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Remember Gargoyles; A Very Good Cartoon Series (Vanity)

Posted on 03/29/2004 2:08:23 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup

Hello.

For you fans of good anime/animation; reruns of a VERY GOOD cartoon series called Gargoyles is returning to basic cable/satellite.

If you don't remember or have never heard of it, Gargoyles is the only GREAT cartoon series that Disney produced (please don’t hold the fact that it was produced by Disney, against it). It was action/drama series with an excellent plot and well thought-out characters. It was produced in 1994, in the same vain as Fox's Batman The Animated Series, with that dark gothic style, BUT BETTER!!

The show is about a group of honorable gargoyles in 994 AD that were wrongly cursed into a permanent stone sleep (in the series gargoyles turn to stone during the day, by are turn back to flesh at night) over a serious misunderstanding (the person who does curse them is not a villain, he just messed-up big time). Fast-forward to 1994 AD, in the heart of New York City, they are finally free of their curse and the adventure real begins.

The Gargoyles Cartoon Series is now off of Toon Disney and ON ABC Family at 11:00 AM Eastern for an hour (2 Episodes) on Saturdays and Sundays. ABC Family is on most basic cable and satellite packages, so I know you probably have this channel.

The show was two seasons long, 66 episodes in all. And before you ask, I don't consider "The Goliath Chronicles" to be a true third season because Eisner himself had that season butched because the show was too good a series.

I recommend you tape the episodes, so you can fast forward through the commercials. And watch them when you have the chance. They are much better to watch than the Reality TV crap that comes on Prime Time.

As an anime/animation fan, if you have not seen this series before, IT IS A MUST SEE!! Barring the slightly dated animation, this show rivals in quality with some of the best anime currently on; think Beauty and the Beast Romance better than Inu Yasha, better characterization than Cowboy Bebop, and a plot the rivals in quality to Big O (S1 & S2) and Babylon 5.

And Star Trek fans, you will get a lot out of this series because most of the voice actors are from the cast of The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and Voyager, most notably: Jonathan Frakes (Riker from TNG) voice acts the villain David Xanatos (Zan-nan-tos; think a none-aristocratic, multi-billionaire Treize Khushrenada [Gundam Wing character]) and Marina Sirtis (Deanna Troi from TNG) voice acts the villainess gargoyle named Demona, who has more too her than she first appears in the beginning of the series.

DO NOT play a Star Trek drinking-game while watching Gargoyles, you WILL BE drunk (or close to it) by the first half of the episode and you risk a very real chance of death by alcohol poisoning by the end of that episode.

Please understand, in the Gargoyles show, they threw everything including the kitchen sink into this series; from magic to sci-fi, from elves to aliens, from magical shapeshifing to cyborgs to genetic engineering, from stone golems to androids, from magical bending of reality to nano-technology, from magical weapons to sci-fi exo-suits, from ghosts to astral projection, from magical lands to New York, from time-travel to globe-trotting. From Egyptian Gods to Viking Gods. Avalon, King Author and Excalibur. Also, they took characters from Shakespeare, most notably Macbeth and the fairy-folk from a Mid-Summer Night's Dream.

The above, was the SHORT list.

And yes there is death and murder use in this series.

Also, quite a few members of the cast use guns, a lot.

Just one thing, there are absolutely NO coincidences in this series; everything pans out.

Greg Weisman. creator of the Gargoyles series, is a genius. Plus, he plan this show to go much further than it did, all the way to 2198 and an alien invasion by something called the "Space-Spawn"; http://www.dracandros.com/Jebgarg/tge/spcspawn.htm

ABC Family is to Season 1 Episodes11 and 12 next Saturday (April 3rd, 2004). But don't worry, here some links to jog your memory for the episodes you missed.

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servle...2079/Gargoyles/ http://www.dracandros.com/Jebgarg/tge/basetge.htm http://www.gargoyles-fans.org/episodes.html

For me, Gargoyles is tied with G1 Transformers as my all time favorite cartoon series ever. And it earned that spot.

And last but not least, Season 1 of Gargoyles is suppose to be released on DVD Boxset by the end of this year (2004, the Tenth Anniversary of the premiere of the Gargoyles Series) and depending on sells, they may release Season 2, that is why I am informing you, who I know are anime/animation fans, so I can get as many eyeballs to watch this series, because though I look forward to having Season 1 of Gargoyles in my DVD Collection (It is GOOD), I WANT Season 2 of Gargoyles in my DVD Collection (It is MIND-BLOWINGLY GOOD!!).

And finally, if a second rate series like "Family Guy" can be brought back from the dead by DVD Sells, there is surely hope for a masterpiece like Gargoyles.


TOPICS: Hobbies; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: anime; cartoon; fanboyrant; fantasy; gargoyle; gargoyles; sciencefiction; scifi; shakespeare; shakespearian
I know a lot of you here hate Disney as it is now for very good reason, but please do not boycott this show because of that for three reasons.

1. The show is VERY conservative. It very pro-life through-out it's two season. It is pro-gun, plenty of the characters (not just the cops) use guns to defend themselves (S1 Ep 07: Deadly Force, was more about 'why you should NOT treat a gun like a toy' and it was a very daring episode). That the rich white male character (David Xanatos) is NOT portrayed as a heartless, evil, 2D villian, but instead a honorable man, who has done questionable things, with a different agenda than the gargoyles. Also, Zanatos is probably the character who experiences the most character development of the entire cast.

2. Gargoyles is good example of every that was good about Disney and everything it could be. This show is the only time Disney gear a cartoon series toward teens and adults (and for the most part NOT kids). It was an action/drama with very little comedy in it. Also, Eisner is the one who killed this show. So giving this show a chance (and buying the DVDs to it, when they are released) is a good way to show how Eisner and his minions were wrong.

1. Anything with Biblical injokes, like 'David' Xanatos versus 'Goliath' and characters taken from Shakespeare, should alone be enough reason to give this show a chance.

1 posted on 03/29/2004 2:08:24 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Texaggie79; section9
Being anime and classic cartoon fans, I think this may interest you.
2 posted on 03/29/2004 2:41:09 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup; Sir Gawain
I watched it some when i was in high school. Don't recall it being "conservative" but it was ok.
3 posted on 03/29/2004 2:44:59 PM PST by Texaggie79 (Did I just say that?)
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To: Texaggie79
I watched it some when i was in high school. Don't recall it being "conservative" but it was ok.

Well for example, the pro-life/pro-marriage angle in the second season, David and Fox fall in love, get married and have a son. These events turn David in a much better person.

Then there is the whole 'protecting the gargoyles eggs' in 994 AD plotline.

4 posted on 03/29/2004 3:08:24 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Trigun is #1 and the ultimate conservative message: Peace through superior firepower.
5 posted on 03/29/2004 3:46:58 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
Trigun is #1 and the ultimate conservative message: Peace through superior firepower.

Considering I have seen the Trigun series, all I got to say is BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

I could tear your above statement apart in half a dozen ways. But I will instead be polite and just say that Vash refuses to kill and only uses his guns when he has too.

By the way, I like Trigun, but it does not hold a candle to Cowboy Bebop.

6 posted on 03/29/2004 4:24:40 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
agreed, but two questions, why isnt this southpark pinged? and

both of those were good, but i am willing to bet you havent seen the movie fo CB. very odd titles, but tre cool.
7 posted on 03/30/2004 4:27:35 AM PST by MacDorcha
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To: Paul C. Jesup
one of my favourite quotes from the series (and one of my all times as well) is

"you dont have any names? what do you call each other?"

"friend"
8 posted on 03/30/2004 4:29:11 AM PST by MacDorcha
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To: Paul C. Jesup
It was produced in 1994, in the same vain as Fox's Batman The Animated Series, with that dark gothic style, BUT BETTER!!

Hey, I watched it back then, and I liked it, but it wasn't better than Batman (or Justice League now for that matter).

9 posted on 03/30/2004 4:41:49 AM PST by Hawkeye's Girl
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To: Sir Gawain
Ya, Cowboy Bebop r0xorz. At least, I heard it does.
10 posted on 03/30/2004 10:26:37 AM PST by Texaggie79 (Did I just say that?)
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To: MacDorcha
both of those were good, but i am willing to bet you havent seen the movie fo CB. very odd titles, but tre cool.

I have both the Cowboy Bebop series on DVD and I also, have the Cowboy Bebop Movie DVD.

Spike could out fight Bruce Lee in pure hand to hand combat and (with the Swordfish II) fly circles around Luke Skywalker in hist is X-Wing. :D

11 posted on 03/30/2004 10:30:16 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Hawkeye's Girl
Hey, I watched it back then, and I liked it, but it wasn't better than Batman (or Justice League now for that matter).

JLA Season 2 Rocked. Both we both agree they are good series.

12 posted on 03/30/2004 10:32:08 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
I love Cowboy Bebop too. I have the limited-edition boxed set of the series, and the DVD of the movie. My favorite scene is in Jupiter Jazz part I, where Spike single-handedly kicks the collective asses of a gang of street thugs. Simple lesson: don't piss Spike off!


13 posted on 03/30/2004 10:35:15 AM PST by Pyro7480 (Minister for the Conversion of Hardened Sinners,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: MacDorcha
Good quote: One of my favoite quotes from Gargoyles is:

*fight going on outside*

*while in the threater*

"I don't remember any explosions in Bambi."

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/GuidePageServlet/showid-2079/epid-48314/
14 posted on 03/30/2004 10:35:45 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Pyro7480
Amen to that.
15 posted on 03/30/2004 10:36:37 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Have you watched the Kenshin and Samurai X series?
16 posted on 03/30/2004 11:48:10 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
Yes, your point.
17 posted on 03/30/2004 12:02:13 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Just curious. BTW, you're wrong about Trigun.
18 posted on 03/30/2004 12:16:32 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
Just curious. BTW, you're wrong about Trigun.

No, I am right, Vash refused to kill Knifes at the end. That psycho needed to be killed.

19 posted on 03/30/2004 1:04:49 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
He killed Legato. Killing Knives wasn't necessary as he won the battle anyway.
20 posted on 03/30/2004 1:33:11 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
He killed Legato. Killing Knives wasn't necessary as he won the battle anyway.

Legato killed himself, Legato put is his head pactically in front of the barrel of the gun and he was also about to kill Vash's friends. And given Legato's mental powers, even though Vash pulled the trigger, I am not sure Vash was the one who willed his finger to pull the trigger.

Also, in his 130 years of living, he had not killed even one person.

Now stop trying to change the subject of this thread. If you want a thread about Trigun, just start one about it.

21 posted on 03/30/2004 2:17:16 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
A little uptight aren't we?
22 posted on 03/30/2004 2:42:56 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
Not really.
23 posted on 03/31/2004 7:54:07 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Sir Gawain
I forgot to mention, MacBeth is voice acted by John Rhys-Davies, as in the actor who played Gimli in the "Lord of the Rings" Trilogy and Professor Maximillian P. Arturo from the show Sliders (I personally think that show started going down hill after they killed him off).
24 posted on 03/31/2004 9:02:21 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: camle; LdSentinal
If the mini-series does well in December, it may come back on the air.
Well between now and then, I recommend you check out reruns of Gargoyles, even thought it is a cartoon, it feels while watching it to more like a VERY good anime.
25 posted on 04/02/2004 12:27:44 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
I watched every weekday when I was a teenager back in 1994t to 1997.

I believe it's on Disney on the weekends and on Toon Disney every weekday at night.

26 posted on 04/02/2004 12:34:26 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal
I believe it's on Disney on the weekends and on Toon Disney every weekday at night.

They took it off Toon Disney and put it on ABC Family at 11:00 to Noon on Saturdays and Sundays (except this Sunday) 4 episodes a week. Also, ABC Family finally aired the rare Season 1 Episode 7: Deadly Force, where Elisa gets shot by accident.

27 posted on 04/02/2004 12:39:37 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
I've never seen Gargoyles. However, my friend told me it was a very good show, so I'll give it a look.

Wow, they actually use guns in this show? I thought that was forbidden in American cartoons! Well, it is if you're 4KIDS Entertainment, where they have mastered the fine art of turning guns on shows like Yu-Gi-Oh into pointing fingers.

"You stop right there, or I'll point at you!"
28 posted on 04/02/2004 3:16:39 PM PST by Galactic Overlord-In-Chief (What does it say on the bottom of Coke bottles at DU? It says "Open Other End.")
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To: Galactic Overlord-In-Chief
I've never seen Gargoyles. However, my friend told me it was a very good show, so I'll give it a look.

So do you get the chance to watch it yesterday? Or did you tape it and you have not had a chance to watch it?

Wow, they actually use guns in this show?

Oh that is just the tip of the iceberg, they went way beyond that on the show.

Also, check out the voice cast for Gargoyles. The list of voice actors and actresses from Gargoyles read like a who’s who list of GOOD Hollywood actors and actresses.

Jonathan Frakes (Riker from Star Trek: TNG) voices David Xanatos

Marina Sirtis (Deanna Troi from Star Trek: TNG) voices the gargoyle Demona

Keith David (‘The Thing’ Remake, Spawn The Movie, Pitch Black/Chronicles of Riddick) voices Goliath and Thailog

Salli Richardson (singer) voices police officer Elisa Maza

Bill Fagerbakke (football player-assistant coach Dauber Daubinski on the ABC comedy series, Coach) voices Broadway

Edward (Ed) Asner (yes, THAT Edward Asner) who voices the old gargoyle Hudson

Tom Wilson (played Biff Tannen and Griff Tannen in Back To The Future Trilogy) Detective Matt Bluestone

Laura San Giacomo (played Maya Gallo in the comedy series “Just Shoot Me”) voices Fox Xanatos (David Xanatos’ wife)

John Rhys-Davies (the actor who played Gimli in the "Lord of the Rings" Trilogy and Professor Maximillian P. Arturo from the show Sliders) voices Macbeth

Frank Welker (voice acted G1 Transformers Megatron and Soundwave) lends his voice for the gargoyle-dog Bronx

And the reoccurring guest stars are:

Brent Spiner (Data from Star Trek: TNG) the magical trickster Puck

Rachel Ticotin (Melina in Total Recall, Con Air, Natural Born Killers, Falling Down) voices Police Captain Chavez

Tim Curry voices the evil geneticist Dr. Sevarius

Jim Belushi voices Fang

Kath Soucie (Futurama, Cubert Farnsworth, Michelle and Additonal Voices; Swat Cats and many more cartoons) voices Weird Sisters, Princess Katherine and Maggie Reed

Clancy Brown (Kurgan from Highlander I and voices Lex Luthor JLA/Superman WB/CN cartoons) voices Wolf and the 1000 plus year old Viking Ghost Hakon

Matt Frewer (Max Headroom, Psi Factor) voices Jackal

Cree Summer (Singer, voices Felicia from Dark Stalkers) voices Hyena

Kate Mulgrew (Kathryn Janeway from Star Trek: Voyager) voices Anastasia Renard and Titiania

Michael Dorn (played Worf from ST:TNG/ST S9) voices Coldstone

Peter Scolari (played Wayne Szalinski from Honey, I Shrunk the Kids TV Series) voices Preston Vogel

John Saint Ryan voices King Arthur

Ed Gilbert (voice acted several cartoons, died May 8, 1999 to lung cancer) voices Castle Wyvern’s Captain of the Guard (994 AD)

Paul Winfield (died of a heart attack March 7, 2004) voices Jeffrey Robbins

Nichelle Nichols (played Lt. Nyota Uhura from the Original Star Trek Series) voices Diane Maza (Elisa Maza’s mother)

Lawrence Bayne (Davenport from La Femme Nikita series) voices Raven

LeVar Burton (Geordie LaForge from Star Trek: TNG and Reading Rainbow) voices Anansi (Ep 47; Mark of the Panther)

Rob Paulsen voices Helios (Episode 50: The New Olympians) Roddy McDowall voices Proteus (Episode 50: The New Olympians)

Avery Brooks (Benjamin Sisko from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine) voices the alien Nokkar (Episode 52: Sentinel)

Jim Jonah (J) Cummings (he has too many cartoon series for me to name) voices Dingo (and later Matrix)

William Morgan Sheppard (Blank Reg from Max Headroom, Professor from Seaquest, The Soul Hunter from Babylon 5) voices Petros Xanatos (David Xanatos’ father), Norse God Odin and King Kenneth

David Warner (voices Ra's Al-Ghul from Fox’s Batman: The Animated Series/Superman/Batman Beyond, voices Alpha from MIB cartoon; starred in movie Waxwork; and a played in movies Star Trek V and Star Trek VI) voices Archmage

Richard Grieco voices Anthony Dracon

Darren McGavin (played Carl Kolchak from Kolchak: The Night Stalker) voices G.F. Brenton/Dominic Dracon

Diedrich Bader (plays Oswald Lee Harvey, The Drew Carey Show) voices the Hunter Jason Conover/Jason Canmore and Charles Canmore in Hunter’s Moon Trilogy (Episodes 63, 64 and 65)

Carol Christine Hilaria Pounder (plays Detective Claudette Wyms from The Shield and played Dr. Angela Hicks from ER) voices Desdemona/Coldfire

Sheena Easton (Singer) voices Molly/Banshee and Robyn Canmore

Efrem Zimbalist Jr (voices Alfred Pennyworth from Fox's Batman: The Animated Series/Superman/JLA, played William Edgars on Babylon 5) voices Mace Malone

James Avery (Philip Banks from The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air) voice the Shaman (Episode 46: Walkabout)

Sarah Douglas (Conan The Destroyer and Superman I, II, V) voices Una - (Episode 42: M.I.A.)

Colm Meaney (played Miles O'Brien from ST:TNG/ST S9, also played in The Englishman Who Went Up a Hill and Came Down a Mountain) voices Mr. Dugan (Episode 45: The Hound of Ulster)

Greg Berger (voice of Grimlock / Long Haul / Outback / Skyfire from G1 Transformers, voices Agent Kay in MIB cartoon) voices Leo (Episode 42: M.I.A.)

Roxanne Beckford voices Beth Maza and Tea

Terrence Mann voices Oberon

Tony Shalhoub (Monk and the comedy Wings) voices The Emir (Episode 43; Grief)

Tony Jay voices Anubis (Episode 43: Grief)

Hector Elizondo (played Dr. Phillip Watters from Chicago Hope) voices Zafiro (Episode 51: The Green)

Clyde Kusatsu voices Dr. Arnada and Kai

Ian Buchanan (played James Warwick from The Bold and the Beautiful and voices Ultra-Humanite in JLA CN) voices Constantine (Episode 34: Avalon Part I)

Emma Samms voices Gruoch (Macbeth’s deceased wife)

Gregg Rainwater voices Coyote Trickster and Natsilane

Greg Weisman (creator of the Gargoyles series) voices a commando in Season 1 Episode 2: Awakening, Part II

Most of the actors/actresses’ information I got from Murdok Gargoyles’ TV Tome Website: http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/Gargoyles/

And Sapphire and Ricardo A. Lafaurie Jr. from The Avalon Archive The Castle: http://avalon.gargoyles-fans.org/castle/voices.html

29 posted on 04/04/2004 11:28:12 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Galactic Overlord-In-Chief
Sorry, here is the right web address; http://www.tvtome.com/Gargoyles/
30 posted on 04/04/2004 1:26:18 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: MacDorcha; Galactic Overlord-In-Chief
Here is a reminder that the Gargoyles series is on ABC Family 11:00 AM to Noon Eastern every Saturday and Sunday mornings.
31 posted on 04/09/2004 8:10:35 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Cool, thanks for the bump. I'm ready to tune in.
32 posted on 04/09/2004 8:28:04 PM PDT by Galactic Overlord-In-Chief (Here's how to solve Christianity vs paganism: have Bibleman vs. Captain Planet in a steel cage match)
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To: Galactic Overlord-In-Chief
Make sure you do. These are all very goo episodes. But don't eat when you watch the latest episode, Episode 13: The Reawakening (last Season 1 episode). I won't spoil it for you, but at the beginning of the episode Xanatos and Demona do one of the best parody renditions on the subject ever done. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing at the scene when I first saw it.
33 posted on 04/09/2004 8:58:01 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Galactic Overlord-In-Chief
I suggest recording all the Gargoyles episodes, because there are quite a few scenes where you are going to want to go back and rewatch them, the one I mentioned is one of them.
34 posted on 04/09/2004 8:59:46 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
I got a chance to catch Gargoyles. I like it! If I was to compare it to Batman: the Animated Series, I'd say I like Gargoyles better. It reminded me of many animated shows of the time like Batman, X-Men, Spider-Man but it manages to have its own flavor, which is quite a remarkable feat. The episodes feel like a part of a whole and they make you want to stick around to find out more. Being a Star Trek fan, it was fun to pick out the Trek voices.

It amazes me that Disney came out with this. But then again the eighties/nineties felt like the golden age of tv animation, with X-Men, Spider-Man, Batman, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Animaniacs, etc. Now it's mostly dubbed anime that's on tv, nothing against that, but American companies don't dominate like they used to. Oh yeah, and now guns must be painted out of cartoons (I heard they deleted a scene from Ducktales involving Scrooge firing a gun). Anyway, thank goodness for reruns and DVD.
35 posted on 04/17/2004 10:33:07 PM PDT by Galactic Overlord-In-Chief (Here's how to solve Christianity vs paganism: have Bibleman vs. Captain Planet in a steel cage match)
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To: Galactic Overlord-In-Chief
I got a chance to catch Gargoyles. I like it! If I was to compare it to Batman: the Animated Series, I'd say I like Gargoyles better. It reminded me of many animated shows of the time like Batman, X-Men, Spider-Man but it manages to have its own flavor, which is quite a remarkable feat. The episodes feel like a part of a whole and they make you want to stick around to find out more. Being a Star Trek fan, it was fun to pick out the Trek voices.

I am glad you feel this way. Gargoyles is considered by most to be the best animated series Disney ever produced. I also like that fact that they never get preachy when they have a meessage to say.

And don't forget to catch the episodes that come on today at 11:00 AM to Noon Eastern on ABC Family.

If you want a more in depth discussion of the epiosdes to Gargoyles good here: http://forums.toonzone.net/forumdisplay.php?f=107

And finally, what would your opinion on the ending of the episode 'The Mirror' that was on yesterday?

36 posted on 04/18/2004 7:19:49 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup (The Motto: 'Live and let live' is a suicidal belief...)
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