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Experts: Dogs originated in ancient Asia
AP ^ | Tuesday, February 17, 2004

Posted on 02/17/2004 2:20:26 PM PST by presidio9

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:03:54 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

From Yorkshire terriers the size of a teacup to Irish wolfhounds near the size of a small pony, all dogs originated from a single species, probably an East Asian wolf seeking the warmth of the human hearth and an easy meal.


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TOPICS: Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: africa; agriculture; animalhusbandry; archaeology; dogs; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; history; movedtochat; multiregionalism

1 posted on 02/17/2004 2:20:27 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9
"I don't think there's a gene for peeing on the floor or chewing up shoes," said Lynch.

That's why I have cats.

P9, how long before "chat"? :)

2 posted on 02/17/2004 2:24:50 PM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: MotleyGirl70
3... 2... 1...
3 posted on 02/17/2004 2:26:03 PM PST by presidio9 (...batting 8th for the Yankees... #51... the center fielder... Bernie Williams... #51.)
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To: presidio9
101 Ways to Wok Your Dog
4 posted on 02/17/2004 2:28:07 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: MotleyGirl70
BTW, I found this to be an interesting news story...
5 posted on 02/17/2004 2:34:42 PM PST by presidio9 (...batting 8th for the Yankees... #51... the center fielder... Bernie Williams... #51.)
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To: presidio9
Why did this get moved to chat so quickly? Seems like a worthwhile science story.
6 posted on 02/17/2004 2:34:50 PM PST by Modernman ("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Modernman
It IS a great article. But lately I've been going to Gen Int a lot more than I used to and finding great posts there. Maybe that is their point.

7 posted on 02/17/2004 2:37:36 PM PST by EggsAckley ({...................troll patrol........on duty...................})
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To: presidio9

8 posted on 02/17/2004 2:44:19 PM PST by socal_parrot
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To: EggsAckley; Modernman; MotleyGirl70
Admin Mod has had it in for me ever since I borrowed his salad shooter and didn't return it.
9 posted on 02/17/2004 2:45:22 PM PST by presidio9 (...batting EIGTH for the Yankees... #51... the center fielder... Bernie Williams... #51.)
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To: Dead Dog
You are a VERY sick puppy.... And I say that in the kindest possible way. LOL.

Most of the cooks in the bistros on Pennsylvania Avenue, a few blocks from the Capitol, are Vietnamese. As a result, you hear very little dog barking in that neighborhood after 5 p.m. each day. Coincidence? You be the judge. (And never order BBQ on Capitol Hill, just to be on the safe side.)

Congressman Billybob

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10 posted on 02/17/2004 2:46:35 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: presidio9
I always wondered why Britney likes Chinese food so much...


Britney

11 posted on 02/17/2004 2:47:11 PM PST by socal_parrot
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To: Congressman Billybob
Lived in Seoul for a year and found the lack of dogs, cats, squirrels, animals-of-any-sort quite remarkable.
12 posted on 02/17/2004 2:50:08 PM PST by presidio9 (...batting EIGTH for the Yankees... #51... the center fielder... Bernie Williams... #51.)
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To: Dead Dog
A little spice....Dead Dogs in Madinah
13 posted on 02/17/2004 2:53:01 PM PST by kanawa
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To: presidio9
Admin Mod has had it in for me ever since I borrowed his salad shooter and didn't return it.

I went downstairs to feed the bears, and "refreshed" this thread and sure enough your ass has been moved to "chat'. LOL.

14 posted on 02/17/2004 3:02:50 PM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: presidio9
Lived in Seoul for a year and found the lack of dogs, cats, squirrels, animals-of-any-sort quite remarkable.

How were the hamburgers there?

15 posted on 02/17/2004 3:04:44 PM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: Congressman Billybob
Thanx!
16 posted on 02/17/2004 3:05:17 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: socal_parrot
OMG she is adorable!
17 posted on 02/17/2004 3:05:47 PM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: MotleyGirl70
True story:

I went to a resteraunt on business and asked my translator to order for me. She told me that the special was dog. I asked her to order some other special. I never trusted food that was sitting around there -the climate is close to Siberia, so refrigerators are not great -they pickle everything. So she tells me the other special was fresh fish. The fish comes, and it is a gigantic broiled striped bass HEAD! Just the head. Complete with eyeballs. Traditionally, the Koreans sent the rest of the fish to Japan and ate the parts the Japanese didn't want. Their delicacies were developed in this fashion.

18 posted on 02/17/2004 3:12:14 PM PST by presidio9 (...batting EIGTH for the Yankees... #51... the center fielder... Bernie Williams... #51.)
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To: presidio9
YEC INTREP
19 posted on 02/17/2004 3:43:27 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: presidio9
Ewwww...ya know over there they eat a lot of stuff out of animal parts as an aphrodisic.

Did you get horney afterwards?

20 posted on 02/17/2004 3:45:03 PM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: MotleyGirl70
No, but you should have seen the crowd I was with. Lots of bad teeth, bad haircuts, and Elvis Costello eyeglasses.


Apparently the gills are the big delicacy on a fish head.

21 posted on 02/17/2004 3:47:22 PM PST by presidio9 (fish heads... fish heads... rolly-polly fish heads... Eat them up... yum!)
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To: presidio9
"...you bad teeth...you go now!"

Nice tagline...silly

22 posted on 02/17/2004 3:55:11 PM PST by MotleyGirl70
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23 posted on 02/17/2004 4:02:47 PM PST by presidio9 (...batting EIGTH for the Yankees... #51... the center fielder... Bernie Williams... #51.)
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To: presidio9
I've been here...Fishing Hall of Fame in Hayward, WI. All the fish heads to be displayed...proudly

That kid needs a longer fishing pole though! I've been through launching a boat on tough waters and he's not doing very well on calm plastic waters LOL :)

24 posted on 02/17/2004 4:25:28 PM PST by MotleyGirl70
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Fishing Hall of Fame in Hayward, WI

At long last Beulah Land has been revealed before my eyes. I gotta go. Gotta see if my travel agent is still breathing.

25 posted on 02/18/2004 6:23:33 AM PST by presidio9 (...batting EIGHTH for the Yankees... #51... the center fielder... Bernie Williams... #51.)
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To: presidio9
Let me know when you post again today so I can see it go directly to "chat". LOL :)
26 posted on 02/18/2004 7:33:47 AM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
Another oldie, but apropos as a ping given the recent Asian threads.
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27 posted on 04/04/2005 11:17:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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Central Asia....isn't that where white people arose? Did stone age control freaks invent the dog? Tune in tomorrow!


28 posted on 04/05/2005 1:25:25 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: presidio9

Probably happened much longer ago than 100,000 years and more than one species of 'dog'. Why are these people so arrogant in their assessments when they do not have the complete facts.


29 posted on 04/05/2005 4:12:46 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: SunkenCiv

Saw part of a documentary several years ago about dogs. Guy asserted that dogs domesticated man...it was an interesting take...talked about how dogs functioned as baby sitters back at the old cave, freeing up the human parent, dogs as hunting partners & result of making hunting easier & more productive. If anyone remembers this program and 'especially' if they know who the man was featured in the show, I'd love to know. If he wrote a book, I want it! Been bugging me for years & I've googled & googled trying to track it down.


30 posted on 04/05/2005 4:56:26 AM PDT by elli1
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To: Graymatter

Central Asia is where all Eurasians originated. I happen to think dogs and Eurasians helped each other survive the Ice ages.


31 posted on 04/05/2005 6:03:08 AM PDT by Varda
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To: presidio9
additional information has revealed that the domesticated dog appeared at about the same time as the wok and the hibachi grill. Coincidence? I don't think do.

Dog - It's what's for supper

32 posted on 04/05/2005 6:19:50 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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Thanks for posting this. It's one of my favorite scientific investigations. Dogs have been found to be entirely descended from one species Canis Lupus and mostly from subspecies chanco, the Chinese wolf. All new and old world dog fossils are of this old world species. New World evidence of dogs go back to the Pleistocene. This means humans colonized most of the world in the company of dogs.
33 posted on 04/05/2005 6:28:51 AM PDT by Varda
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To: Dustbunny
Probably happened much longer ago than 100,000 years and more than one species of 'dog'. Why are these people so arrogant in their assessments when they do not have the complete facts.

Geneticists can literally 'count' generations by tracing common genetic anomalies found in any population. You can therefore estimate the length of time since that anomaly first appeared. It's pretty well established in humans and they have been using this information to trace pre-historic human migrations. This is probably why they are saying that there were as few as 6 "domestication events" -- they probably have distilled the genetic markers down to 6 ancestral dogs.

34 posted on 04/05/2005 6:41:41 AM PDT by Tallguy
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Somewhere along the way, humans learned they could breed dogs for particular jobs. Mating two fast dogs produced young that were also fast. The same was true for dogs that could dig, herd animals, hunt or attack humans.

The various breeds look the way they do because sometime in the distant past humans wanted a dog for specific service to people, said Lynch.

Hmmmm. Early neanderthal geneticists. Who knew?


35 posted on 04/05/2005 7:08:41 AM PDT by wildbill
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"The same was true for dogs that could dig, herd animals, hunt or attack humans"

....shoot, type, and do basic automotive repair.


(We're still working on the Yo-Yo part)


36 posted on 04/05/2005 10:30:03 AM PDT by PoorMuttly ("Out of the Bat-Cave and through the woods, to PoorMuttly's house we go"-Shakespeare, me pretty sure)
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To: elli1
I didn't see that show, but I at least used to have a file from several online articles and papers and such, making the same points. It's intriguing, but probably written up by a bunch of dog lovers. ;')

Ah, here's one now:
Study acclaims dog's role in development of mankind
Tuesday 26th March 2002
An Australian study claims mankind couldn't have conquered the globe without the dog. Researchers say the domestication of the wolf led to the hunting of bigger game and even the development of art. They claim the dog was one of a few key forces which led to modern humans and therefore changed the world forever. Dr Paul Tacon, of the Australian Museum in Sydney, and bio-archaeology consultant Dr Colin Pardoe, say fossil and DNA evidence both point to dog domestication over 100,000 years ago.
And yet, after 100,000 years, we still have to take them out so they can go to the bathroom.
Genealogical map reveals 10 top dogs
by Will Knight
12:23 16 February 04
All of the hundreds of breeds of modern domestic dog, from the Afghan hound to the chihuahua, can be traced back to just 10 "progenitor" breeds, say US scientists... Humans first domesticated wolves about 15,000 years ago, most probably to help them hunt. Domestication involves selectively breeding a species so that they can be controlled more easily. The latest genetic information suggests that the domestication of wolves first occurred in Asia... The researchers believe that by 10,000 to 12,000 years later, 10 "progenitor breeds" of dog had been created to fulfill different roles alongside their masters... The 10 progenitors identified by the researchers are: sight hounds, scent hounds, working and guard dogs, northern breeds, flushing spaniels, water spaniels and retrievers, pointers, terriers, herding dogs and toy and companion dogs... Gordon Lark, who is studying canine genetics at the University of Utah... says developing a genetic map, rather than a genealogical one will be more useful for understanding canine evolution, behaviour and health. Scientists are expected to finish sequencing the dog genome within a year.
They forgot "chow hounds" -- probably the first use of dog species. As Dustin Hoffman's character sez in "Little Big Man", the flavor can be downright delicate.
Coyotes
Related Species

The Coyote is one of 8 species of the genus Canis. Four of these are jackals of Europe, Africa & Asia. Other members of the genus include the Gray Wolf (C. lupus), the Red Wolf (C. rufus) and all the breeds of the domestic dog (C. familiaris).

Coyotes are not your average dog -- they are not to be messed with. They are smart, and they learn quickly. They can be dangerous, and when it comes to urban coyotes, steps should be taken to avoid encouraging them to visit your neighborhood. That means close garbage can lids tightly, do not leave pet food outside and do not leave small pets outside unaccompanied.

Coyotes love nothing better than cats and frequently take small dogs. Inform neighbors of your sighting and encourage them to take steps to NOT attract the clever little varmints. Remember: Make sure that no pet food is ever left outdoors.

37 posted on 04/05/2005 12:00:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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various genome projects:

http://www.ensembl.org/


38 posted on 04/05/2005 12:12:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Just updating the GGG information, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


39 posted on 03/03/2013 5:00:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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