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When UFOs Arrive
www.popularmechanics.com ^ | February 2004 | BY JIM WILSON

Posted on 02/11/2004 9:41:52 AM PST by Momaw Nadon

The U.S. and other world governments already have detailed secret plans for first contact.

When UFOs land, a series of plans created to deal with nuclear emergencies and biological attacks will be activated.

Within the scientific community, the question is no longer whether extraterrestrial life exists, but if ET is smart enough to do long division. Scientists are of two minds regarding the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence. Skeptics acknowledge simple life-forms might be found on other planets, but insist that intelligent life is unique to Earth. Their belief is based on the assumption that Earth possesses unique physical attributes, including a magnetic field that deflects cosmic rays and a moon that absorbs asteroids. Together, these protective features make Earth a rare safe harbor--one that nurtured the evolution of primitive life-forms into intelligent beings. The opposing camp sees the prospect for discovering alien life in more mathematical terms. Its touchstone is the Drake Equation, which links the probability of discovering extraterrestrial intelligence to factors such as the size of the universe and the number of stars with earthlike planets. With the discovery of each new planet beyond Earth's solar system--there are now more than 100--the odds of encountering intelligent alien life increase. Governments and international organizations around the world have taken notice of the changing odds. No governmental official has gone on record claiming that UFOs are real, let alone a threat. Yet with little public fanfare, they have begun preparing for the single most important event in human history: first contact. That is, the moment earthlings discover incontrovertible proof that they are not alone.

Early Warning
Unless ET materializes from another dimension in the middle of the Super Bowl, humans most likely will have some advance warning of its arrival. How much time we get to straighten up for extraterrestrial company depends upon who spots ET first.

The privately funded SETI Institute uses radio telescopes owned by observatories around the world to sweep the sky for signals broadcast by advanced civilizations. If ET has read Emily Post, or her intergalactic equivalent, and calls ahead, we could have years, even decades, to prepare for first contact. Unfortunately, the current SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) project can afford to look at only small swatches of the sky, so any extraterrestrial courtesy calls probably will be missed.

A more likely scenario is that the U.S. Air Force would spot ET's spacecraft as it traverses the void between the Earth and the moon. Using powerful radar and optical telescopes in Hawaii, Greenland, Florida and the Indian Ocean, the Air Force Space Command tracks satellites, monitors missile launches, and spots baseball- and larger-size bits of orbiting debris with the hope of preventing it from perforating a space shuttle or the International Space Station. If ET turns up on Space Command's radar, it would mean the alien visitors are only hours or minutes away.

A Proposed Welcoming Committee

The International Academy of Astronautics in Paris maintains a list of volunteers willing to help world governments if ET arrives. Most are astronomers. Here is the team that PM would prefer to see on the job. Shown counterclockwise from the center are: Sen. John Glenn, American Representative. As the first American to orbit the Earth and an elected political leader, the senator is the obvious choice to lead the American delegation. Frank Drake, Science Officer. Creator of the Drake Equation and a driving force behind the SETI project, Drake would represent the world's scientific community. Hal Puthoff, Powerplant Engineering. An expert on zero-point energy, a means of extracting limitless power from the quantum vacuum without violating the known laws of physics, Puthoff would understand how ET powers its craft.

Sheila E. Widnall, Weapons Systems. A Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor who served as Secretary of the Air Force in the 1990s, Widnall would be able to assess ET's weapons. Ning Li, Propulsion Systems. A former NASA scientist, Li devised the theory that explains how the electromagnetic force that we use every day might also be harnessed to manipulate gravity. Perhaps ET uses similar technology. K. Eric Drexler, Structural Systems. A trailblazer in the now fast-growing field of nanotechnology--building materials atom by atom--Drexler pioneered the idea of smart materials, which ET would doubtlessly also use in its craft. Jane Goodall, Communications Officer. Having devoted her life to the study of chimpanzees, primatologist Goodall has proved her ability to communicate with intelligent nonhumans.

Countdown To Contact
The broad-brush outline for Earth's response to the first alien encounter is set out in an international agreement called the "Declaration of Principles Concerning Activities Following the Detection of Extraterrestrial Intelligence." Written by a committee of scientists organized by the SETI Institute, the declaration spells out what astronomers should do, and what they should avoid doing, immediately after first contact.

Perhaps the most surprising aspect of the agreement is that astronomers who sign on to the declaration agree to keep the news of an imminent contact under their hat until the astronomy community and authorities have been notified.

The declaration also establishes fairly specific guidelines regarding the protection of the radio frequencies that alien civilizations might use to communicate with Earth. As soon as a radio signal is confirmed as originating from an extraterrestrial source, the International Telecommunications Union would ask governments around the world to forbid use of that portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. It is hoped that ET will have sufficiently studied human habits to understand that calling earthlings on the frequencies used for microwave ovens and garage door openers will be interpreted as a belligerent act.

Close Encounter
Around 1999 the first contact protocols were put to the test. For 12 hours, SETI astronomers marveled at the prospect that their golden moment had arrived. A signal that repeated in an organized pattern was detected beaming straight at the Earth from 1 million miles in space.

The first priority was to alert radio astronomers around the world to redirect their telescopes. The signal from the distant stationary object quickly faded as the relentless rotation of the Earth swept it out of the telescope's listening range. Douglas Vakoch, the SETI Institute's social scientist responsible for preparing Earth's reply to an extraterrestrial message, tells POPULAR MECHANICS what happened next: "At this point, all of our discussions were internal to our team. We didn't want to cry wolf. Then, in the midst of the process, we get a call from The New York Times." So much for the secrecy provision of the SETI protocol. Within hours, the story evaporated. The SETI team identified the mystery signal as a data transmission from SOHO, a sun-watching observatory on an almost-stationary orbit about 1 million miles from Earth.

Vakoch says he was not surprised that the story of the possible alien contact leaked so quickly. "These guidelines have no legal force. They have been drafted in the hope of getting broader discussion."

As far as the U.S. government is concerned, that discussion started and ended more than 40 years ago. Regardless of how the world's astronomy community might want to handle first contact, Uncle Sam has ideas of his own. And they rest on the assumption that ET is first and foremost an illegal alien.

Presumed Dangerous
The question of how humanity might react to its first contact with intelligent aliens was officially raised in the late 1950s by the then newly created National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). Curious as to how discoveries about the origin of the universe might affect society as a whole, NASA contracted with the Brookings Institution, a leading think tank, to research the question. Only a small part of its 100-page answer, which came to be known as "The Brookings Report," dealt with alien encounter. But it contained a stern warning. "Anthropological files contain many examples of societies, sure of their place in the universe, which have disintegrated when they had to associate with previously unfamiliar societies espousing different ideas and different life ways; others that survived such an experience usually did so by paying the price of changes in values and attitudes and behavior."

In 1972, as engineers prepared the first space mission that would travel outside of Earth's solar system, NASA decided to ignore warnings in the 1960 "Brookings Report" about the dangers inherent in contact with an advanced alien race. Instead, the space agency sent an invitation for extraterrestrials to visit Earth. A gold-anodized aluminum plaque engraved with a map showing the location of Earth was attached to the Pioneer 10 spacecraft. When it sent its last message, in January 2003, it was more than 7 billion miles along on a trip that will take it to the star Aldebaran.

State Of Emergency
If ET turns up at NASA's doorstep bearing that invitation, it is in for a surprise. Instead of getting a handshake from the head of NASA, it will be handcuffed by an FBI agent dressed in a Biosafety Level 4 suit. Instead of sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom at the White House, the alien will be whisked away to the Department of Agriculture's Animal Disease Center on Plum Island, off the coast of New York's Long Island. Here it will be poked and probed by doctors from the National Institutes of Health. A Department of Energy (DOE) Nuclear Emergency Search Team (NEST) will tow away its spacecraft.

Unfriendly as this welcome may seem, it is the chain of events that most likely will follow the visitor's arrival. Unique as the appearance of an alien-piloted spacecraft may be, the event incorporates elements of three situations familiar to federal emergency response workers: a plane crash, the release of radioactive material, and the capture of an animal suspected of harboring a contagious disease. Responsibilities in these situations are spelled out in Presidential Executive Orders.

Unless it is spewing exhaust, the craft would be assumed to be nuclear powered. This determination would put NEST technicians in charge of securing the craft and moving it to a DOE facility, most likely in New Mexico, where it would be in close proximity to the Sandia and Los Alamos nuclear laboratories and the White Sands Missile Range. International agreements also put NEST on call if the craft lands out of the United States, as happened in 1978 when a Soviet satellite leaking nuclear fuel landed in the Canadian wilderness.

NEST, however, would operate in the background. In a nuclear emergency, the FBI is put in charge of public safety, public health and public information. Those, at least, are the plans. How things might actually turn out is anyone's guess.

Skeptics often ask why UFO sightings seem to take place only in remote locations instead of on busy city streets. Perhaps ET knows what earthlings have in mind when it lands.


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To: Chris Talk
The asteroids have no gold, that is only on Earth. In any usable quantities. Heavy metals nowhere near surface elsewhere. In THIS SS, at least.

I'm not sure we know enough about the composition of the rest of the solar system to know whether this is true or not. Do you have a source?

351 posted on 02/12/2004 8:10:54 AM PST by Modernman ("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
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To: CougarGA7
Actually, the cook book thing comes from "How to serve man"
either "The Outer Limits" or Twilight-Zone"...


8^)
352 posted on 02/12/2004 8:56:57 AM PST by The SISU kid (I'm the swizzle stick in the cocktail of life)
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To: Cvengr
This is extremely fascinating stuff here. I like this alot. It explains why our government is hiding these demons from us. Explains a lot of things.

I remember when my brother was chased by these things while driving home several years back. On account of his story which my mom (who also witnessed them too) told me later, I told her to tell him to pray because those things he encountered were demons. And that he needed to push them away very much. It is not so much that he be afraid of them but that he rebuke them in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. I don't know if my mom ever passed that info to him. My mom, being Catholic, seems to believe that praying to the mother Mary is more divine than that of Jesus Christ. She also doesn't have much faith in God very much.

353 posted on 02/12/2004 9:22:39 AM PST by goldilucky
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To: CaptSkip
[grin]

I love that movie. Now I can't get "It's Not Unusual" out of my head!

ACK ACK!
354 posted on 02/12/2004 9:29:58 AM PST by bootless (Never Forget)
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To: Momaw Nadon; All
MY PERSONAL, off the cuff opinion on this article is as follows:

1) I think it is an archiac--30-45 years out of date protocal with some authenticity--drug out of moth balls as one more micro puzzle piece to help prepare the populace for what Werner Von Braun asserted in ~1974 would follow the Iraq war we've just undergone--as scheduled by the puppet masters. i.e. according to him--an unnecessary, trumped up war with ET in space. Werner seemed to be of the opinion that all the ET's he knew about were benign to benevolent.

I personally think the puppet masters have it set up so that they think they can manage a squeeze play--they can play it either way--perhaps somehow both ways--that ET's are benign or benevolent or hostile and must be fought. ALL SUCH leading inexorably to the tyrannical global government that The Bible describes is slated for our era--after Israel became a nation again in a day in 1948.

2. The reality--as I accept it--is that we've been having ongoing technological and other 'relations' with various ET races for several decades--at least since not long after 1947. I trust my relative's assertions about such things given his working around such contexts on a daily basis. On top of that are other contacts I've had with people in positions to know. Add to that tons of convincing reading.

I don't know what percentage of what I've been told and have read is disinformation and what is absolute truth. But I have come to believe that at least some structural outlines of the puzzle are essentially true or close to true.

I don't really care to be flamed about all this. And, I'm too busy these days to want to bother trying to do people's searches for them for the info on the net. I've studied this topic at least since 1962. I don't even try any more to keep even all the books--much less the 100's upon 100's of articles filed or orderly or even kept at all.

I put things on my intelelctual, philosophical, information 'mental shelf' and wait and see what God confirms; what falls off into the realm of 'normal reality'--whatever THAT is.

I *TEND TO* treat thing that are from a multitude of evidently, logically independent, disconnected, DIVERSE sources as likely to be more reliable. And, when a data bit collects a host of diverse perspectives on it, I tend to notice it more and give it more credence.

I also believe that UFO's are *PART* of what The Bible talks about when it mentions SIGNS IN THE HEAVENS regarding the end times of history as we've known it.

I believe the more common races of ET's are in cahoots with satan to cooperate with or be a part of what the Bible talks about as THE GREAT DECEPTION of the end times. I postulated 30+ years ago that ET's would end up trying to 'prove' that the Deity of Christ was not valid. I postulated then some sort of window onto purported history as part of this ET hoax. I the last 20 or so years, bits of info have come out about a VERY THICK book in government hands on ET'S AND RELIGION. Also, that there are supposedly holographic videos on historical events. Supposedly the ET's have shown that they created Buddha, Christ and other spiritual leaders for social stability reasons with the humans that they supposedly engineered [us] and placed on earth. I consider all such essentially part of a satanic hoax planned over thousands of years.

Thankfully, God has everything in control and will end up using ALL THIS for HIS GLORY.

But, I think along the way, UFO's and ET's etc. will be PART of what causes people of our era, as the Bible says--to have heart failure out of fear.

Anyway--enough of preliminary pontifications. I plan to respond to those posts which interest me in the thread--for whatever amusement it may afford anyone.
355 posted on 02/12/2004 9:58:32 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Semper Paratus
Currently, this is all nonsense--this point was passed long ago. And we had no such control over the process at all. Perhaps with some of the first captured ET's we effected such protocals for a period of time. But mostly, this is archaic nonsense.
356 posted on 02/12/2004 10:04:21 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: martin_fierro
Essentially . . . locked up with a lot of ET technology.

We can't afford to have decentralized energy such that individuals and households would be so FREEEEE

now can we! The puppet masters would lose tooooooo much CONTROL!
357 posted on 02/12/2004 10:05:52 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: GSWarrior
I have no idea what you're referring to.

HOWEVER, per, for example, the recent UFO programs on the HISTORY CHANNEL . . . the UFO phenomenon is alive and however well/unwell it is. The HISTORY CHANNEL programs disclosed bits of puzzle pieces that had not been disclosed or not been disclosed in such a relatively solid way theretofore.

This is pretty standard. There's been a snail's pace, incremental disclosure of more and more puzzle pieces the last at least 40+ years. Some seems to have been deliberate disclosure. Some seems to have been 'outted' by people involved. Some has been pure disinformation. Plenty has been a mixture. And we have no real way of sorting it all out at this point from our laymen, public distances.
358 posted on 02/12/2004 10:09:21 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: American_Centurion
ACTUALLY,

WE are the ones treated as a subject on the VETERNARY operating table.

Certainly they and/or government units pretending to be them--I tend to believe BOTH have operated--at least ET's have been coring and harvesting beef parts for decades. Chillingly, there are also reliable reports of INDIVIDUAL HUMANS TREATED THE SAME WAY with the same body parts as from cattle excised supposedly for decades with a procedure beyond, initially beyond, our capabilities. Also, just the thoroughness of the blood being drained without leaving any drops anywhere--that thoroughness was also beyond our capabilities. Not nice behavior on the part of ET's. And certainly not fun for the vicitms.
359 posted on 02/12/2004 10:12:37 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Bikers4Bush
They have plenty of mother ships about in deep space. I don't doubt that.

Supposedly, their base(s) on the moon were one of the reasons we were ordered out of space and to not return to the moon. It's interesting now that Bush has said we're going back. I wonder what's changed.
360 posted on 02/12/2004 10:14:23 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: scouse
Supposedly there are various power systems. I don't think most are nuclear. There may be one nuclear type but not as we normally construe it--from what little I understand of it.
361 posted on 02/12/2004 10:15:31 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: RightWhale
I guess your construction on reality exclused UFO's with ET's?

I'm convinced you are exceedingly wrong. I think your preconcieved biases color your perceptions and considerations in this realm wholesale.
362 posted on 02/12/2004 10:16:36 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: goldilucky
His name in Indrid Coled.

363 posted on 02/12/2004 10:18:20 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: JoJo Gunn
They have certainly poked and prodded aplenty. And evidently still are--though some assert that there are trends and periods of different types of interactions.

But whether it is because of some RELATIVELY detached "prime directive," or God's limits on what they are allowed to do or their just not scheduling anything else yet--we have not per se, been at their beck and call--though when they initiate a meeting, it clearly takes place.

And, they tend to dictate the limits of what they will and won't do far more than we do. And, they tend to violate agreements at will and with impunity.
364 posted on 02/12/2004 10:19:59 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: KevinDavis
Some have claimed that the mother ships don't function well in our atmosphere. Other sources say that idea is nonsense.

Given the size of ships MANY people have seen all over the world, I'd say that at least something halfway between the small and the motherships--seems to do well enough in our atmosphere.

The JAPAN AIRLINES flight shadowed and played cat and mouse with near Alaska when . . . 1978 . . . that UFO was the combined size of 3 AIRCRAFT CARRIERS. Not your little intergalactic VESPA scooter!
365 posted on 02/12/2004 10:22:53 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: N. Theknow
As I understand it, in terms of abductions . . .

Jews are very rarely abducted. Virtually all other classifications of people are abducted evidently in proportion to their proportion of the population.
366 posted on 02/12/2004 10:24:24 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: avg_freeper
SUPPOSEDLY, VERY, VERY SUPPOSEDLY, I HOPE . . .

people have been abducted, taken to a far planet . . . shown around . . . including the local zoo . . . where another family of humans were living in THEIR CAGE so to speak.

Why the latter abductees were returned was never that clear though it seems the ET's just felt like being nice to those individuals and their quota of zoo animals had been reached.
367 posted on 02/12/2004 10:27:01 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Namyak
Somehow, they seem to be able to insert implants through our noses into our brains without infection resulting.

They seem to have the whole microbe, virus thing understood rather well compared to us.

And, they do what they wish . . . more or less regardless of our wishes, it seems--even regardless of their signed agreements with us.
368 posted on 02/12/2004 10:28:39 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: unix
Supposedly the subterranean REPTOIDS are not nice critters at all.

And, supposedly it's not fun to see the vats of nutrient fluid/paste being mixed with arms and other human body parts floating in them.
369 posted on 02/12/2004 10:29:50 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Some are evidently 7-12' tall. None 20 feet. Evidently our rough size, shape and body form is a very utilitarian, fairly generic body form throughout the galaxies.

I think I even read [disconnected from any other relationship with UFO'S OR ET'S] some human earth scientists asserting that such would be probably true.
370 posted on 02/12/2004 10:31:21 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix
All I know is what I see. I have been watching for these things for a long time and have seen no activity. Further, I believe there is no intelligent life anywhere in the galaxy except this solar system and probably just this planet. Maybe another galaxy has intelligent life, but that would be of no concern to us. That's how it looks, and 95 percent of the time things are as they appear to be.
371 posted on 02/12/2004 10:31:31 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: 50sDad
I'm glad you have ALLLLLLLL

OF REALITY

so tidily arranged within your own construct system. It must be either very boring or very peaceful between your ears.

I happen to think you are exceedingly wrong on this score. We shall see. No, I don't care to debate or drag out refs. You can find them and rant at them quite well on your own.
372 posted on 02/12/2004 10:33:03 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: stuartcr
Have you ever made contact with a weed, or a piece of a rock in your or your neighbors' backyard?

Not since I stopped taking mushrooms . . .

373 posted on 02/12/2004 10:34:24 AM PST by realpatriot71 (It's time to build a freakin' wall!)
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To: Momaw Nadon
I believe that it will end up contributing to martial law. I think likely that will be true in the next 1-12 years.

Or, within days of Shrillery taking power.
374 posted on 02/12/2004 10:34:44 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: stuartcr
You'll have to please excuse me, but I'm not sure what you mean by: "What makes your assumption of 4 reasonable?"
375 posted on 02/12/2004 10:35:47 AM PST by realpatriot71 (It's time to build a freakin' wall!)
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To: Frank_Discussion
Whether functional FTL occurs by virtue of some gravity/space bending technology or by virture of a given craft actually going that fast . . . or by some variation of STARGATE technology . . .

there are evidently VARIOUS ways to travel beyond the speed of light.
376 posted on 02/12/2004 10:35:59 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Zippo44
Most to all of the more common ET's do not have digestive systems.

Supposedly beef and evidently even human body parts are mixed in a slurry, paste and that is applied to the skin for nutrition. Strange.

But I do believe that the Grey's do not have a digestive system. Not sure what to think beyond that.

377 posted on 02/12/2004 10:38:01 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: stuartcr
How do you know God doesn't compromise His principles?

"I am the Lord, I change not" Mal. 3:6 - Because He says so.

378 posted on 02/12/2004 10:38:04 AM PST by realpatriot71 (It's time to build a freakin' wall!)
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To: realpatriot71
Your #165...one has to assume that all four intelligent societies agrees to leave us alone...
379 posted on 02/12/2004 10:40:02 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
Some say SOME ET races do not have emotions and do not fully comprehend or deal well with ours--being terrified if we get emotional without their mind-control/frozen body thing functioning on us.

Some ET races are evidently essentially identical to us. Some claim, they are us or we are them from a different time period.

Some claim that ET races have bred out of themselves what they now view as desierable elements--such as emotions etc. and that they need us to reinvigorate their race.
380 posted on 02/12/2004 10:40:15 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix
Quite true, all things happen as God wants them to.
381 posted on 02/12/2004 10:42:22 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
Dialogue has been evidently possible and productive for at least 40 years.

At least one ET race has had this nasty habit of agreeing to things and then violating the agreement.

For example, supposedly our government agreed to look the other way regarding abductions SO LONG AS OUR GOVERNMENT WAS GIVEN A LIST OF THOSE ABDUCTED--list provided at regular appointed times. In exchange, we'd get some of the ET technology.

We got the technology. Then we discovered that they were abducting far more than they'd agreed to. The **** hit the fan. And supposedly there was a standoff for some time. I haven't read anything convincing about what then.
382 posted on 02/12/2004 10:43:19 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Chris Talk
INDEED. Evidently, according to the Harris or Gallup poll--I think Harris, more than 4,000,000 AMERICANS have been abducted.

Then, there are other countries.
383 posted on 02/12/2004 10:44:58 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: realpatriot71
Biblical quotes prove nothing.
384 posted on 02/12/2004 10:45:38 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Quix
Some claim that they really do not know if there are ETs or not.
385 posted on 02/12/2004 10:47:32 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Moosilauke
One has to learn to spit out the bones even with CNN, NYTIMES, LA TIMES, ABC NEWS ETC.
386 posted on 02/12/2004 10:47:56 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: stuartcr
Your #165...one has to assume that all four intelligent societies agrees to leave us alone...

Ah! You probably didn't read my first reply on the subject (why should you, this thread has gotten quite long) . . . The Universe is ~12-15 Billion y/o, and life on this planet is supposed to be 3-4. Assuming an infinite universe we many Earthlike planets orbiting earthlike suns, you'd figure the odds are at the very least 3 or 4 civilizations developed such as us in the Universe - probably more.

So, if you're using this as your starting point, and also trying to explain why we haven't seen ET's (I know, I know, many on this thread say we already have) because they want to leave us alone, one has toalso assume they have a similar moral or ethic as we do to make the decision to leave us alone. Hell, if I were an intelligent alien race, I'd erase humans from the universe and move in, so it's probably a good thing I'm on our side.

387 posted on 02/12/2004 10:58:38 AM PST by realpatriot71 (It's time to build a freakin' wall!)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Scary.
388 posted on 02/12/2004 10:58:46 AM PST by Darksheare (Justin Timberlake exposed my tagline and now it feels used!)
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To: Quix
"by virtue of some gravity/space bending"

It will certainly have to involve such. The only way to go FTL is to somehow avoid space-time, so you'll have to find a way to get outside of it. As I've said, there are developing theories on this, and it is entirely possible we humans will do a little space-time bending in this century.
389 posted on 02/12/2004 10:59:00 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: stuartcr
Biblical quotes prove nothing.

You asked for my basis for concluding that God does not change. I gave it to you from His Word. If you find that lacking, then we're not talking about the same God because the God of Bible does not change. And it is Him, the great I AM, who I worship. If you want to argue about the arbitrariness of other "gods" be my guest.

390 posted on 02/12/2004 11:01:49 AM PST by realpatriot71 (It's time to build a freakin' wall!)
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To: Momaw Nadon
"And they rest on the assumption that ET is first and foremost an illegal alien."

Does that mean they get driver's licences, free health care, &
amnesty? Will they do the work ordinary earthlings won't?
391 posted on 02/12/2004 11:06:15 AM PST by bk1000 (error 404- failed to get tag line)
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To: onedoug
They have FTL and high civilization, but where did they learn to drive?
392 posted on 02/12/2004 11:06:15 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: realpatriot71
I did read it, but you have made a number of assumptions. If your assumptions are correct, fine, although there is no way to validate them.......I don't think conclusions based on assumptions are really valid, that is why I said what I did.
393 posted on 02/12/2004 11:10:38 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
There's one intriguing story . . .

An abductee--man--20-30 something . . . was abducted from Southern California and released up north in the State somewhere . . .

Anyway--I think he was also taken far out in space. I don't recall if he was shown a home planet or not. I don't think so. The duration of the abduction was longer than average as I recall.

Anyway--at some point, he was asked if he wanted to pay his respects to THE DEITY. He asked Which one?

The response was--THERE'S ONLY ONE.

Then he was shown a chapel. I think the chapel didn't have any signficant decorations or adornement. It was evidently like many military chapels--rather generic and plain. He said he never felt God's presence so strongly at any other time of his life.

Interesting, anyway.
394 posted on 02/12/2004 11:11:46 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: realpatriot71
I believe there is only one God, so no matter what we say or how we say it, I believe we are talking about the same God. It's our perceptions, I think, that are different, not the one God.
395 posted on 02/12/2004 11:13:35 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Professional Engineer
They'll only come for me by dimensional warp portals.
396 posted on 02/12/2004 11:14:15 AM PST by Darksheare (Justin Timberlake exposed my tagline and now it feels used!)
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To: Frank_Discussion
A very, very small percentage of UFO reports evidently/MAY refer to bona fide angels.

On the other hand, Petersen in his translation of The Bible into modern vernacular English akin to the vernacular of the original languages called THE MESSAGE

persistently in the Old Testament uses 'God-of-the-angel-armies' as the name for God.

And we have Ezekiel and Elijah's chariots of fire images.

But at least a few of the ET races seem to be at odds with God's priorities except that they are nevertheless fitting into His plans regardless.


397 posted on 02/12/2004 11:15:30 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Quix
Indeed.
398 posted on 02/12/2004 11:15:40 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
I did read it, but you have made a number of assumptions. If your assumptions are correct, fine, although there is no way to validate them.......I don't think conclusions based on assumptions are really valid, that is why I said what I did

This whole "ET" nonsense is completely based upon assumptions - a thought experiment, if you will. If, what many scientists say about life is true: that life is inevitable under certain conditions, especially those types of conditions that existed at the time of the first life on Earth, then there has to be literally 100's if not 1000's of inhabited worlds, and of those planets there has to be at least a few species that are sentient, rational, and intelligent. If you look at man, it took us 3-4 billion years to get here, so it's not unreasonable to assume a similar time period for the development of a "similar" organic based life form. To top this off there has been plenty of time since the beginning of the universe for this to have happened - more than once.

If they're there we should see 'em, and I guess some folks think we do.

399 posted on 02/12/2004 11:18:02 AM PST by realpatriot71 (It's time to build a freakin' wall!)
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To: Momaw Nadon
Is it just me, or does that UFO look suspiciously like a Star Destroyer?
400 posted on 02/12/2004 11:18:05 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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