted on 12/15/2003 6:28:25 PM PST by Faraday
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To: ecurbh
And I bet he won't be invited on Charlie Rose's show to counter Viggo's 'no blood for oil' rants, but he's my hero :)
14 posted on 12/15/2003 7:23:50 PM PST by Maigret
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To: Alkhin
"It never ceases to amaze me that those who support communism and socialism and every antithesis to the ideals of Western culture while enjoying the benefits of Western culture are adamant to the point of nihilism. Do people hate themselves THAT much?" -Alkhin

I'm not so sure that it is a matter of "hate" so much as "envy"...

15 posted on 12/15/2003 10:12:07 PM PST by MayDay72 (Socialism enslaves. Free markets liberate.)
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To: BibChr
FYI: we were uninvited to the Paris premiere because Peter feared JRD would insult the French. A good bet.
16 posted on 12/15/2003 10:33:47 PM PST by Deb (My Tag Skies to Gotham & Con-Fabs With Net Prexies)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Great piece! John Rhys-Davies is a brave man -- considering that Hollywood is dominated by intolerant liberals. He has the courage to say things that even so-called conservatives will not discuss.

“If it just means the replacement of one genetic stock with another genetic stock, that doesn’t matter too much. But if it involves the replacement of Western civilization with a different civilization with different cultural values, then it is something we really ought to discuss — because, hang it all, I am for dead-white-male culture!”

I don't agree here. I think that if you replace the genetic stock by definition you are replacing the civilization.

17 posted on 12/15/2003 10:44:37 PM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: Siamese Princess
I think that if you replace the genetic stock by definition you are replacing the civilization.

Quite incorrect, although you certainly have the right to be wrong. :)

Today Western civilization is being bravely defended in Iraq by Americans of European, East Asian, Native American and African ancestries, and various mixtures thereof. Are they any less members of that civilization because they are not all of pure European ancestry?

18 posted on 12/15/2003 11:22:26 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Deb
<< FYI: we were uninvited to the Paris premiere because Peter feared JRD would insult the French. A good bet. >>

LOL; thanks for the first laugh of the day.

I wish I could get the chance to meet you guys some day. It's a pleasure "knowing" you!

Dan
(c8
19 posted on 12/16/2003 7:09:00 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: big'ol_freeper; Corin Stormhands; Alkhin
WOW!

I nearly skipped this article, but I am sure glad I didn't. Right On JRD!

“I think that Tolkien says that some generations will be challenged,” Rhys-Davies said, “and if they do not rise to meet that challenge, they will lose their civilization. That does have a real resonance with me.”

Resonance indeed! Exactly what we are living through right now....

sniff... makes me proud to be a dwarf.....

DEFENDERS OF CIVILIZATION


20 posted on 12/16/2003 8:46:04 AM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic (All's well that ends well...)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Good article. Thanks for the heads up.
21 posted on 12/16/2003 11:34:43 AM PST by radiohead
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To: Mr. Silverback
PING!
22 posted on 12/16/2003 2:03:23 PM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic (All's well that ends well...)
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To: Siobhan; Maeve; narses; Aquinasfan; Salvation; RnMomof7; ganesha; monkeyshine; CCWoody; ...
Sane actor ping

http://www.catholic.net/us_catholic_news/template_article.phtml?channel_id=1&article_id=619

Now, as The Return of the King is poised for its Dec. 17 release, [John Rhys-] Davies warns that his own civilization is under attack. Only now, it’s the Western civilization he’s defending, and he sees radical Islam as the attacker.

Rhys-Davies took the media to task for failing to appreciate the preciousness of Western civilization. He warned of the potential consequences of rising Muslim extremism and the increasingly Islamic face of Europe.

“I think that Tolkien says that some generations will be challenged,” Rhys-Davies said, “and if they do not rise to meet that challenge, they will lose their civilization. That does have a real resonance with me.”

“What is unconscionable is that too many of your fellow journalists do not understand how precarious Western civilization is, and what a jewel it is. … The abolition of slavery comes from Western democracy,” Rhys-Davies added. “True democracy comes from our Greco-Judeo-Christian Western experience. If we lose these things, then this is a catastrophe for the world.”

Rhys-Davies said as far back as 1955 his father predicted “the next world war will be between Islam and the West.”

The actor recalled his response: “I said to him, ‘Dad, you’re nuts! The Crusades have been over for hundreds of years!’ And he said, ‘Well, I know, but militant Islam is on the rise again. And you will see it in your lifetime.’ He’s been dead some years now. But there’s not a day that goes by that I don’t think of him and think, ‘God, I wish you were here, just so I could tell you that you were right.’”

Looking at the lone female journalist at the table, Rhys-Davies said pointedly, “You should not be in this room [according to Muslim custom]. Because your husband or your father or your husband is not here to guide you. You could only be here in this room with these strange men for immoral purposes.”

Rhys-Davies went on to contemplate the significance of demographic shifts among Western Europeans and Muslims in Europe.

“There is a demographic catastrophe happening in Europe that nobody wants to talk about, that we daren’t bring up because we are so cagey about not offending people racially,” he said. “And rightly we should be. But there is a cultural thing as well. … By 2020, 50% of the children in Holland under the age of 18 will be of Muslim descent.” He even drew attention to the birth dearth in the West.

“And don’t forget, coupled with this there is this collapse of numbers,” he said. “Western Europeans are not having any babies. The population of Germany at the end of the century is going to be 56% of what it is now. The population of France, 52% of what it is now. The population of Italy is going to be down 7 million people.”

23 posted on 12/17/2003 1:27:25 AM PST by Dajjal
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"There is a demographic catastrophe happening in Europe that nobody wants to talk about, that we daren’t bring up because we are so cagey about not offending people racially,” he said. “And rightly we should be. But there is a cultural thing as well. … By 2020, 50% of the children in Holland under the age of 18 will be of Muslim descent.” He even drew attention to the birth dearth in the West.

“And don’t forget, coupled with this there is this collapse of numbers,” he said. “Western Europeans are not having any babies. The population of Germany at the end of the century is going to be 56% of what it is now. The population of France, 52% of what it is now. The population of Italy is going to be down 7 million people.”

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24 posted on 12/17/2003 5:47:12 AM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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25 posted on 12/17/2003 6:56:34 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Hillary is a TRAITOR !!: http://Richard.Meek.home.comcast.net/HitlerTraitor6.JPG)
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To: Dajjal
Great post. Good to know an actor who has appeared in 2 of my all time favorite films (Raiders and LoTR) is also a person with a keen intellect who can see the changes in society so clearly.
26 posted on 12/17/2003 4:55:15 PM PST by optik_b
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To: TigersEye
Just found this.
27 posted on 01/05/2004 2:32:37 AM PST by .30Carbine
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To: RaceBannon; Dutchy
Ring ping!
28 posted on 01/06/2004 9:38:30 PM PST by nutmeg (Is the DemocRATic party extinct yet?)
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Well ! Interesting post. Bu-bye, White Wizard Troll !!

If ya'll are interested in his rant on 'the enemy within', I can copy and Freep mail it. Interesting.


30 posted on 06/20/2004 4:42:59 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Call me the Will Rogers voter: I never met a Democrat I didn't like - to vote OUT OF POWER !)
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